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[Z4]

the truth hurts so much they just locked me out of 44 as well,lol.
so much for freedom of speach!

I got banned after I made 4 or 5 comments - all of them were clean and based on facts....

Well there's your problem! Facts are illegal in the land of make-believe...

[miltiades]

One thing is for certain .Apart from the implications and repercussions that this Judgement of the Court of Justice will undoubtedly have on the Orams as well as on all other Brits and foreigners who have already purchased dubious property in the occupied part of Cyprus , it will also spell the END of any further "investment" in property by the Brits and other EU citizens . It will be interesting to see whether the Russians along with the Israelis will continue their "property" investment in occupied Cyprus.
This judgement has put PAID on further construction and sales of property in occupied Cyprus .

[miltiades]

ECJ only interprets EU law, it does not order anything. UK court cannot interpret otherwise but enforcement is not automatic as I explained above. I am sorry if you have a comprehension problem, not my fault
ismet

The ECJ both interprets and applies grandpa… now go put your dentures back on before you come and play with unkie GR because this is the CF remember...

Enough granpa jokes son !

[insan]

Hello everybody, I have been away from this forum for some time but nothing has changed really. The same ignorant lot with a few exceptions.

Just let me remind you that this is not the end of the road as far as Orams are concerned.
ECJ: This is the supreme court to decide on EU law and its application. It is a kind of Constitutional Court over every court in member countries. Hoever it is not a court of appeal i.e. it does not decide if the judgement of the court of a member country was just or proper or not. So ECJ has ruled that ROC court judgements are enforcable in all member countries even if that judgement deals about a property outside its control i.e. TRNC.

ECHR: European Court of Human Rights is an organ of the Council of Europe set up after WW2 and includes Ukraine, Russia, Turkey etc. This court in effect acts as a court of appeal as far as European Charter of Human Rights is concerned. It is a fact that the house in dispute is within the boundaries of TRNC and Orams have not infringed any laws of TRNC. Irrespective of international recognition, everybody have to abide by the laws of the country they live in. ROC court ordered Orams to demolish the said house but they would be breaking TRNC law if they did this. Orams also argue that they were not given a fair chance to defend themselves. Furthermore ROC courts cannot be considered to be unbiased in this matter and hence a fair trial is in question. Also bear in mind that ECHR has ruled that the Compensation Board of TRNC is a valid local remedy. With all these considerations in mind, Orams have a good chance to succeed at ECHR with their case against ROC.

Putting the above to one side, now the UK court of appeal will decide if the ROC judgement can be enforced in UK. No doubt they will have to abide by the decision of ECJ but such enforcement is subject to certain EU regulations. Public policy is one of them but there are others too. So nothing is final yet and these comments above and I am sorry to say show nothing but widespread ignorance.
ismet

“The Court of Justice

Its job is to make sure that EU legislation is interpreted and applied in the same way in all EU countries, so that the law is equal for everyone. It ensures, for example, that national courts do not give different rulings on the same issue.

The Court also makes sure that EU member states and institutions do what the law requires. The Court has the power to settle legal disputes between EU member states, EU institutions, businesses and individuals.”

http://europa.eu/institutions/inst/justice/index_en.htm

If anything, this IS the court that will ensure the law is enforced Europe-wide against the Orams if anyone plays up, and one of the Court's judges is a Greek Cypriot lawyer, and the court’s current president also happens to be a Greek national!

It’s over grandpa… a crime is a crime!

Greeks began gaining confidence of GR A several more concrete contributions from Greeks then watch GR defending the "victories" of Hellenism.

[YFred]

From what I gather all that remains is a rubber stamping exercise. The Court of Appeal in London is expected to endorse the ECJ decision in a matter of weeks and then it's all over for the Orams's assets in the UK.

Wait and see how things will unfold. How long will it take for you to become disheartened?

I'll give them 48 hours and that's being generous, to see how hollow this victory is. It’s a bit like a balloon, one little prick like Bumbolla boy and it will go puff in the air.

I must admire both of your tenacity, hope and encouragement.!

I think George Armstrong Custer also had people like you leading the charge against the Sioux and Cheyenne Indians, but in the end, they all got scalped.!

Kiks, you are being very unfair. There is a mountain to climb yet on their case. We'll hear the legal opinions tomorrow and then we will see the woods from the trees. You seemed to think that the slightest slap and we chuck the towel in. In the old CJ manner "We didn't get where we are giving up too easily"

[Lit]

Up to 5,000 Brits could lose property in Cyprus after landmark ruling backs local attempt to reclaim land

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... -land.html

The Court of Appeal in London is now expected within weeks to rubber-stamp the ECJ ruling.

Some 167,000 Greek Cypriots fled their homes in northern Cyprus in 1974 while property was also abandoned in the south by some 40,000 Turkish Cypriots who moved north in the turmoil between 1974 and 1975.

Many Greek Cypriot properties in northern Cyprus were distributed among Turkish Cypriots who subsequently sold them on to foreigners, primarily Britons.

The Orams insisted they had bought the house in good faith and had Turkish title deeds proving they owned the land and property.

But they were not the original deeds, which are still held by Apostolides.

The Foreign Office warns Britons buying homes in the Turkish Cypriot state, which is recognised only by Turkey, that they could face legal action in Cyprus and elsewhere in the EU, including Britain.

Greek Cypriots view Britons who have bought on land they were forced to abandon as unscrupulous trespassers, dealing in stolen goods and exploiting the island’ s division for personal gain.

[nurseawful]

I see that nurse from up north has vanished?

Not vanished yet! Was on this forum for 1st time today only to be involved in a personal slagging match with DT who seems to know who I am . Smart ass WRONG. Obviously more than one nurse in TRNC unfortunate that I chose same name.

[roseandchan]

z4, they must have been some comments,lol.

[Lit]

Looks like, VP the cheer leader with his Pom Poms has arrived to give some support and encouragement to the
"Scumdog Millionaires" who bought GC's stolen properties instead of encouraging legalities.!

Again you have it all wrong Im waiting for the first arrests of Brits, hope it gets good media coverage.

So, what ever happened to the much championed British Lobby Group in the north that was not going to allow this ruling to happen.?

By the way, has Talat made a statement on this ruling yet, or is he hiding from the much championed British Lobby Group in the north.?

No statement yet but should be in the newspapers tomorrow, the lobby group will now push MPs in the UK to see if they can do anything to counter or delay this decision.

Why are you and Banionet talking about what the newspapers are going to say tomorrow? The news is being made right here, right now!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... -land.html

The Court of Appeal in London is now expected within weeks to rubber-stamp the ECJ ruling.

[anna-sh]

well looks like were all off cyp44.... proberly making lots of scambled eggs hey roseandchan:)