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[Z4]

Look out eBay!

[AWE]

Well you can all laugh at us getting properties at whatever prices we paid but has it ever occured to you that the houses in the sout.h are built the same way as up here in the North. Conclusion you lot were really ripped of!!
Now I am being as bad as you lot, don't any of you want peace and tranquility on this island? We have a beautiful island why can't we all live in peace have we learned nothing from wars!

Nothing has changed. They are not about to knock houses down. Hang on to your properties, it will all be sorted in the final agreement and if there isn't one, then there is no problem.

Does any one know what the judgement is about persuing the orams for their property in England?

I predict that the property issue - which is an individual right under civil law - will over the next couple of decades become decoupled from efforts to find a political settlement - the latter seemingly impossible.

I'm not sure about this, Tim Drayton. I agree with your premiss but not sure that I understand your conclusion. Are you suggesting that independent of any political settlement civil cases will continue to be pursued over the next couple of decades ? Or are you suggesting that a political settlement will render civil cases unnecessary (because the political settlement will address and resolve all property issues) ?

In general no one should be really surprised by this ECJ judgment. It simply confirms the logic of integration of European union law. Once the RoC was confirmed as new-accession state any lawyer worth their salt should have advised against anybody thinking of buying a Greek Cypriot property in the north. It was simply a question of time before this door was going to be closed. People like Apostolides should be commended for having the determination to push the case all the way through. (This is how law develops; it has to be challenged, tested and clarified).

As a matter of detail, the wording of this thread's news headline is somewhat misleading. Whilst it is true that the original Cyprus court ordered the demolition of the Oram's Lapithos house, and that the ECJ's final judgment confirms the enforceability of the Cyprus court decision in the UK, there is a basic practical problem to enforce the demolition of a house in one country by the powers of another country. Securing compensation from the Orams - basically monetary compensation - via UK enforcement will be the Orams' immediate headache (and doubtless the thousands of others in the UK and EU who have similar kinds of properties/judgments held against them). But how - practically - does a UK court enforce the demolition of a house in northern Cyprus ? In this case the UK's power is no greater than that of the RoC because northern Cyprus, remains under effective administration of Turkey. In short, the Orams could quite easily refuse to demolish the Lapithos house and, until there is a political settlement of the whole Cyprus question (wherein northern Cyprus also be subject to the acquis as an EU territory), that bit of the judgment would remain practically unenforceable.

But how - practically - does a UK court enforce the demolition of a house in northern Cyprus ?

In reality, the UK courts cannot enforce the demolishing of a house in the "trnc", however, if the Orams do not demolish their house in the "trnc" as demanded by the courts, would they then not be in contempt of court for not going through with the courts order, which may then be fined x amounts of ££££'s plus possibly jail term for ignoring repeated court orders.?

if it is illegal for the Os to knock down the trnc house then few if any courts will order them to do so - can you see a court in jurisdiction A ordering someone to take an action in jurisdiction B that is illegal in B? even if B is not recognised.

Also if the Os have few UK/EU assets these can be taken and effectively the court case is over - think a few thousand GBPs in a bank account for house in trnc!

[bill cobbett]

I see that nurse from up north has vanished?

Not vanished yet! Was on this forum for 1st time today only to be involved in a personal slagging match with DT who seems to know who I am . Smart ass WRONG. Obviously more than one nurse in TRNC unfortunate that I chose same name.

Don't worry about them. You met the Eoka-crap members. Their bark is worst then their bite. They are a bit like a adder with its fangs removed.

She needs to worry about us when we come with a JCB to knock her house down

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Re Z4, Brother in Christ, dump those shagmobiles of yours and get one of these .........




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[Viewpoint]

you see Viewpoint, this is democracy... CF = freedom of speech

Which I support just to read why we should never trust GCs or unite with out plenty of safeguards and guarantees.

[Viewpoint]

One thing is for certain .Apart from the implications and repercussions that this Judgement of the Court of Justice will undoubtedly have on the Orams as well as on all other Brits and foreigners who have already purchased dubious property in the occupied part of Cyprus , it will also spell the END of any further "investment" in property by the Brits and other EU citizens . It will be interesting to see whether the Russians along with the Israelis will continue their "property" investment in occupied Cyprus.
This judgement has put PAID on further construction and sales of property in occupied Cyprus .

Do you know that some of these Israelis are in business with secret GC partners?

[Z4]

I see that nurse from up north has vanished?

Not vanished yet! Was on this forum for 1st time today only to be involved in a personal slagging match with DT who seems to know who I am . Smart ass WRONG. Obviously more than one nurse in TRNC unfortunate that I chose same name.

Don't worry about them. You met the Eoka-crap members. Their bark is worst then their bite. They are a bit like a adder with its fangs removed.

She needs to worry about us when we come with a JCB to knock her house down

Oh Happy day....Happy day....Oh Happy Day....when Jesus Walked....when Jesus Walked ....Oh happy Day

Re Z4, Brother in Christ, dump those shagmobiles of yours and get one of these .........




Oh Happy Day....Oh Happy day............

I wonder how long it would take to knock the Orams house down?...........oh well we'll soon find out!!!!

Not trading in my tarts car for the Cat, a JCB maybe

[YFred]

My big problem with the whole issue is this : How the hell can a court in Europe make a ruling on a country that does not exist to any other country other than Turkey! We live with embargoes and more fool us we cross into the south shopping spend a lot of money no longer for me . I AM HAPPY TO BE A TURK. LONG LIVE THE TRNC.

Notice it did not say go and knock it down. But this isn't over yet. It will be years before this is settled. But I agree with you, I will not visit the south any more until there is peace. I've been boycotting it since Papadobillos said that he was strangling the TCs with love.

[humanist]

This rulling of Justice makes my heart sing with delight ................... about bloddy time justice played out right. I would have felt something for the couple but their apathy towards the Refugee family who lost thier land to Turks was so blatant by these two British morons that I have no empathy for them at all.

Here's to Justice for Cyprus ........... Turkish Army Out of CYPRUS Now.

[bill cobbett]

One thing is for certain .Apart from the implications and repercussions that this Judgement of the Court of Justice will undoubtedly have on the Orams as well as on all other Brits and foreigners who have already purchased dubious property in the occupied part of Cyprus , it will also spell the END of any further "investment" in property by the Brits and other EU citizens . It will be interesting to see whether the Russians along with the Israelis will continue their "property" investment in occupied Cyprus.
This judgement has put PAID on further construction and sales of property in occupied Cyprus .

Do you know that some of these Israelis are in business with secret GC partners?

So secret, there non-existent!

Vp, ela na horepsoumen re. ........Oh happy day....Oh Happy day.......

[YFred]

This rulling of Justice makes my heart sing with delight ................... about bloddy time justice played out right. I would have felt something for the couple but their apathy towards the Refugee family who lost thier land to Turks was so blatant by these two British morons that I have no empathy for them at all.

Here's to Justice for Cyprus ........... Turkish Army Out of CYPRUS Now.

What about the land that is in the south belonging to the TC that sold the land. Me smells double dipping here.
Take the Turkish Army to the court too. May be you can take some of their land in England too. Damn, they have no land in UK. Never mind. Better luck next time. Attack the english not the TCs