erolz3 wrote:Piratis wrote: There is nothing disputed in any property.
Again Piratis you seem to fail to understand how language works. I suspect that this is because for you languauge is not seen by you as a means fo passing meaning and understanding between parties but just a propaganda tool.
Disputed means some group, however large or authorative, says one thing and another group says something different. Using the word disputed says nothing about which group is right or which wrong.
For land in the north to not be accurately described as disputed both TRNC and Turkey would have to accept the same view as everyone else in the world and they do not.
I am talking about a dispute that has some legal ground. Beyond that if you want to talk nonsense then you can dispute anything and everything. That is the easiest thing in the world.
Piratis wrote:There was never any removal of any rights. You showed me one report and I showed you another.
No of course not Piratis because as a non Greek for whom Cyprus is their homeland I never had any rights. Cyprus belongs to Greeks and they are the only ones who can have rights as a group concerning Cyprus, despite small technical details like legal agreements and consitutions.
There are many other non-Greek Cypriots who don't have any complaints. They respect all other Cypriots, and they are respected by all other Cypriots. When you collaborate with foreigners trying to screw every other Cypriot and have privileges over everybody else, then things might not turn out very good for you. Lets not forget that in the 60s you attacked not only GCs but also the Armenians who you ethnically cleansed from their section of Nicosia, and in 1974 you ethnically cleansed every other Cypriot in the north part of Cyprus, not just the GCs, even whole villages of Maronites.
So it is your community who has been agressive and trying to gain on the expense of everybody else. We see all Cypriots, regardless of their ethnic background, as equal citizens. Nothing less and nothing more.
Piratis wrote: and take the 100% of your rights in the RoC.
I am not free to take up my rights within the RoC either as an indivdual or as a community and have not been so since 1965 when as a community we tried to do that and we were told that we could only do son on the condition that we accepted as a fait acompli the unilateral removal and ammendments of most of them by GC. That is the simple truth.
No, it is a simple lie. You can end the illegal occupation, end the illegalities and return to RoC. The only thing that stops you from doing so is the problem that existed since the 50s: You want partition.
Piratis wrote:You do neither of the above, and you instead choose to say lies.
Liar liar pants on fire ! That is how you sound to me Piratis.
That is how you sound to me. I am telling you facts based on rulings of international courts, I challenge you take us to the ICJ in order to prove your accusations, but instead of that all you do is just repeat your same baseless about RoC being illegal and all the usual nonsense that only Turks believe.
Piratis wrote:Nothing illegal was done by us.
Simply deciding to not abide by a consitutional court ruling on a case you lost is not illegal ?
Setting up armed ethnic based paramilitary forces and using them against another community is not illegal ?
Fighting against terrorist secessionists is of course not illegal. All countries would do the same thing like Cyprus. And in most other countries those secessionists fight for independence on territories they are actually the native majority. In your case you were fighting to ethnically cleanse us and have a separate state on land that belongs to us.
Piratis wrote:Of course it is. In fact the Constitution talks about "All persons are equal before the law" and "All religions are equal before the law." Nothing about Communities being equal.
ARTICLE 1
The State of Cyprus is an independent and sovereign Republic with a presidential regime, the President being Greek and the VicePresident being Turk elected by the Greek and the Turkish Communities of Cyprus respectively as hereinafter in this Constitution provided.
No hint of equality between communites there then.
On the contrary, a hint that GCs are higher (President) from the TCs (vice president)
ARTICLE 3
1. The official languages of the Republic are Greek and Turkish.
Or there
Languages are equal, just like religions. But not communities.
1. The Republic shall have its own flag of neutral design and colour, chosen jointly by the President and the VicePresident of the Republic.
Or there
and I could go on and on and on.
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You could go on and on and you would find nothing about "political equality" or "equal communities" or "partnership" or anything like that.
The fact is that the whole basis of the 60's agreements and the subsequent constitution of the RoC is based on an underlying premise of degrees of equality between the two main communites as communites.
Arguments that such was unfair and unbalanced I can understand. Claims that the 60 consitution contains 'nothing about the communites being equal' are the rantings of a lunatic.
You are the lunatic for imagining things that aren't there. The British granted you several unfair privileges with the 1960 constitution, but at no point communities were made equal. It is mentioned religions are equal, and also that people are equal. There is nowhere a mention about communities being equal, and this can only be a friction of your own imagination.
Piratis wrote:I didn't think you would dare to dispute this one.
I could and in the past have disputed that such a statement represents a whole or complete truth. However when you can claim such black and white nonses like there is no equality between the communites enshrined in the consitution and the the GC leadership has never done anything illegal, trying to argue with you about the finer points of partial truths would be a kinda of self flagellation I am not currently into.
You are talking nonsense by imagining things that aren't even there. In the 1960 constidution there is
nowhere any mention about
communities being equal.
As far as illegalities from our part goes, as I told you sue as in an international court and if you win a case we would be happy to comply. and I hope you are willing to do the same.
Piratis wrote:Same for Ottoman colonialism. The reason you are on this island. It was not right either.
Again Piratis you show your true colors. I as a decendant of Ottomans, cultural or genetic, have no right to even be in Cyprus, let alone dare to consider it my homeland as much as it is yourts and as such have no rights to any say about its future.
You have every right like every other Cypriot. As I said, we
forgive you for all that oppression and suffering you inflicted on us for so long time, even if you never said sorry, and on the contrary you continued with yet more crimes against us.
What you have no right to do is to demand for each one within your community more than a vote each. We are not living in the Ottoman era that you could have privilages on our expense.
Piratis wrote:If we go by your theory, all this Greek islands and territories did not have the right to unite together and form the Greek Republic because the former rulers didn't agree for it.
You STILL do not get it do you ?
Forming a GREEK nation in the NAME of a unitary GREEK people is not problematic. Joining the GREEK nation in the NAME of a single unitary CYPRIOT people was and is problematic.
Replace CYPRIOT with RHODIAN (or any other Greek island or territory for that matter) and tell me what is the difference.
Piratis wrote: In fact we wanted to force nothing to you, except from finally accepting our freedom.
Yeah right you did not want to force my nation CYPRUS to not exist as a nation on me, nor did you want to force GREEK nationality on me. You were going to achieve enosis of all of CYprus and all Cypriots without destorying the existance of Cyprus as a nation and without forcing me to be Greek by nationality and not Cypriot. How you were goning to do this you must have failed to explain to me very clearly.
The same way every other Greek island united with Greece. Of course for Turkey instead of having one united Greece it would be much better to split Greeks into several small pieces. Like a Crete country, a Rhodes country, an Athens country, a Thessaloniki country, etc etc. It would make it much easier for you to manipulate us that way isn't it?
Who ever told you that every island and every small territory should be a separate country? If you didn't want to live along with Greeks then you shouldn't have come to a Greek island like Cyprus, Crete, Rhodes etc.
Piratis wrote: We didn't force you to come here.
No but you sure played your part in trying to force us to go away.
Since you didn't want to give us our freedom and self-determination. We have no problem with you staying as equal citizens, but we don't like any Ottoman or other overlords anymore.
Piratis wrote: We never tried to impose anything on you.
This is comical now. I am cypriot, I live in Cyprus yet I am NOT greek. Colonial rule is about to end. You say it must be and will be repalced by Greek rule and that my country will not exist as a nation in the future but merely as a region of Greece and that my nationality will become Greek, even though I am not greek and do not even speak Greek and that I will have no effective say on such matters as a Cypriot who is not Greek.
Yet doing this is not imposing anything on me at all is it ?
You would have as effective saying as any other Greek citizen. As far as "imposing goes" uniting with Greece would be against none of your human rights. Democratically we decided to unite with Greece, and that was our right either you liked it or not. The Greeks of Asia Minor didn't want to be part of a Greek Nation. Did you give them any separate self-determination or anything else?
And why not ? Because you are saying Cyprus does not and will noit exist as a state or people in the name of a unitary Cpriot people, that you say does not and will not exist.
Welcome to the looking glass.
Cyprus can exist in any form that the Cypriot people democratically decide. Not any foreigners, and not any minority of former rulers have the right to overwrite the democratic will of the Cypriot people and force on us what we can and what we can't do with our own island.
Piratis wrote: The TCs were part of Greek people as much as your minority in Rhodes or Thrace is part of Greek people, or as much as the Greeks of Smyrna or Constantinople are part of the Turkish people. No difference at all.
And once more. The difference is in what name you claim to be exersising a right to self determination. You can not in any sensible fashion claim a right to self determination in the name of one single unitary people when the thing you want to 'self determine' is that the unitary single people you are making the claim in the name of does not exist.
Yet this is exactly what GC tried and failed to do and the reason they tried this madness was that it was to them a way of forcing their COMMUNAL will on the TC community with whom they sahred Cyprus as a homeland.
And once more, the
only difference between Cyprus and Rhodes, Crete or any other Greek island or territory, is that the British and Turks attacked us and denied to us our self-determination.
I didn't see you giving to me even
one other difference between Cyprus and Rhodes which also united with Greece in 1947 and also has a Turkish minority in it.
