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[erolz3]

Kikapu I hear what you are saying and find much agreement with you on much of it. I do hope that you are right that this ruling ends up leading to a fair settlement that both sides can accept. However I still remain really scared that it will not.

I fear that it will, in terms of your anaolgy, lead to hopes imaginary or real amongst GC that they are now "indestructible Supermen" (and superwomen) and lead them to reject solutions based even on bbf. I mean why even accept bbf if you beleive you can crush the TRNC if TC dont agree to being a simple ethnic minority within a GC run RoC ?

[EPSILON]

Kikapu I hear what you are saying and find much agreement with you on much of it. I do hope that you are right that this ruling ends up leading to a fair settlement that both sides can accept. However I still remain really scared that it will not.

I fear that it will, in terms of your anaolgy, lead to hopes imaginary or real amongst GC that they are now "indestructible Supermen" (and superwomen) and lead them to reject solutions based even on bbf. I mean why even accept bbf if you beleive you can crush the TRNC if TC dont agree to being a simple ethnic minority within a GC run RoC ?

My Dear

the difficulty for G/cs to come to an agreement for a solution is simple and clear. They are Greeks!!!!they can never sign an agreement of "surrender" to the winner of a war.They never-as Nation- did this and will never do it.!!If you come with a solution stating clearly their superiority - providing clearly your "trully appologises for your prevail because of 1974 war win -you will maybe have an agreement with G/cs till before the end of your nation existance!!!

[TCTRNC]

You will get NOTHING from the TRNC/North Cyprus. NEVER. Not a cm of land. LOL. You lost it in a war that had to be fought to save Turkish Cypriots from mudering Greeks and Greek Cypriots. That's where your greed gets you NOWHERE on North Cyprus. You will NEVER have all of Cyprus. This ruling is giving you all false hope and short lived euphoria. Dibodez, ellah nah to all of you, that's what you'll get. LOL.

[miltiades]

Kikapu I hear what you are saying and find much agreement with you on much of it. I do hope that you are right that this ruling ends up leading to a fair settlement that both sides can accept. However I still remain really scared that it will not.

I fear that it will, in terms of your anaolgy, lead to hopes imaginary or real amongst GC that they are now "indestructible Supermen" (and superwomen) and lead them to reject solutions based even on bbf. I mean why even accept bbf if you beleive you can crush the TRNC if TC dont agree to being a simple ethnic minority within a GC run RoC ?

My Dear

the difficulty for G/cs to come to an agreement for a solution is simple and clear. They are Greeks!!!!they can never sign an agreement of "surrender" to the winner of a war.They never-as Nation- did this and will never do it.!!If you come with a solution stating clearly their superiority - providing clearly your "trully appologises for your prevail because of 1974 war win -you will maybe have an agreement with G/cs till before the end of your nation existance!!!

Never surrender do they ? 400 bloody years under the Ottomans !!
We shall reach an amicable agreement when we as G/Cs , not Greeks , and they as T/Cs , not Turks , realize that this island belongs equally to all Cypriots and that the RoC is not the Greek Republic of Cyprus any more that the Northern part of Cyprus is the Turkish Republic of Cyprus.
When we all begin to treat the Cyprob problem as primarily a Cypriot problem then perhaps we can see a solution .

[Kikapu]

Kikapu I hear what you are saying and find much agreement with you on much of it. I do hope that you are right that this ruling ends up leading to a fair settlement that both sides can accept. However I still remain really scared that it will not.

I fear that it will, in terms of your anaolgy, lead to hopes imaginary or real amongst GC that they are now "indestructible Supermen" (and superwomen) and lead them to reject solutions based even on bbf. I mean why even accept bbf if you beleive you can crush the TRNC if TC dont agree to being a simple ethnic minority within a GC run RoC ?

And I hear you, Erolz, regarding the "indestructible Superman" analogy, and if "BBF" was not agreed on already both by the TC's and the GC's supported by the UN and Cyprus was not in the EU, then I would have concerns also. But things can only get worse for the TC's if the present status continues regardless, then your fears may become a reality when TC's are left sitting "naked" without many options left for them at a "stripped poker" table with the GC's. Then after years of disappointments from the GC side, then there may come a time of "take no prisoners" attitude. I do not believe we are there yet and there is still time to move the Cyprus problem into the right direction for the benefit of all Cypriots.!

[Raymanoff]

Cypriots tze Cypriots... oi apparo. Eminan mono i Pushtoturchi... akuo ta idia skata kathe mera. Sto dialo na pane trellogamimeni kinonia...

[The Cypriot]

the difficulty for G/cs to come to an agreement for a solution is simple and clear. They are Greeks!!!!they can never sign an agreement of "surrender" to the winner of a war.They never-as Nation- did this and will never do it.!!

What happened in 146 BC then? Or 21 April 1941?

[Oracle]

This is not a double standard but how all nationals are treated. Entitlement to benefits and protection is restricted to members including seeking justice for them even if the crimes are conducted by outsiders.

It is fair that the EU should protect its citizens, first and foremost, since they pay into the organisation. If any EU citizens are compromised by the actions of non-EU residents (who rightfully have no claim to benefits), the EU Laws should still be able to charge non-EU citizens with these infringements upon its citizens ... although it may not be able to recover losses other than by any ownership of assets within the EU.

I really have no idea what you are waffling on about here Oracle. Sorry.

I was diplomatically suggesting you do not appear to know the difference between right and wrong

I am an EU citizen, by both my UK nationality and my Cypriot nationality (I have both). I choose to currently live in Cyprus, a km away from the village my father grew up in. The EU tells me that EU law is suspended in the areas in which I live and thus I do not have any of the benfits of EU law as an indivdual. So far no problem. however when it also tells me that whilst as an EU citizen living in the North I have none of the benfits ...

Whilst in the "trnc" you are not privy to EU benefits, same as if you spent time in, say, Turkey. EU benefits have not "arrived" there because both places do not fulfill the criteria, by virtue of occupation or backwardness, respectively.

However, as you say you are still an EU citizen, because of your UK residency. So, if you also owned a home in Turkey and resided there, why should the EU supply you with any benefits, such as improved roads in Turkey? Not all benefits are transportable in such a way, but some remain with you as an individual as you travel/exist around the world, and all fully realised once you are back under the EU banner.

and then ALSO tells me that I am subject to any negative impacts of EU law regarding my choice to live in the North, then that to me is inherently unfair.

The ECJ ruling was not about your choice to live in the "trnc" ... just as you would not be penalised for your choice to live also either in Turkey.

The ruling was about crimes being committed to other EU nationals by EU nationals and encompassing immovable properties which are on EU soil (only the administration is not imposed, but soil/land/immovable properties are on EU soil therefore subject to protection by EU Laws).

If I am subject to the negative aspects of EU law I should be subject to the positive as well.

Justice and restitution are not usually looked on as "negative" aspects, Erolz, and now I am seriously doubting your capability to distinguish between right and wrong!

If they have no means to make me subject to the positive aspects they should not make me subject to the negative ones.

Again, the fact you are an EU citizen does not mean benefits can follow you around wherever you decide to live in the world, if those benefits would affect the infrastructure of that second country.

Anyway, if you commit a crime, punishment for that crime is not a negative aspect, but positive, as it restores fairness for all.

At least as far as I am concerned, but I understand that for you fairness and justice are not your real objectives in and of themselves but just buzz words to be used to push your communites agendas when possible and to be ignored when not.

So how have your above demands for EU benefits, as payment /positive inducements, being given to you before you would consider not being above facing justice for violations of Human Rights Laws, show you as an objective follower of fairness and justice?

[Mr. T]

Well done to Mr Apostolides, a national hero in the Liberation Struggle, if he'll allow me to say so.


Mr Apostolides, if they've got rid of their GB assets.....

GO FOR THEIR STATE AND PRIVATE PENSIONS mate.

IMPOSSIBLE

[EPSILON]

the difficulty for G/cs to come to an agreement for a solution is simple and clear. They are Greeks!!!!they can never sign an agreement of "surrender" to the winner of a war.They never-as Nation- did this and will never do it.!!

What happened in 146 BC then? Or 21 April 1941?

What these days are? the days when Neo Cypriots and "Cyprus Ethnicity start to be created" There is not a signature of surrentr- even after 400years there is always a Kolokotronis!!!1