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[umit07]

I reckon we are, TC's are outnumbered by Turks, there's nothing more to think about. The next generation will be better educated taking over key roles within the community, gradually taking over full control. Although I doubt the North will ever be annexed officially by Turkey, nobody would want to give up there special privileges that come with living in the North.

[Piratis]

Turkey had the full control of the occupied areas and TCs right from the beginning. The Settlers are just an additional safeguard for Turkey just in the very unlikely case that the TCs would one day wake up.

This is how it goes: First is divide and rule, taught by the British. Grand to one group of people privileges over another group of people and see the two groups fight. The group that got the privileges will find a million reasons to excuse why they deserve such privileges, while the other group will never accept this. This was done with the 1960 agreements and even more with the Turkish demands after 1974.

This gives full control of Turkey over the TCs. The TCs know that without Turkey they can not get the privileges. They also know that even if they gained the privileges that without Turkey they will not be able to maintain the them. This permanently indebts the TCs to Turkey.

At the same time however the TCs suffer the consequences of the illegal occupation. This means that while they get some gains (e.g. more land -for some at least) they don't get all those benefits that they were hopping for. In fact for many of them, a truly united Cyprus and them being equal Cypriot citizens would be much better than what they have now. But Turkey keeps them from realizing this, first by brainwashing them about evil GCs who will kill them if Cyprus is truly reunited, and secondly by telling them that official partition, either formal or disguised like Annan plan, is about to happen, or that all the consequences of the illegal occupation (direct trade etc) are going to disappear soon.

But what if Turkey doesn't manage to get partition, or the sanctions on the occupied Cyprus lifted? And what if the TCs, by interacting with GCs more and more, realize that most GCs are not the evils they were told they are? Then maybe the TCs would see that they have more to gain from being equal Cypriot citizens in an EU Cyprus, rather than live in a Turkish military base and suffer the consequences of the illegal occupation.

And that is where the Settlers come into play. Turkey managed to get the UN (and us) to accept for the Settlers to vote in the referendum in the north. Any solution proposal to be acceptable by GCs would require the repatriation of most Settlers. This means that GCs would never vote for a plan that allows most Settlers to stay, and the Settlers will of course not vote for a plan that requires from them to go.

Therefore even if one day the TC leadership brakes out of the control of Turkey (something which is improbable) and they accept a fair solution to the Cyprus Problem, the Settlers will reject this solution.

This is why they bring all these Settlers in the occupied areas. And this is why they give them the "trnc" "citizenship". We also have some 1000s of Greek Pontians in Cyprus. But they don't have the Cyprus citizenship. They don't vote in our elections. I know there are a million of lame excuses as to why Turkey brought all those settlers, but the fact is that they brought them to change the demographics and have them as a safeguard in case the TCs woke up.

[Bananiot]

But, have you forgotten that we are about to launch a war against Turkey in which we have pre determined the actual number of our human losses?

P.S. Hugo Gobi once said "the drama of Cyprus is that there is no drama". Even swine fever has ignored us.

[Get Real!]

But, have you forgotten that we are about to launch a war against Turkey in which we have pre determined the actual number of our human losses?

And how is your assumption of an imminent attack, coupled with your further assumption of predetermined loses relevant to Piratis’ great post or this thread for that matter?

[boulio]

I posted this a while ago,I Think the t/c would have been better off without turkey big time.They would have been better even with a one man one vote pricipal.Look at the turks of bulgaria,the are the junior partner in govt.have multiple portfolios in the govt(ministries)EU member,nato members.Eu delegates and basically get very nice "gifts"to join a coalition govt.The t/c are being breed out of their own country.

Pitiful

[Bananiot]

Ask GR, GR!

[boulio]

ask gr what?

[Viewpoint]

I posted this a while ago,I Think the t/c would have been better off without turkey big time.They would have been better even with a one man one vote pricipal.Look at the turks of bulgaria,the are the junior partner in govt.have multiple portfolios in the govt(ministries)EU member,nato members.Eu delegates and basically get very nice "gifts"to join a coalition govt.The t/c are being breed out of their own country.

Pitiful

You forget that we are also Turkish in origin, if you try real hard to understand this then you might understand why we are not to concerned and know that our population will continue to grow larger than yours. Who will then be begging for partition???

[Nikitas]

Keep repeating the mantra VP and one day you might believe it.

Do you really like being made extinct? Then you must be one of a kind Turk.I have never met a Turk who was not proud of his local origin, not until I read your posts.

[Kikapu]

You forget that we are also Turkish in origin, if you try real hard to understand this then you might understand why we are not to concerned and know that our population will continue to grow larger than yours. Who will then be begging for partition???

Keep repeating the mantra VP and one day you might believe it.

Do you really like being made extinct? Then you must be one of a kind Turk.I have never met a Turk who was not proud of his local origin, not until I read your posts.

VP and his ilk of the NeoPartionist group have a inferiority complex for being a numerical minority in Cyprus as a Turkish Cypriots. This they are unable to accept being a reality against the GC's numerical majority, therefore they see themselves as the neglected “step child” of Cyprus. To compensate this inferiority complex, much like a little kid who tells another kid who is a little taller and bigger than himself in a heated argument, "I will get my BIG brother to come and beat you up". This is the way the smaller kid feels he has reached equality and even superiority over the other kid. VP and the gang are no different. He and the rest of his ilk are determined to destroy the numerical minority TC status by wanting to belong to a much bigger and stronger group of his ancestors, the Turks in Turkey, just to make up for his inferiority complex. But this does not solve VP's inferiority complex fully, because he is still in a numerical minority status in Cyprus with the GC's, even when he no longer sees himself as a Cypriot, so he wants to have more settlers brought into the island to eventually outnumber the GC's in order for him to fulfil his superiority complex mentality. VP is not a Cypriot, was never a Cypriot and will never be a Cypriot. VP is a "traitor" to his parents heritage that goes back 400+ years in Cyprus. VP's hunger for superiority is what will destroy his numerical minority TC's from existence in Cyprus, because in the end, the GC's will always remain on the island of Cyprus as they have done so for generations, come what may, and the only one's that are more likely to leave in due course, will be the settlers. As for the fate of the Turkish Cypriots in Cyprus, well, they would have already made themselves extinct along the way in order to belong to the "superior" race, the Turks, because of their inferiority complex feelings, just by being numerical minority against the numerical majority, GC's.!!