Acikgoz wrote:Did not the Turkish Cypriots in that area need to leave their homes to find safety?
I'm sure once the order came from the TMT you had to go or you'd end up like these people here...
TMT attacks against Turkish Cypriots, May-July, 1958 --------------------------------------------------------------
- 22.5.58: Murder attempt against Ahmet Sadi, Director of the Turkish Office of the Pancyprian Workers Federation. In order to save his life, Sadi left Cyprus soon after and settled in England.
- 24.5.48: Murder of Fazil Onder, Chief Editor of the weekly newspaper "Inkilapci".
- 29.5.58: Murder of Ahmet Yahya, committee member of the progressive Turkish Cypriot Athletic-Cultural Centre.
- 5.6.58: Murder attempt against Hasan Ali, member of a Construction Workers Committee of the Pancyprian Labour Federation.
- 30.6.58: Murder of Ahmet Ibrahim, a barber from Limassol, because he had friendly relations with Greek-Cypriots and expressed himself in favour of Greek-Turkish cooperation.
- 3.7.58: Murder attempt against Arif Hulusi Barudi. He was working in a business owned by a Greek Cypriot. Before the attempt he had received a threatening letter demanding that he leave his job.
You are racist, What are the blank lines for? I see the lines have been removed for the Eoka activities, which I am sure were more in number than TMT.
Hmmm... 200+ GC civilians killed by EOKA... When TMT compared to EOKA, it seems like angel... However, according to GR EOKA consist of Greek nationalist Cypriots? heroes, TMT is enemy of TC-GC brotherhood; even TC killer. GR, have u got the list of GC civilians killed by EOKA and explanations why they were killed?
"In Cyprus this crude policy of enforced segregation did not go unopposed amongst the Turkish Cypriots. TMT’s answer to criticism was however rapid and brutal. It assassinated prominent Turkish Cypriots who dared to publicly voice opposition or advocated co-operation between Greeks and Turks. The most widely known such murders were those of Fazil Ondur, the chief editor of the weekly newspaper Inkilapci, who was killed on 29 May 1959; and Ahmet Yahaya, a committee member of the Turkish Cypriot Athletic and Culture centre, who was killed on 5 June 1958. An attempt was also made on the life of Arif Barudi on 3 July 1958, and another one on Ahmet Sadi, the director of the Turkish office of the Pancypriot Labour Federation who, soon after the attempt against his life, left Cyprus to settle in England. The same policy continues today with the assassination in July 1996 of Kutlu Adali, the Turkish Cypriot journalist, who had the courage to condemn the partitionist project of the Turkish military establishment which leads the foreign policy of Ankara, and who advocated closer co-operation between Greek and Turkish Cypriots."
"In Cyprus this crude policy of enforced segregation did not go unopposed amongst the Turkish Cypriots. TMT’s answer to criticism was however rapid and brutal. It assassinated prominent Turkish Cypriots who dared to publicly voice opposition or advocated co-operation between Greeks and Turks. The most widely known such murders were those of Fazil Ondur, the chief editor of the weekly newspaper Inkilapci, who was killed on 29 May 1959; and Ahmet Yahaya, a committee member of the Turkish Cypriot Athletic and Culture centre, who was killed on 5 June 1958. An attempt was also made on the life of Arif Barudi on 3 July 1958, and another one on Ahmet Sadi, the director of the Turkish office of the Pancypriot Labour Federation who, soon after the attempt against his life, left Cyprus to settle in England. The same policy continues today with the assassination in July 1996 of Kutlu Adali, the Turkish Cypriot journalist, who had the courage to condemn the partitionist project of the Turkish military establishment which leads the foreign policy of Ankara, and who advocated closer co-operation between Greek and Turkish Cypriots."
Acikgoz wrote:Please find below my original post to which I have been interested to hear responses about.
I put it out there again as subsequent to posting I keep finding everyone commenting on issues as though they are writing for some pubescent comic book for neo-nazis. - 400 years ago... what!!! - Turkey's involvement... what!!! etc. etc. a large helping of nationalistic xenophobic rants with decent helpings of put downs. Stick to the point
I am Cypriot born I am talking about Turkish title deed holder of land in south. etc. STOP sidelining the issues
Unfortunately in your mind what's yours is yours and what's ours is yours; oh and not only in your mind from what I have been reading by most contributors on this site.
What about me. Get off my land, pay me rent since 1964 when we were threatened off it, pay me restitution to ease some of the pain for my relatives murdered in 1964 and the trauma of living in a hovel of an enclave away from my beautiful gardens by the Trodos mountains, and only in 1974 have the feeling that this 3rd class citizen and embargoes would end. Oh while you're at it pay me restıtution for the years I've suffered under an embargo post 1974 whilst watching the freedoms you have enjoyed, the opportunities your children have had. Admit this, and then you are worthy of being respected as a human being. Otherwise you are no more than a bigoted, racist, self-interested, freeloader, brain washed and/or naturally masochistic individual.
All this talk of who is the thieves of who's land - Remember a good quote from the bible John 8:7 "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." For a country where the church is a regular part of everyday life what a shame the true virtues of love, compasion and brotherhood are so far removed.
If we are talking about legality, rules, laws etc. and how this justifies our actions then how can one disregard the unconstitutional change of the constitution whilst basing one's position on UN resolutions. Remember this is not one side is right the other is wrong, both are right, both are wrong.
It is sad that there are so few on this forum that could be said to be true thinkers, it means to step up and admit to "yourself" the "truth", it's so easy if you only take a moment and think for yourself. Please just try.
Let me ask you some questions:
1) Was the invasion of the Turks in 1571, the murder of 10s of thousands of Cypriots, and the oppression of the Cypriot people for 3+ centuries something right?
Would any conflict between Cypriots and Turks exist if the Turks had not invaded Cyprus in the first place?
2) After being oppressed by you and then by the British for centuries, and all we asked was for our self-determination in order to democratically decide the destiny of our own island, and you instead attacked us, collaborated with the Colonialists and forced us to accept your unfair terms, was that something right?
Would there be any inter-communal conflict if you accepted that Cypriots had the right for their self-determination? Rhodes, which also has a Turkish minority, united with Greece in 1947. No Turks there were harmed, none of them lost their land, and their population has increased by 20% since then.
3) In 1974 as I have shown many times no TC was killed until after the Turkish invasion had started. Until then the GCs were fighting against the coupists and our president Makarios was at the UN condemning the coup. If you had not used the coup as an excuse to put into action your plans for partition that you had since the 50s, would the "embargoes" and all the other things you complain about exist?
All the wars in Cyprus were started by the Turks. Of course when we were attacked we fought back and that meant that you also had some casualties and you also suffered some of the consequences.
How else did you want it? When you attack us and start killing innocent GCs not to fight back? Or when you stole 1/3rd of our country to just let you enjoy it without any consequences?
Who is to blame is the one who starts the wars and conflicts. Just having losses and suffering during a conflict doesn't make you any less guilty. Should we say that the Nazis and the Allies share the blame of WWII because the Nazis also had casulties during the war? I think not.
If you suffered and had casualties during the conflicts then you should blame those who started the conflicts, and always those were the Turks.
The problem in Cyprus is that you want to undemocratically impose your will on the Cypriot people.
NO conflict (1571, 1958,1974) would happen to Cyprus if you did not try to impose your will by force on the Cypriot people.
It is never too late. Stop trying to impose your will by force, accept democracy and human rights, and then we can both enjoy Cyprus as equal Cypriot and European Citizens. But when you start and maintain conflicts with the aim to deny democracy to Cyprus, take away our land and human rights, and have Ottoman Style privilages on our expense, then don't complain that in the conflict that you start you also suffer, and don't expect any apologies from us because we fight in the wars and conflicts you start against us.
If anything you shout know that as long as you collaborate with foreigners and try to impose your minority will by force and deny democracy and freedom to Cyprus, then we will fight back and that means you will have casualties and you will suffer as well, and you will fully deserve what you get.
There is only one way to peace: Accepting democracy and human rights for Cyprus and all Cypriots becoming equal Cypriot and European citizens. If instead of peace you choose war because you want to have more land and Ottoman style privileges on our expense, then you only have yourselves to blame for the results of your choice.
"In Cyprus this crude policy of enforced segregation did not go unopposed amongst the Turkish Cypriots. TMT’s answer to criticism was however rapid and brutal. It assassinated prominent Turkish Cypriots who dared to publicly voice opposition or advocated co-operation between Greeks and Turks. The most widely known such murders were those of Fazil Ondur, the chief editor of the weekly newspaper Inkilapci, who was killed on 29 May 1959; and Ahmet Yahaya, a committee member of the Turkish Cypriot Athletic and Culture centre, who was killed on 5 June 1958. An attempt was also made on the life of Arif Barudi on 3 July 1958, and another one on Ahmet Sadi, the director of the Turkish office of the Pancypriot Labour Federation who, soon after the attempt against his life, left Cyprus to settle in England. The same policy continues today with the assassination in July 1996 of Kutlu Adali, the Turkish Cypriot journalist, who had the courage to condemn the partitionist project of the Turkish military establishment which leads the foreign policy of Ankara, and who advocated closer co-operation between Greek and Turkish Cypriots."
What's wrong with Taksim as a counter movement against Enosis? At least fairer than Enosis.
Whats wrong with Taksim is obvious: It requires the ethnic cleansing of 100s of thousands of people, which is a violation of several of the most basic human rights.
Now tell me what is wrong with Enosis? Which human right of TCs would be violated with Enosis? How was it ok for Cyprus to be under the Ottoman or British empires, against the will of the Cypriot people and with Cypriots being subjects of these foreign empires, and not OK for Cyprus to be part of a Republic that Cypriots themselves democratically choose to be part of, and where Cypriots would be equal citizens?
In fact the UN resolution about Decolonization clearly defines "integration into an independent State" as one of the " three legitimate options of full self-government."
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm
So union with Greece not only did not violate the human rights of anybody, but it was also the right of the Cypriot people if this is what they would democratically choose.
On the contrary partition which requires the ethnic cleansing of 100s of thousands of people is nothing more than a crime.
Now tell me what is wrong with Enosis? Which human right of TCs would be violated with Enosis?
Which human rights of Turkish Greeks, Turkish Rhodesians, Turkish Cretens have been violated; same would have happened to Turkish Cypriots. It is cyrystal clear...
Now tell me what is wrong with Enosis? Which human right of TCs would be violated with Enosis?
Which human rights of Turkish Greeks, Turkish Rhodesians, Turkish Cretens have been violated; same would have happened to Turkish Cypriots. It is cyrystal clear...
The population of those people has increased massively since the end of the the wars between Greece and Turkey. On the contrary it is the Greeks in Turkey who have been oppressed and their population has now declined to only a small fraction of what it used to be.
If those people have some problems (not Human Rights violations), their problems are insignificant compared to the ones faced by the Greeks in Turkey, and if it wasn't for the Turkish aggression and Turkey trying to use the Turkish minorities in other countries in order to create problems (like they did in Cyprus) then even those small problems would not exist.
Acikgoz wrote:Militades, some facts for some facts. All around us were Greek villages, my eldest siblings spoke Greek as fluently as any Greek Cypriot. Speak with your friend. Obtain what you need, I pray he remembers my father and you will be an honest broker in sharing your findings. Now you give me a fact, for someone that appears to have both knowledge and contacts. Did not the Turkish Cypriots in that area need to leave their homes to find safety? You're working to evaluate my character, let's hear about your ability to share the truth. Or, is this a game for you, assasinate character to avoid admitting the truth. Focus on the question I am asking, I can see you are finding it hard to answer.
You are therefore wrong in saying that Istinjo was primarily a G/C village .
Istingo was amongst a cluster of T/C villages surrounded by G/C villages.
Following the Turkish air bombardment of 1964 and the increase in intercommunal conflict the T/Cs became the target of G/C extremists , the people of Istinjo as well as from the few T/C villages nearby had no alternative but to vacate and seek refuge in T/C strongholds mostly in the Nicosia area. G/Cs alos in predominantly T/C villages acted likewise.
The hatred that developed all those years ago was responsible for the unforgivable crimes commited by both communities against mostly innocent Cypriot people. The perpetuation and noursihment of this intense hatred continued long after the early 60s .
Let me tell you now a few realities and facts.
Turkey invaded in 1974 as a direct result of the coup against Makarios which gave her the right as per the Zurich agreements to intervene and restore the legitimate government. It was never her intention since her goal was to divide and partition the island. A Turkish goal well documented. Having " intervened" 35 years later the Turkish troops are still in Cyprus , may I say against the wishes of many T/Cs who see the troops as nothing short of occupiers. In "intervening" she used the excuse that she did so to stop the "massacre" of T/Cs. This propaganda has filtered throug to the young and old alike and is today "exploited" as a fact when in reality 6 years prior to the Turkish invasion Not One SINGLE T/C was a victim of the G/C extremists.
The fact that today we witness the gradual extiction of the T/C replaced by Anatolian settlers is one of the reasons why the Internation community which Is Not controlled by Turkey , refuses to bow to pressure by the occupier and recognise that part of occupied Cyprus as a nation.
The recent ECJ judgement has put an end to the claims that the RoC is one of two nations in Cyprus.
There is , and always will be one Cyprus , the land of the Cypriots , those amongst us that consider a foreign nation as a motherland had better realize that the Cypriots will never accept the division of our island. Birkibrisly is one of many true compatriots who by empathising with the plight of his G/C compatriots , just as I have with my T/C compatriots , has found that in order to have permanent peace and tranquility on this island we all have to embrace Cyprus as our homeland .
You are new to forum and are not aware perhaps that apart from Birkibrisly , Kikapu , Vurye , Ahmed , xxNillxx , Pashias , Cem , Iceman , Deniz , Umit 07 and many many more consider Cyprus to be their homeland and do not consider their compatriots as murderers , bigots and racists , anymore than I consider my compatriots in an arbitrary fashion.
