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[Brinsley]

Does the Orams case ruling have ramifications on the legitimacy of ownership of Larnaca Airport constructed on Turkish owned land post 1974? A can of worms and Pandora's box is about to explode! Let's not forget the whole Island was Ottoman until it was leased to the British late 19thC. As G. Bush 1 failed to finish the job in 1991 so did the Turks in 1974!

[Get Real!]

Does the Orams case ruling have ramifications on the legitimacy of ownership of Larnaca Airport constructed on Turkish owned land post 1974?

Do you know what percentage of the airport is built on TC land? A tiny little abandoned corner at one end!

A can of worms and Pandora's box is about to explode!

No cans and no worms I'm afarid... it's all in your head.

Let's not forget the whole Island was Ottoman until it was leased to the British late 19thC. As G. Bush 1 failed to finish the job in 1991 so did the Turks in 1974!

Incorrect. See the 1923 Treaty of Laussagne...

Forget the Cyprus44 bollocks where even you look good because this is the CF!

[polis]

Does the Orams case ruling have ramifications on the legitimacy of ownership of Larnaca Airport constructed on Turkish owned land post 1974? A can of worms and Pandora's box is about to explode! Let's not forget the whole Island was Ottoman until it was leased to the British late 19thC. As G. Bush 1 failed to finish the job in 1991 so did the Turks in 1974!

Talking of worms, which can did you crawl out from?

[Oracle]

Does the Orams case ruling have ramifications on the legitimacy of ownership of Larnaca Airport constructed on Turkish owned land post 1974? A can of worms and Pandora's box is about to explode! Let's not forget the whole Island was Ottoman until it was leased to the British late 19thC. As G. Bush 1 failed to finish the job in 1991 so did the Turks in 1974!

I hope it's not too painful ...

[Brinsley]

Your History books must be different to mine!

[Viewpoint]

GC insults so predictable, when they have nothing to say or any concrete arguements they resort to insults which is pretty much most of the time.

[Oracle]

Your History books must be different to mine!

Hehehe ... you have Turkish ones huh?

Not worth the paper they are written on, matey!

[polis]

Your History books must be different to mine!

Yeah, your's have lots of colourful illustrations and short sentences with big letters.

[Get Real!]

Your History books must be different to mine!

Just toss em. Luckily for you I've done all the research you'll ever need...

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle06.htm

[Piratis]

Can you tell me which are the countries that choose Option 3? I really want to see how many and who they are exactly.

Go do your own research.

Are you afraid you will get it wrong?

No court ever convicted RoC of any illegalities.

The Consitutional Court of the RoC found against the GC leadership on the issue of municiplaites. Makarios refused to abide by its rulings.

You may consider such a refusal of the President of a state to abide by the rulings of his own states consitutional court rulings as 100% legal but no sane person would make such a claim.

As polis clarified you are again lying and the court found against both GCs and TCs.

The court is functioning perfectly until today,

The court may be functioning perfectly until today for YOU. The problem is that the consitution should be what defines how such a court should function and not an arbitary unilateral decsion of one community.

Article 133 of the RoC consitution.

1. (1) There shall be a Supreme Constitutional Court of the Republic composed of a Greek, a Turk and a neutral judge. The neutral judge shall be the President of the Court.

Care to give me the names of the TC judge and the neutral judge in your perfectly functioning consitutional court today ?

Who decides about Cyprus are the Cypriot people in a democratic way. Nobody else. Nice trick from the British to put the 82% majority as the 33% minority in the court. Too bad for them and for you that this injustice was soon corrected.

Makarios was ahead of its time. Such segregation laws and other racist discrimination (that were forced on the Cypriot people by the British) could not be accepted today.

If the British had illegaly forced laws on the GC people in CYprus then surely the LEGAL way to deal with that would have been for YOU to goto the ICJ ? Why then did you not do this ?

Instead you drew up the Akritas plan - all 100% legal.

You seem to think that a GC leadership could sign an international binding agreement that the entire world consider legal and valid and then simply unilateraly arbitarily decide that it would not abide by this aspect or that aspect because it deemed them to be 'racist' or 'segregating'. No need for any due process of course. Just decide it yourselves and it is done. And this is the approach you defend as being 100% legal.

Are you on drugs ?

You are the one on drugs.

We had a democratically elected government and it took decisions for Cyprus. If you had a problem with the decisions taken by the government then it is you who should take RoC to the ICJ.

Why would we loose desire to negotiate. Maybe you wanted to say "loose desire to capitulate"?

You may loose the desire to negotiate if you believe, rightly or wrongly, that you now have the means to force us to capitulate. It is not rocket science.

And you think this can happen from this ruling? Of course if we had the power to enforce law and order we wouldn't negotiate with those who are keeping our land as hostage and are trying to blackmail us and force us to make concessions. But this ruling doesn't change things by that much. We will still negotiate, just the situation will now be more balanced.

As far as your "communal rights" go, they were unfair privileges granted to you on our expense by the foreign Imperialists, given to you as a reward for helping them to oppress the Cypriot revolution.

Viva Piratis Guevara ! Death to the imperialsit pigs and their heathen agents !

Most definitely. Do you support Imperialists and their crimes? I don't.

So in just what court was it decided that the rights granted to the TC community under the 1960 agreements were unfair such that they could be ignored and ammended unilateraly by GC ?

We didn't need any court because you abandoned your positions because you wanted even more. Blame your greed, not us.

Oh I forgot, for you to be able to 100% legaly declare legal rights defined in your own consitution that you agreed and signed up to as invalid, all you need to do is say they are and it is done. No need for any due process for you.

It is the constitution of our own country, if we want to make changes we can, like any other country. Not our fault that you choose to be absent and pursue partition instead.

If the international community accepted such thing,

The international community let you get away with your illgailites and effectviely rewarded you for them with recognition because it was at that time expident to their own self interest to do so.

On the contrary the internationally community let you and the British get away with illegalities and forcing on us what you wanted. Later they accepted the reforms nessary to correct some of this. Why not?

then why not also accept reforms made democratically by the Cypriot people,

That you can portray illegal unilateral removal and ammendments of valid legal TC communal rights under the consitution by GC as 'democraticaly made reforms' pretty much sums up why it is pointless discussing such things with you.

You still had more than what you give to our Greek minority in Turkey. So what are you complaining about? You should be grateful.

From what I know you rejected the Annan plan because you wanted something even better for your side.

As ever Piratis the problem is that what you know is totaly divorced from objective reality. Whilst it is true that I personally voted no to the Annan plan and have stated so openly and honestly in the past along with my own personal reasons for doing so, it is not true that my reasons for doing so at that time were 'because I wanted something better for my side'. But of course you must know why I voted as I did better than me, for I am only me and you are Piratis Guevara ! Viva Piratis Gievara !

You have no honesty, so your excuses don't count. What count are the facts.

By the way, have you or your close family been given GC land?

So I am sorry, but I do not believe you when you say that you wouldn't mind more balance in the negotiations.

As is your pergoative. Unfortunately I do beleive you when you say that I am an invader in my own homeland and that I should let you decide not just your own future but my as well without any say or inteferance or just piss off.

You can have as much say as I do. But you want more. And that is what I do not accept. I am not your Ottoman subject.

Anyway I would like to say it has been fun or informative or interesting having this discussion with you, but if I did so I really would be a lier. It has been as pointless and tedious and depressing as ever and thats enough for me for now.

You didn't come here for fun or information. You were upset because of the ECJ ruling and you came here to let off some steam, threaten us about annexation of north Cyprus by Turkey, and try to gain back some of your trashed ego.