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[polis]

Actually you had a right to be tried and hunged for high treason but were spared. So much for respect of the rule of law in this country.

Would that be with or without any need for due process in a court of law ... [blah blah].

Which part of tried and hunged for having committed a capital crime did you not understand?

[Sotos]

Erolz are you skipping questions? Piratis asked you about the ICJ "And can you show me where it is said that this is a requirement for EU accession?". You didn't answer

[Sotos]

Actually you had a right to be tried and hunged for high treason but were spared. So much for respect of the rule of law in this country.

Would that be with or without any need for due process in a court of law first to find us guilty or would such not be required in the same way Makrios was not required to abide by consitutional court rulings or subject any unilateral changes to the consitution to any form of due process ?

Now sacrasm aside.

In 1964 my uncle went to work in Barclay Bank in famagusta, against the adivce of the TC leadership of the time, that was pursuing the 'secsessionsit' policy of warning TC not to enter such areas. He was not a revolutionary, nor a scessionist but just an ordinary Cypriot trying to make a living and provide for his family. An armed group of GC para military thugs took him away in public and broad daylight and he was never seen again until his body was recover in 200o and something from the bottom of a well in Ayia Napa. Many of these armed GC para military thugs were being run out of and by the then Interior Minister of the RoC.

Now I relate this tale not because I am saying 'look how evil the GC are and how innocent the TC are'. We too had our thugs that were just as evil and willing to kill innocents as and when they saw fit as you did yours. I relate the tale to try and emphasise how ridculous the claim is that the GC never did anything to TC that was not 100% legal.

There was nothing legal about the murder of my uncle, just one of many examples that could be used.

When you start wars there would be casualties. Imagine how peaceful and democratic Cyprus would be if the Turks had never invaded us! The problem in Cyprus is that the turks who are Muslims invaded Cyprus and then they could not get along with the rest of the population. And instead of going back from where they came from and solve the problem they started they instead brought more and more of their kind in Cyprus making the problem even bigger. I wonder why it is so easy for Turks to keep bringing Settlers IN Cyprus and make the problem bigger rather than just take their Settlers OUT of Cyprus and solve the problem they created. Is the ticket coming IN Cyprus more expensive than they one going OUT? Actually I know why. Turkish Expansionism!

[erolz3]

So that gives you a right to condone a revolt against the state,...

No of course it gave us no such rights. It is however a clear example of Makrios ignoring legality with which to refute Piratis' absurd claim that 'GC did nothing that was not 100% legal'.

It also shows how absurd the argument that if TC had issues with the behaviour of GC leadership they should have gone to courts to settle them. They did go to court. Makrios refused to abide by the couts decisions and said that is what he would do before the court had even ruled. This led to the resignation of Professor Ernst Forsthoff, the then and last ever neutral judge of the supreme consitutional court of the RoC.

In an interview Mr Forsthoff gave to UPI on the 30th Dec 1963 he said

"All this [outbreak of communal violence in Cyprus] happened because Makarios wanted to remove all consitutuional rights from the Turkish Cypriots. From the moment Makarios started to openly deprive the Turkish Cypriots of their rights, the present events were inevitable."

Then again what could an internationaly respected neutral professor of law and former judge of the supreme consitutional court of the RoC know about such things compare to Che Pirtatis. Clearly the man was an inperialist lackey of the British dogs, placed in Cyprus by them to spread lies and flasehoods against the noble and long suffering GC people. That Makrios agreed his appointment should in no way imply that he was anything other than this, for we all know that the visionary Makarios, so ahead of his times, could 100% legaly ignore any rulings that the court under this man made at will.

[polis]

Actually you had a right to be tried and hunged for high treason but were spared. So much for respect of the rule of law in this country.

In 1964 my uncle went to work in Barclay Bank in famagusta, ... blah ... blah ... GC para military thugs took him away in public and broad daylight and he was never seen again ... blah ... blah.

Sorry but I think there is no angle left for me to hear of the story of the unfortunate Turkish bank employee who was taken hostage for no reason by a bunch of thugs in Famagusta in broad daylight and then brutally executed, only in response to a similar mindless execution of the unfortunate Greek who probably also has a nephew to resent his fate, who was similarly murdered by a group of Turkish thugs only the day before.

When a country deteriorates into ethnic war, and there is a break down of law and order, shit tends to happens. That does not mean that anyone that belongs to the same ethnic group as a small group of psychopathic criminals who take advantage of the collapse and commit crimes, collectively share the guilt for their actions. Not the same when you try to justify and legitimise those actions, like what you are doing with respect to the crimes committed against the Greek population of Cyprus.

Not least when you try to legitimize these crimes by "legalising" them in the pseudo contitution of your puppet state or if they form part of the official policy of the state (the real one this time) you fully condone and support.

[erolz3]

Erolz are you skipping questions? Piratis asked you about the ICJ "And can you show me where it is said that this is a requirement for EU accession?". You didn't answer

If you read the thread Sotos you will see it was Kifeas that originaly said this was an EU acession requirment, I simply assumed he was right. Sorry for that.

[polis]

So that gives you a right to condone a revolt against the state,...

In an interview Mr Forsthoff gave to UPI on the 30th Dec 1963 he said

"All this [outbreak of communal violence in Cyprus] happened because Makarios wanted to remove all consitutuional rights from the Turkish Cypriots. From the moment Makarios started to openly deprive the Turkish Cypriots of their rights, the present events were inevitable."

Be honest, Erol, which site did you cut and paste this particular quotation from?

[erolz3]

Which part of tried and hunged for having committed a capital crime did you not understand?

The 'tried' part apparently.

[polis]

Which part of tried and hunged for having committed a capital crime did you not understand?

The 'tried' part apparently.

Try opening a dictionary.

[Sotos]

Erolz are you skipping questions? Piratis asked you about the ICJ "And can you show me where it is said that this is a requirement for EU accession?". You didn't answer

If you read the thread Sotos you will see it was Kifeas that originaly said this was an EU acession requirment, I simply assumed he was right. Sorry for that.

Oh ok. So that is how knowledge is gained! You read a forum, you accept what you like, you reject what you don't like and then you know all the truth