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Postby polis » Tue May 19, 2009 8:15 pm

Acikgoz wrote:Please find below my original post to which I have been interested to hear responses about.

I put it out there again as subsequent to posting I keep finding everyone commenting on issues as though they are writing for some pubescent comic book for neo-nazis.
- 400 years ago... what!!!
- Turkey's involvement... what!!!
etc. etc. a large helping of nationalistic xenophobic rants with decent helpings of put downs. Stick to the point

I am Cypriot born
I am talking about Turkish title deed holder of land in south.
etc.
STOP sidelining the issues




Unfortunately in your mind what's yours is yours and what's ours is yours; oh and not only in your mind from what I have been reading by most contributors on this site.

What about me. Get off my land, pay me rent since 1964 when we were threatened off it, pay me restitution to ease some of the pain for my relatives murdered in 1964 and the trauma of living in a hovel of an enclave away from my beautiful gardens by the Trodos mountains, and only in 1974 have the feeling that this 3rd class citizen and embargoes would end. Oh while you're at it pay me restıtution for the years I've suffered under an embargo post 1974 whilst watching the freedoms you have enjoyed, the opportunities your children have had. Admit this, and then you are worthy of being respected as a human being. Otherwise you are no more than a bigoted, racist, self-interested, freeloader, brain washed and/or naturally masochistic individual.


All this talk of who is the thieves of who's land - Remember a good quote from the bible John 8:7 "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." For a country where the church is a regular part of everyday life what a shame the true virtues of love, compasion and brotherhood are so far removed.

If we are talking about legality, rules, laws etc. and how this justifies our actions then how can one disregard the unconstitutional change of the constitution whilst basing one's position on UN resolutions. Remember this is not one side is right the other is wrong, both are right, both are wrong.

It is sad that there are so few on this forum that could be said to be true thinkers, it means to step up and admit to "yourself" the "truth", it's so easy if you only take a moment and think for yourself. Please just try.


Here's one of the replies you apparently missed:


... and you've been doing this in someone else's beautiful garden while they were raped, tortured, murdered and buried in an unmarked grave in your back yard for all you know, or if they were lucky just ethnicaly cleansed and forced to flee South, settle in tents and then hearded into a hovel of a refugee settelement and spend much of the rest of their lives as third class citizens while you were enjoying your "freedom" in their land.

In the meantime you have an absolute right to return to your beautiful home and garden in Troodos (which by the way is a mountain, not a settlement), pay your taxes and live as a first class citizen but you choose not to.

Christ might have challenged the one without sin to cast the first stone but that was a call for forgiveness not a blank defence for a continuous crime. You are an apologist for ethnic cleansing which last time I checked is a crime against humanity and a war crime and you are exploiting property you obtained through murder, rape, torture and intimidation. If you think that quoting the bible will earn you sympathy think again.
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Postby Oracle » Tue May 19, 2009 8:25 pm

polis wrote:
Acikgoz wrote:Please find below my original post to which I have been interested to hear responses about.

I put it out there again as subsequent to posting I keep finding everyone commenting on issues as though they are writing for some pubescent comic book for neo-nazis.
- 400 years ago... what!!!
- Turkey's involvement... what!!!
etc. etc. a large helping of nationalistic xenophobic rants with decent helpings of put downs. Stick to the point

I am Cypriot born
I am talking about Turkish title deed holder of land in south.
etc.
STOP sidelining the issues




Unfortunately in your mind what's yours is yours and what's ours is yours; oh and not only in your mind from what I have been reading by most contributors on this site.

What about me. Get off my land, pay me rent since 1964 when we were threatened off it, pay me restitution to ease some of the pain for my relatives murdered in 1964 and the trauma of living in a hovel of an enclave away from my beautiful gardens by the Trodos mountains, and only in 1974 have the feeling that this 3rd class citizen and embargoes would end. Oh while you're at it pay me restıtution for the years I've suffered under an embargo post 1974 whilst watching the freedoms you have enjoyed, the opportunities your children have had. Admit this, and then you are worthy of being respected as a human being. Otherwise you are no more than a bigoted, racist, self-interested, freeloader, brain washed and/or naturally masochistic individual.


All this talk of who is the thieves of who's land - Remember a good quote from the bible John 8:7 "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." For a country where the church is a regular part of everyday life what a shame the true virtues of love, compasion and brotherhood are so far removed.

If we are talking about legality, rules, laws etc. and how this justifies our actions then how can one disregard the unconstitutional change of the constitution whilst basing one's position on UN resolutions. Remember this is not one side is right the other is wrong, both are right, both are wrong.

It is sad that there are so few on this forum that could be said to be true thinkers, it means to step up and admit to "yourself" the "truth", it's so easy if you only take a moment and think for yourself. Please just try.


Here's one of the replies you apparently missed:


... and you've been doing this in someone else's beautiful garden while they were raped, tortured, murdered and buried in an unmarked grave in your back yard for all you know, or if they were lucky just ethnicaly cleansed and forced to flee South, settle in tents and then hearded into a hovel of a refugee settelement and spend much of the rest of their lives as third class citizens while you were enjoying your "freedom" in their land.

In the meantime you have an absolute right to return to your beautiful home and garden in Troodos (which by the way is a mountain, not a settlement), pay your taxes and live as a first class citizen but you choose not to.

Christ might have challenged the one without sin to cast the first stone but that was a call for forgiveness not a blank defence for a continuous crime. You are an apologist for ethnic cleansing which last time I checked is a crime against humanity and a war crime and you are exploiting property you obtained through murder, rape, torture and intimidation. If you think that quoting the bible will earn you sympathy think again.


Excellent post polis!
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Postby EPSILON » Tue May 19, 2009 8:44 pm

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Acikgoz wrote:Unfortunately in your mind what's yours is yours and what's ours is yours; oh and not only in your mind from what I have been reading by most contributors on this site.

What about me. Get off my land, pay me rent since 1964 when we were threatened off it, pay me restitution to ease some of the pain for my relatives murdered in 1964 and the trauma of living in a hovel of an enclave away from my beautiful gardens by the Trodos mountains, and only in 1974 have the feeling that this 3rd class citizen and embargoes would end. Oh while you're at it pay me restıtution for the years I've suffered under an embargo post 1974 whilst watching the freedoms you have enjoyed, the opportunities your children have had. Admit this, and then you are worthy of being respected as a human being. Otherwise you are no more than a bigoted, racist, self-interested, freeloader, brain washed and/or naturally masochistic individual.


All this talk of who is the thieves of who's land - Remember a good quote from the bible John 8:7 "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." For a country where the church is a regular part of everyday life what a shame the true virtues of love, compasion and brotherhood are so far removed.

If we are talking about legality, rules, laws etc. and how this justifies our actions then how can one disregard the unconstitutional change of the constitution whilst basing one's position on UN resolutions. Remember this is not one side is right the other is wrong, both are right, both are wrong.

It is sad that there are so few on this forum that could be said to be true thinkers, it means to step up and admit to "yourself" the "truth", it's so easy if you only take a moment and think for yourself. Please just try.


Very good post.It can convist even some Greeks!!
Question a: Can you tell us how this constitution of 1960 created?Did this constitution applied/agreed after a freedom fight of T/cs againt the British occupator? Can you give us some T/cs victims of this freedom fight?
Question B: Can you name us some differences between settlers of 1578 and these of 1974?(i know some)
To be continued......


Give me a chance to continue...
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Postby miltiades » Tue May 19, 2009 9:07 pm

"GREEK REPUBLIC OF CYPRUS" IS WHAT THE TURKISH PROPAGANDA SITES CALL THE ROC.
DIDNT ANYONE SIT YOU DOWN AND EXPLAIN ?
YOU PLONKER !!
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Postby EPSILON » Tue May 19, 2009 9:17 pm

miltiades wrote:"GREEK REPUBLIC OF CYPRUS" IS WHAT THE TURKISH PROPAGANDA SITES CALL THE ROC.
DIDNT ANYONE SIT YOU DOWN AND EXPLAIN ?
YOU PLONKER !!


Re MELTIADI I AM A Greek - You are just a Genitzaros. can you understand this point? Or British washed up your head?

Communist/ Write WING/lEFET WING but ALWAYS GREEK-NO RELATION WITH GREECE BUT GREEK
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Postby miltiades » Tue May 19, 2009 9:26 pm

EPSILON wrote:
miltiades wrote:"GREEK REPUBLIC OF CYPRUS" IS WHAT THE TURKISH PROPAGANDA SITES CALL THE ROC.
DIDNT ANYONE SIT YOU DOWN AND EXPLAIN ?
YOU PLONKER !!


Re MELTIADI I AM A Greek - You are just a Genitzaros. can you understand this point? Or British washed up your head?

Communist/ Write WING/lEFET WING but ALWAYS GREEK-NO RELATION WITH GREECE BUT GREEK

Hey vlaka , you can be as Greek as you like but my motherland aint Greece is Cyprus stupid , not the Greek Republic of Cyprus. I told you before that the Turkish propaganda sites call the RoC just as you do , the GRoC . Whats this bullshit about genitsarous malaka ?
Get it in your thick kalamaristiki kkelle that Cyprus IS known the world over as the ROC , not what you and the Turkish propaganda machine refer to it by.
Ilithie !!
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Postby insan » Tue May 19, 2009 9:30 pm

miltiades wrote:"GREEK REPUBLIC OF CYPRUS" IS WHAT THE TURKISH PROPAGANDA SITES CALL THE ROC.
DIDNT ANYONE SIT YOU DOWN AND EXPLAIN ?
YOU PLONKER !!


No we call it so called RoC. :lol:
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Postby Acikgoz » Tue May 19, 2009 9:34 pm

Still taking names...
Polis - good answer??? What ??? My father was murdered coming back to save his mother in Istinco, he was a simple farmer. What was it you said "In the meantime you have an absolute right to return to your beautiful home and garden in Troodos (which by the way is a mountain, not a settlement), pay your taxes and live as a first class citizen but you choose not to." Rather not thanks - just read the posts to see how a Turkish Cypriot is really considered. How many Greek Cypriots have felt safe returning to their homes in the North?

Using the biblican quote still stands, all those that are casting stones of theft, brutality and the rest, are you without sin?

Epsilon - did the method of the signing of the constitution justify the destruction of my human rights, to land, to feeling safe in my country, to the physical and emotional wellbeing of my person and those around me to the treatment as 3rd class citizen.

So let's add to the list Polis, Oracle and Epsilon.

Is there anyone out there who can dig a little deeper or is every Greek Cypriot writing on this forum "no more than a bigoted, racist, self-interested, freeloader, brain washed and/or naturally masochistic individual."
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Postby Oracle » Tue May 19, 2009 9:41 pm

Acikgoz ... you really hate GCs ... as I said before, you should consider moving to Turkey because Cyprus has been our homeland for thousands of years and we did not invite your multiple-invasions and constant demands for our territory. You sound like you have trouble accepting living amongst us Europeans. Play the blame game ... but in the end ... you invaded us.
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Postby DT. » Tue May 19, 2009 9:44 pm

Acikgoz wrote:Still taking names...
Polis - good answer??? What ??? My father was murdered coming back to save his mother in Istinco, he was a simple farmer. What was it you said "In the meantime you have an absolute right to return to your beautiful home and garden in Troodos (which by the way is a mountain, not a settlement), pay your taxes and live as a first class citizen but you choose not to." Rather not thanks - just read the posts to see how a Turkish Cypriot is really considered. How many Greek Cypriots have felt safe returning to their homes in the North?

Using the biblican quote still stands, all those that are casting stones of theft, brutality and the rest, are you without sin?

Epsilon - did the method of the signing of the constitution justify the destruction of my human rights, to land, to feeling safe in my country, to the physical and emotional wellbeing of my person and those around me to the treatment as 3rd class citizen.

So let's add to the list Polis, Oracle and Epsilon.

Is there anyone out there who can dig a little deeper or is every Greek Cypriot writing on this forum "no more than a bigoted, racist, self-interested, freeloader, brain washed and/or naturally masochistic individual."


Once again...make a start, be the example, show us the way....where has Turkey committed crimes against the GC's?
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