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[Raymanoff]

Pao na fao TBone Steak sto Prime Steak House... gia

[RichardB]

Pao na fao TBone Steak sto Prime Steak House... gia

Not had a T bone for ages got to make do with fassoulaki me arni tonight
But I will celebrate with a T bone and copious amounts of keo when the first 'dozers move in

[Piratis]

Erolz, if TCs made concessions even compared to the 1960 agreements, then why not agree to return to those agreements, which according to your theory should be better for TCs?

The RoC has never put a return to the 60's agreements on the table since 1965 when they illegaly stole the valid legal and consitutional rights of the TC community, and why should they when they were rewarded by the international community for this illegal theft with recognition as the sole legitimate goverment of all of cyprus ?

Erolz, I would have hoped that by now you would have learned that what is legal and what is illegal is determined by recognized courts and not you.

You are talking as if out of the blue the GCs decided to take away your rights, and you forget that it is you first (in the 50s) who attacked the GCs and collaborated with the British in order to deny to us our rights. So don't pretend to be the Virgin Mary. If you think that RoC did is illegal then why don't you sue RoC? Probably because you know you would lose this case as well?

The Annan Plan is different from the 60's agreements, in some aspects it represents gains for the TC community and in others it represnests loses relative to what they had in the original 60's agreements that were illegaly denied them by GC. Just as it represents the both improvements to the GC community and looses to them relative to the 60's agreements.

The fact is that TCs only gave back part of what they illegally took 1974. They made no concession from what their rights according to the 1960 agreements are. Compared to the 1960 agreements they got more land, more power, and more separation, and got less of nothing.

This is just simply not true Piratis and I have learnt in the past the futility of having such discussion with you.

The most glaring and serious way in which the Annan Plan differs from the original 60's agreements and that represents a major loss and concession to the TC community is that the Annan Plan defines community membership not through ethnicity but through component state citizenship, in turn based on geographical location of residence. Under the Annan Plan after the staged protections on the ethnical make up of component state citizenship expired there were no guarantees or protections to ensure that TC did not end up as a numercial minority in both Cypriot component states and thus loose all of the political equality granted to them in the Plan originaly. This is so totaly different from the 60's agreements that, in paper theory at least, protected the TC communities equal status as a founding member community of the republic in perpetutity.

What you present as a "compromise" is in fact a demand from your side, which is demanding political equality between component states, as opposed to political equality among communities.

Also, GCs are legally the majority in all parts of Cyprus. Having a guaranteed majority in some part of Cyprus was never your right. So where is the compromise?

So after being pressed for so much time to tell us some compromise that you made this is all you could come up with? Something which is not even a compromise?

Today enosis is totally out of the question. You won that.

Are you saying that in reality you still today want enosis but are stopped from having it because the historic actions of TC and Turkey and the international community ?

What 'we won' was to ensure that Cyprus EXISTED as a nation and a state and not as a hinterland of Greece. That Cypriots decide what happens in and too CYpriots and not Greeks and Athens. And you consider this a 'loss' for you and a 'win' for us ?

Really Piratis I mean no disrepect but experience has tought me that there is nothing to be gained in such discussion with you on such matters, for either of us and much of my time and energy to be lost.

Cypriots had already decided what should happen to Cyprus, and that was union with Greece.

The UN resolution 1541 defines "integration into an independent State" as one of the " three legitimate options of full self-government."

http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

So don't tell me that you wanted Cypriots to decide about Cyprus. You wanted yourselves and foreigners to decide about Cyprus, by disregarding the will of the majority of the Cypriot people.

The Cypriot people had clearly decided that they prefer to be part of Greece, rather than be a banana republic of the British and the Turks.

When we united with EU it was a similar case. If the Cypriot people decided that they wanted to join the EU, do you think you or Turkey would have the right to deny this right of the Cypriot people by using the excuse that the decisions in Cyprus should all be taken by Cypriots and not in Brussels? You were in fact denying to us our choice to decide what happens to our island and then with the British giving to you veto rights you trying to ensure that the Cypriot people would never be able to democratically decide anything.

So don't tell me you wanted "Cypriots to decide what happens in Cyprus" when in fact you made everything possible to deny this right from Cypriots.

Even today, you want to ignore the will of the 80%+ of the native population of north Cyprus, and you threaten us that either we should gift that part to you, or otherwise you would prefer Turkey to annex this part, rather than having it returned to its rightful owners. And then you tell us that you want Cypriots to take decisions for Cyprus??

[TCTRNC]

You GCs are NOT the rightful owners of Cyprus and never have been. You are thieves and greedy. You've stolen land from the TCs and you want back what you've stolen. YOU WON'T GET IT BACK.

Erolz, if TCs made concessions even compared to the 1960 agreements, then why not agree to return to those agreements, which according to your theory should be better for TCs?

The RoC has never put a return to the 60's agreements on the table since 1965 when they illegaly stole the valid legal and consitutional rights of the TC community, and why should they when they were rewarded by the international community for this illegal theft with recognition as the sole legitimate goverment of all of cyprus ?

Erolz, I would have hoped that by now you would have learned that what is legal and what is illegal is determined by recognized courts and not you.

You are talking as if out of the blue the GCs decided to take away your rights, and you forget that it is you first (in the 50s) who attacked the GCs and collaborated with the British in order to deny to us our rights. So don't pretend to be the Virgin Mary. If you think that RoC did is illegal then why don't you sue RoC? Probably because you know you would lose this case as well?

The Annan Plan is different from the 60's agreements, in some aspects it represents gains for the TC community and in others it represnests loses relative to what they had in the original 60's agreements that were illegaly denied them by GC. Just as it represents the both improvements to the GC community and looses to them relative to the 60's agreements.

The fact is that TCs only gave back part of what they illegally took 1974. They made no concession from what their rights according to the 1960 agreements are. Compared to the 1960 agreements they got more land, more power, and more separation, and got less of nothing.

This is just simply not true Piratis and I have learnt in the past the futility of having such discussion with you.

The most glaring and serious way in which the Annan Plan differs from the original 60's agreements and that represents a major loss and concession to the TC community is that the Annan Plan defines community membership not through ethnicity but through component state citizenship, in turn based on geographical location of residence. Under the Annan Plan after the staged protections on the ethnical make up of component state citizenship expired there were no guarantees or protections to ensure that TC did not end up as a numercial minority in both Cypriot component states and thus loose all of the political equality granted to them in the Plan originaly. This is so totaly different from the 60's agreements that, in paper theory at least, protected the TC communities equal status as a founding member community of the republic in perpetutity.

What you present as a "compromise" is in fact a demand from your side, which is demanding political equality between component states, as opposed to political equality among communities.

Also, GCs are legally the majority in all parts of Cyprus. Having a guaranteed majority in some part of Cyprus was never your right. So where is the compromise?

So after being pressed for so much time to tell us some compromise that you made this is all you could come up with? Something which is not even a compromise?

Today enosis is totally out of the question. You won that.

Are you saying that in reality you still today want enosis but are stopped from having it because the historic actions of TC and Turkey and the international community ?

What 'we won' was to ensure that Cyprus EXISTED as a nation and a state and not as a hinterland of Greece. That Cypriots decide what happens in and too CYpriots and not Greeks and Athens. And you consider this a 'loss' for you and a 'win' for us ?

Really Piratis I mean no disrepect but experience has tought me that there is nothing to be gained in such discussion with you on such matters, for either of us and much of my time and energy to be lost.

Cypriots had already decided what should happen to Cyprus, and that was union with Greece.

The UN resolution 1541 defines "integration into an independent State" as one of the " three legitimate options of full self-government."

http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

So don't tell me that you wanted Cypriots to decide about Cyprus. You wanted yourselves and foreigners to decide about Cyprus, by disregarding the will of the majority of the Cypriot people.

The Cypriot people had clearly decided that they prefer to be part of Greece, rather than be a banana republic of the British and the Turks.

When we united with EU it was a similar case. If the Cypriot people decided that they wanted to join the EU, do you think you or Turkey would have the right to deny this right of the Cypriot people by using the excuse that the decisions in Cyprus should all be taken by Cypriots and not in Brussels? You were in fact denying to us our choice to decide what happens to our island and then with the British giving to you veto rights you trying to ensure that the Cypriot people would never be able to democratically decide anything.

So don't tell me you wanted "Cypriots to decide what happens in Cyprus" when in fact you made everything possible to deny this right from Cypriots.

Even today, you want to ignore the will of the 80%+ of the native population of north Cyprus, and you threaten us that either we should gift that part to you, or otherwise you would prefer Turkey to annex this part, rather than having it returned to its rightful owners. And then you tell us that you want Cypriots to take decisions for Cyprus??

[Get Real!]

You GCs are NOT the rightful owners of Cyprus and never have been. You are thieves and greedy. You've stolen land from the TCs and you want back what you've stolen. YOU WON'T GET IT BACK.

Based on what... your rear end?

[miltiades]

You GCs are NOT the rightful owners of Cyprus and never have been. You are thieves and greedy. You've stolen land from the TCs and you want back what you've stolen. YOU WON'T GET IT BACK.

Erolz, if TCs made concessions even compared to the 1960 agreements, then why not agree to return to those agreements, which according to your theory should be better for TCs?

The RoC has never put a return to the 60's agreements on the table since 1965 when they illegaly stole the valid legal and consitutional rights of the TC community, and why should they when they were rewarded by the international community for this illegal theft with recognition as the sole legitimate goverment of all of cyprus ?

Erolz, I would have hoped that by now you would have learned that what is legal and what is illegal is determined by recognized courts and not you.

You are talking as if out of the blue the GCs decided to take away your rights, and you forget that it is you first (in the 50s) who attacked the GCs and collaborated with the British in order to deny to us our rights. So don't pretend to be the Virgin Mary. If you think that RoC did is illegal then why don't you sue RoC? Probably because you know you would lose this case as well?

The Annan Plan is different from the 60's agreements, in some aspects it represents gains for the TC community and in others it represnests loses relative to what they had in the original 60's agreements that were illegaly denied them by GC. Just as it represents the both improvements to the GC community and looses to them relative to the 60's agreements.

The fact is that TCs only gave back part of what they illegally took 1974. They made no concession from what their rights according to the 1960 agreements are. Compared to the 1960 agreements they got more land, more power, and more separation, and got less of nothing.

This is just simply not true Piratis and I have learnt in the past the futility of having such discussion with you.

The most glaring and serious way in which the Annan Plan differs from the original 60's agreements and that represents a major loss and concession to the TC community is that the Annan Plan defines community membership not through ethnicity but through component state citizenship, in turn based on geographical location of residence. Under the Annan Plan after the staged protections on the ethnical make up of component state citizenship expired there were no guarantees or protections to ensure that TC did not end up as a numercial minority in both Cypriot component states and thus loose all of the political equality granted to them in the Plan originaly. This is so totaly different from the 60's agreements that, in paper theory at least, protected the TC communities equal status as a founding member community of the republic in perpetutity.

What you present as a "compromise" is in fact a demand from your side, which is demanding political equality between component states, as opposed to political equality among communities.

Also, GCs are legally the majority in all parts of Cyprus. Having a guaranteed majority in some part of Cyprus was never your right. So where is the compromise?

So after being pressed for so much time to tell us some compromise that you made this is all you could come up with? Something which is not even a compromise?

Today enosis is totally out of the question. You won that.

Are you saying that in reality you still today want enosis but are stopped from having it because the historic actions of TC and Turkey and the international community ?

What 'we won' was to ensure that Cyprus EXISTED as a nation and a state and not as a hinterland of Greece. That Cypriots decide what happens in and too CYpriots and not Greeks and Athens. And you consider this a 'loss' for you and a 'win' for us ?

Really Piratis I mean no disrepect but experience has tought me that there is nothing to be gained in such discussion with you on such matters, for either of us and much of my time and energy to be lost.

Cypriots had already decided what should happen to Cyprus, and that was union with Greece.

The UN resolution 1541 defines "integration into an independent State" as one of the " three legitimate options of full self-government."

http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

So don't tell me that you wanted Cypriots to decide about Cyprus. You wanted yourselves and foreigners to decide about Cyprus, by disregarding the will of the majority of the Cypriot people.

The Cypriot people had clearly decided that they prefer to be part of Greece, rather than be a banana republic of the British and the Turks.

When we united with EU it was a similar case. If the Cypriot people decided that they wanted to join the EU, do you think you or Turkey would have the right to deny this right of the Cypriot people by using the excuse that the decisions in Cyprus should all be taken by Cypriots and not in Brussels? You were in fact denying to us our choice to decide what happens to our island and then with the British giving to you veto rights you trying to ensure that the Cypriot people would never be able to democratically decide anything.

So don't tell me you wanted "Cypriots to decide what happens in Cyprus" when in fact you made everything possible to deny this right from Cypriots.

Even today, you want to ignore the will of the 80%+ of the native population of north Cyprus, and you threaten us that either we should gift that part to you, or otherwise you would prefer Turkey to annex this part, rather than having it returned to its rightful owners. And then you tell us that you want Cypriots to take decisions for Cyprus??

Another Plonker joins the forum. Stupidity is the cheapest and most abundant commodity along with vulgarity , this foreign Plonker possesses both !!

[TCTRNC]

GCs want back land that they stole from TCs THIS IS WHY YOU WILL NEVER GET YOUR STOLEN LAND BACK because you're thieves and you want to steal MORE.

[Piratis]

You GCs are NOT the rightful owners of Cyprus and never have been. You are thieves and greedy. You've stolen land from the TCs and you want back what you've stolen. YOU WON'T GET IT BACK.

You didn't yet learn that by saying lies doesn't get you anywhere? We have been in Cyprus 1000s of years before you invaded us. And now you tell me that we got our land in our island from you?

With your lies maybe you were able to convince some ignorant scumbags and get them to pay you money for properties that do not belong to you.

But you can not convince anybody serious, the ECJ for example.

[miltiades]

You will get NOTHING from the TRNC/North Cyprus. NEVER. Not a cm of land. LOL. You lost it in a war that had to be fought to save Turkish Cypriots from mudering Greeks and Greek Cypriots. That's where your greed gets you NOWHERE on North Cyprus. You will NEVER have all of Cyprus. This ruling is giving you all false hope and short lived euphoria. Dibodez, ellah nah to all of you, that's what you'll get. LOL.

My friend.

AA. If you are a T/c:

1.You was always a slave of someone.
2.You have never feld the feeling of freedom and you have never understand what freedom is
3.You was and you still are with the big Turkish complex against the Greeks.
4.G/cs leadesrship is not our best-we have much better solution to protect our intererests-coming soon!!!
5.You,if you are T/c- more bastard race than NEO CYPRIOTS in Greek side of the Island.
6.History is not created in 50-100 years but in centuries- now we have more serious target to fight with than You and occupation forces- We must fight the Neo Cypriots (Greek side) propaganta and stupiness!

7.Reverting

Listen you stupid idiot , the RoC is fighting a difficult political battle 24/7 telling the world that it , the RoC represents all citizens of the island of Cyprus , ilithei malakes opos esena anti na skefthonte KLANOUN. AI GAMISOU MALAKA . Greek Republic of Cyprus ? Arhidia xidata malaka.

[miltiades]

GCs want back land that they stole from TCs THIS IS WHY YOU WILL NEVER GET YOUR STOLEN LAND BACK because you're thieves and you want to steal MORE.

Your bland stupidity is beyond compare ! Foreigner , take your arse back to Anatolia cause you ain't a T/C mate you are too bloody stupid to be one .
T/Cs take note , this settler is what the problem is all about , narrow minded and plain stupid !!