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[Z4]

It's all heating up on the Cyprus44.com forum site....some very concerned people saying this, saying that, giving their thoughts and ideas. All very interested...

The rumble has now and truly started..

[mountainman]

Sorry guys but I couldn't be bothered wading trough 19 pages of 'kick the Orams' but I suspect someone else has already voiced my sentiments.

I personally welcome the decision of the Euroean Court and hope it will very soon also make a ruling concerning incompetence and corruption in the south, for example Title Deeds, Probate, Conflict of interest to name but a few.
Remember that when Cyprus joined the EU club then it will eventually be required to abide by it's rules; not just the ones that suits Cyprus.
MM

[insan]

This is the final stage to partition island and lamers r not aware of it. "They" prepare the circumstances that will lead to partition talks. Not bcz "they" wanted partition but bcz they couldn't have created suitable circumstances for reunification.

I won't blame anyone for the failure but as I previously emphasized numerous times; it is mainly related with the fragility of the balance of the powers in our region and inability of Turks and Hellenes solve their problems on genuine grounds.

[boomerang]

This is the final stage to partition island and lamers r not aware of it. "They" prepare the circumstances that will lead to partition talks. Not bcz "they" wanted partition but bcz they couldn't have created suitable circumstances for reunification.

I won't blame anyone for the failure but as I previously emphasized numerous times; it is mainly related with the fragility of the balance of the powers in our region and inability of Turks and Hellenes solve their problems on genuine grounds.

no insan, hopefully when push comes to shove it might accelerate a unification...

[growuptcs]

I want to tip my hat off to the GC's that have been held psychologically hostage through this Turkish psychological warfare all these years. This is your day. Cherish it.

[Sotos]

This is the final stage to partition island and lamers r not aware of it. "They" prepare the circumstances that will lead to partition talks. Not bcz "they" wanted partition but bcz they couldn't have created suitable circumstances for reunification.

I won't blame anyone for the failure but as I previously emphasized numerous times; it is mainly related with the fragility of the balance of the powers in our region and inability of Turks and Hellenes solve their problems on genuine grounds.

Partition talks is something you can only have among yourselves like you always did If you don't behave then we will not target only foreigners we will target you as well because many of you are also acting illegally. This means you will say goodbye to Europe. You will not be able to do any business or own any assets in EU because our courts will convict you and our rulings will be enforceable in the whole EU. So better start behaving

[boulio]

This is the final stage to partition island and lamers r not aware of it. "They" prepare the circumstances that will lead to partition talks. Not bcz "they" wanted partition but bcz they couldn't have created suitable circumstances for reunification.

I won't blame anyone for the failure but as I previously emphasized numerous times; it is mainly related with the fragility of the balance of the powers in our region and inability of Turks and Hellenes solve their problems on genuine grounds.

Really how do you figure Insan that partition will happen you have 5 SC VOTES?

iF IT is agreeded partition fine but it wont be 71/29 split but more like a 80/20 split.And at the end it still wont happen because GB knows if the two commutuies agree to partition their bases are gone.

[CopperLine]

Well you can all laugh at us getting properties at whatever prices we paid but has it ever occured to you that the houses in the sout.h are built the same way as up here in the North. Conclusion you lot were really ripped of!!
Now I am being as bad as you lot, don't any of you want peace and tranquility on this island? We have a beautiful island why can't we all live in peace have we learned nothing from wars!

Nothing has changed. They are not about to knock houses down. Hang on to your properties, it will all be sorted in the final agreement and if there isn't one, then there is no problem.

Does any one know what the judgement is about persuing the orams for their property in England?

I predict that the property issue - which is an individual right under civil law - will over the next couple of decades become decoupled from efforts to find a political settlement - the latter seemingly impossible.

I'm not sure about this, Tim Drayton. I agree with your premiss but not sure that I understand your conclusion. Are you suggesting that independent of any political settlement civil cases will continue to be pursued over the next couple of decades ? Or are you suggesting that a political settlement will render civil cases unnecessary (because the political settlement will address and resolve all property issues) ?

In general no one should be really surprised by this ECJ judgment. It simply confirms the logic of integration of European union law. Once the RoC was confirmed as new-accession state any lawyer worth their salt should have advised against anybody thinking of buying a Greek Cypriot property in the north. It was simply a question of time before this door was going to be closed. People like Apostolides should be commended for having the determination to push the case all the way through. (This is how law develops; it has to be challenged, tested and clarified).

As a matter of detail, the wording of this thread's news headline is somewhat misleading. Whilst it is true that the original Cyprus court ordered the demolition of the Oram's Lapithos house, and that the ECJ's final judgment confirms the enforceability of the Cyprus court decision in the UK, there is a basic practical problem to enforce the demolition of a house in one country by the powers of another country. Securing compensation from the Orams - basically monetary compensation - via UK enforcement will be the Orams' immediate headache (and doubtless the thousands of others in the UK and EU who have similar kinds of properties/judgments held against them). But how - practically - does a UK court enforce the demolition of a house in northern Cyprus ? In this case the UK's power is no greater than that of the RoC because northern Cyprus, remains under effective administration of Turkey. In short, the Orams could quite easily refuse to demolish the Lapithos house and, until there is a political settlement of the whole Cyprus question (wherein northern Cyprus also be subject to the acquis as an EU territory), that bit of the judgment would remain practically unenforceable.

[Kikapu]

Well you can all laugh at us getting properties at whatever prices we paid but has it ever occured to you that the houses in the sout.h are built the same way as up here in the North. Conclusion you lot were really ripped of!!
Now I am being as bad as you lot, don't any of you want peace and tranquility on this island? We have a beautiful island why can't we all live in peace have we learned nothing from wars!

Nothing has changed. They are not about to knock houses down. Hang on to your properties, it will all be sorted in the final agreement and if there isn't one, then there is no problem.

Does any one know what the judgement is about persuing the orams for their property in England?

I predict that the property issue - which is an individual right under civil law - will over the next couple of decades become decoupled from efforts to find a political settlement - the latter seemingly impossible.

I'm not sure about this, Tim Drayton. I agree with your premiss but not sure that I understand your conclusion. Are you suggesting that independent of any political settlement civil cases will continue to be pursued over the next couple of decades ? Or are you suggesting that a political settlement will render civil cases unnecessary (because the political settlement will address and resolve all property issues) ?

In general no one should be really surprised by this ECJ judgment. It simply confirms the logic of integration of European union law. Once the RoC was confirmed as new-accession state any lawyer worth their salt should have advised against anybody thinking of buying a Greek Cypriot property in the north. It was simply a question of time before this door was going to be closed. People like Apostolides should be commended for having the determination to push the case all the way through. (This is how law develops; it has to be challenged, tested and clarified).

As a matter of detail, the wording of this thread's news headline is somewhat misleading. Whilst it is true that the original Cyprus court ordered the demolition of the Oram's Lapithos house, and that the ECJ's final judgment confirms the enforceability of the Cyprus court decision in the UK, there is a basic practical problem to enforce the demolition of a house in one country by the powers of another country. Securing compensation from the Orams - basically monetary compensation - via UK enforcement will be the Orams' immediate headache (and doubtless the thousands of others in the UK and EU who have similar kinds of properties/judgments held against them). But how - practically - does a UK court enforce the demolition of a house in northern Cyprus ? In this case the UK's power is no greater than that of the RoC because northern Cyprus, remains under effective administration of Turkey. In short, the Orams could quite easily refuse to demolish the Lapithos house and, until there is a political settlement of the whole Cyprus question (wherein northern Cyprus also be subject to the acquis as an EU territory), that bit of the judgment would remain practically unenforceable.

But how - practically - does a UK court enforce the demolition of a house in northern Cyprus ?

In reality, the UK courts cannot enforce the demolishing of a house in the "trnc", however, if the Orams do not demolish their house in the "trnc" as demanded by the courts, would they then not be in contempt of court for not going through with the courts order, which may then be fined x amounts of ££££'s plus possibly jail term for ignoring repeated court orders.?

[Viewpoint]

Hey just got home and read all the crap posted by the jubliant GCs who have gained another toliet paper victory.

Copperline thank you for some common sense, there is noway anyone can demolish the Orams home,sorry to be a party pooper (not really) the only thing they may be able to enforce in the UK is the compensation, but Copperline what if they do not have any assets in the UK? what will happen then? will they be arrested?

How long did the case take to get to this stage which is not the end just yet? How long will it take other cases to proceed and finalize???

Again another matter of GCs counting their chickens before the hatch or collection resolution and decisions which in reality mean jack shit.

This battle may we won but the war is not over yet, we to will have our day and it wont be a toilet paper victory.