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[humanist]

agreed with GR

[YFred]

Spot on. Unfortunately the Europeans proved to be more rigid then cleverer.

What is clear is that the EU complicated matters hugely by letting a divided Cyprus join. “Had [the EU] been less rigid and cleverer, it would have lifted the sanctions long ago and thereby minimised the dependency of northern Cyprus on Ankara

Bollocks. The "trnc" is a pseudo state that 100% depends on Turkey because without the Turkish troops to illegally occupy the north part of Republic of Cyprus the pseudo state could not exist.

Therefore the argument that lifting the sanctions on the pseudo state would make TCs less dependent on Turkey is total nonsense.

You are rather confusing the purpose of the Turkish Troops in the north and the TCs economic survival.
First of all the purpose of the Turkish troops is to protect the TCs from the GC military attack in the absence of a peace deal. When it is signed, they will be removed.

Secondly, the TCs total reliance on Turkey economically is the direct consequence of isolation. The reason the GC government has blocked them so far is their fear that if TCs become economically independent, they will not want to unite with the GCs and will want independence.

These two negatives have done more to push the Cypriots further apart then anything else. The longer they exist, the more difficult the unification becomes. Sooner or later it will be impossible.

If this is not so, why do you so vehemently object to isolation removal?

[EPSILON]

"What is clear is that the EU complicated matters hugely by letting a divided Cyprus join. “Had [the EU] been less rigid and cleverer, it would have lifted the sanctions long ago and thereby minimised the dependency of northern Cyprus on Ankara,” argues Yavuz Baydar, a commentator.

It’s not a “divided Cyprus” that entered the EU, but the single legitimate Republic of Cyprus with 37% of its territory under illegal Turkish occupation.

That some Turkish Cypriots cannot comprehend this, or pretend not to comprehend it, is irrelevant to reality and their problem entirely.

As you can understand the point here is not to convist each other (G/cs) but to notice the results of our and particularly Mainland Greece foreign policy.Of course Economist representing certain politics however I feel that basic points of Cyprus problem have not yet been understood/appreciated by many foreign policy makers.This is our problem which has nothing to do with the number of tanks we have or not have. The mainland Greece governmnts (particularly foeign ministers) must be clearly considered responsible for this situation and G/cs staying in Greece have to stop to deal with micro politics of who is president of the union of Cypriots of Greece and to start to push , using their voting power in order to demand more carefull policy from these ministers.With the agreement of all olitical parties in Greece (my personal opinion) Cyprus problem is the last thing on hich the Grek government work on and this by the acceptance of Cyprus government (the last considering that this is increasing the idependence of Cyprus as state but actually living Cyprus small state to fight alone in the international arrena.

[humanist]

Allow all Cypriot refugees to return to their homes and allow them the freedom in the country and you will not be faced with economic embargoes ........... really simple stuff

[Viewpoint]

(LETTER SENT TO ECONOMIST)

Dear sir

I wish to congratulate your esteemed publication The Economist and there analysis of the divided island of Cyprus (A Hawkish problem, April 23rd 2009). It clearly identifys the issues currently at hand and the devlopments leading to the impass.

The Greek Cypriots have worked very hard over the past 5 years to demonize the Annan Plan as it did not give them what they desired a Greek Cypriot state over not 63% but 100% of the island reducing Turkish Cypriots to what they believe is their rightful place, minority status.

Now that they have wormed their way into the EU using Greece they hope the solution they demand will just drop out of the sky on a plate c/o of the EU. To this end they feel that using their newly found toy leverage over Turkey will get them what they so long for. They naively forget that Turkey is a major power in the region as acknowledged by the USA and will not stand for 700.000 GCs blocking their way into the EU if that was their current goal, which at the moment it is clearly not, if we take into account Turkeys stance on the ports issue and lack of progress in closing EU aquis chapters this clearly indicates that EU accession is on a back burner therefore nulifying GC leverage.

Sanctions are a stadistic way for Greek Cypriots to make us pay for their loss of land and control over the North of the island which we must never forget also belongs to Turkish Cypriots, they conveniently forget our losses until 2004 continued to tell the world only their side of the story, never once admitting their wrongs towards the Turkish Cypriots. The whole situaiton has now changed due to our acceptence of the Annan plan, a UN brokered Comprehensive Solution backed by the world including Greece. Countries are now waking up to the fact that their are 2 sides and that Greek Cypriots have been peddling a one sided version of the story to gain their ultimate goal of exluding Turkish Cypriots and controling the whole island.

One again I and many Turkish Cypriots thank you for your balanced article and seeing the realities which this island faces at the hands of a hostile and revenge seeking Greek Cypriot "majority".

[EPSILON]

Spot on. Unfortunately the Europeans proved to be more rigid then cleverer.

What is clear is that the EU complicated matters hugely by letting a divided Cyprus join. “Had [the EU] been less rigid and cleverer, it would have lifted the sanctions long ago and thereby minimised the dependency of northern Cyprus on Ankara

Bollocks. The "trnc" is a pseudo state that 100% depends on Turkey because without the Turkish troops to illegally occupy the north part of Republic of Cyprus the pseudo state could not exist.

Therefore the argument that lifting the sanctions on the pseudo state would make TCs less dependent on Turkey is total nonsense.

You are rather confusing the purpose of the Turkish Troops in the north and the TCs economic survival.
First of all the purpose of the Turkish troops is to protect the TCs from the GC military attack in the absence of a peace deal. When it is signed, they will be removed.

Secondly, the TCs total reliance on Turkey economically is the direct consequence of isolation. The reason the GC government has blocked them so far is their fear that if TCs become economically independent, they will not want to unite with the GCs and will want independence.

These two negatives have done more to push the Cypriots further apart then anything else. The longer they exist, the more difficult the unification becomes. Sooner or later it will be impossible.

If this is not so, why do you so vehemently object to isolation removal?

Dear
if you consider ROC as the reason of your isolation why you do not trade with the rest 190 or so countries in the World? Please recheck the reason of your isolation and understand that ROC has not the power to apply same. Isolation is a result of the actions of generals of Ankara which happen to not be accepted by int community- There is int law to which you have to comply and then isolation will be lifted immdly not by ROC but by Int community.

[EPSILON]

(LETTER SENT TO ECONOMIST)

Dear sir

I wish to congratulate your esteemed publication The Economist and there analysis of the divided island of Cyprus (A Hawkish problem, April 23rd 2009). It clearly identifys the issues currently at hand and the devlopments leading to the impass.

The Greek Cypriots have worked very hard over the past 5 years to demonize the Annan Plan as it did not give them what they desired a Greek Cypriot state over not 63% but 100% of the island reducing Turkish Cypriots to what they believe is their rightful place, minority status.

Now that they have wormed their way into the EU using Greece they hope the solution they demand will just drop out of the sky on a plate c/o of the EU. To this end they feel that using their newly found toy leverage over Turkey will get them what they so long for. They naively forget that Turkey is a major power in the region as acknowledged by the USA and will not stand for 700.000 GCs blocking their way into the EU if that was their current goal, which at the moment it is clearly not, if we take into account Turkeys stance on the ports issue and lack of progress in closing EU aquis chapters this clearly indicates that EU accession is on a back burner therefore nulifying GC leverage.

Sanctions are a stadistic way for Greek Cypriots to make us pay for their loss of land and control over the North of the island which we must never forget also belongs to Turkish Cypriots, they conveniently forget our losses until 2004 continued to tell the world only their side of the story, never once admitting their wrongs towards the Turkish Cypriots. The whole situaiton has now changed due to our acceptence of the Annan plan, a UN brokered Comprehensive Solution backed by the world including Greece. Countries are now waking up to the fact that their are 2 sides and that Greek Cypriots have been peddling a one sided version of the story to gain their ultimate goal of exluding Turkish Cypriots and controling the whole island.

One again I and many Turkish Cypriots thank you for your balanced article and seeing the realities which this island faces at the hands of a hostile and revenge seeking Greek Cypriot "majority".

Well, the case finally became a joke!!!!

[Get Real!]

First of all the purpose of the Turkish troops is to protect the TCs from the GC military attack in the absence of a peace deal. When it is signed, they will be removed.

And then what? Invite them back and forth as you see fit when you don't get your way?

Forget it Y-Fronts! Those TCs that cannot or will not become Cypriots would be better off moving out of Cyprus altogether because sovereign countries don’t work this way.

Secondly, the TCs total reliance on Turkey economically is the direct consequence of isolation.

It's an INTERNATIONALLY LEGAL isolation of the Republic’s occupied territory. Get over it...

The reason the GC government has blocked them so far is their fear that if TCs become economically independent, they will not want to unite with the GCs and will want independence.

The reason was given to you above, so stop patting yourselves on the back thinking that you're some kind of "business experts that the RoC fears", because TCs are generally hopeless in trade & commerce. Believe it!

If this is not so, why do you so vehemently object to isolation removal?

If and when full RoC control is established on her occupied territory then she will do whatever she thinks fit with it and not before. End of story.

[YFred]

First of all the purpose of the Turkish troops is to protect the TCs from the GC military attack in the absence of a peace deal. When it is signed, they will be removed.

And then what? Invite them back and forth as you see fit when you don't get your way?

Forget it Y-Fronts! Those TCs that cannot or will not become Cypriots would be better off moving out of Cyprus altogether because sovereign countries don’t work this way.

Secondly, the TCs total reliance on Turkey economically is the direct consequence of isolation.

It's an INTERNATIONALLY LEGAL isolation of the Republic’s occupied territory. Get over it...

The reason the GC government has blocked them so far is their fear that if TCs become economically independent, they will not want to unite with the GCs and will want independence.

The reason was given to you above, so stop patting yourselves on the back thinking that you're some kind of "business experts that the RoC fears", because TCs are generally hopeless in trade & commerce. Believe it!

If this is not so, why do you so vehemently object to isolation removal?

If and when full RoC control is established on her occupied territory then she will do whatever she thinks fit with it and not before. End of story.

Gharos du Rizokarpazo, if we are so bad, what have you got to fear. EU wanted to remove the isolation, and your Babadobillos, blocked it.
One just wanders how much longer?
BTW some us are coming to Cyprus, and soon.

[bill cobbett]

(LETTER SENT TO ECONOMIST)

Dear sir

Perhaps The Economist's unnamed analyst was treated to a few too many rakis in Istantbul, which might explain their confusion in relation to the incredibly complex issue of Cyprus (A Hawkish problem, The Economist, April 23rd 2009). As a publication that prides itself on the quality of its news analysis I'm sure you'll welcome therefore this intervention to help set your analyst straight.

In regards to the Annan Plan – which you're still carping on about a full five years after the event – the overwhelming majority of the people of Cyprus exercised their democratic right to reject it. Why? Because suddenly, after decades of Turkish intransigence, a last-minute botch was presented aimed at exonerating an invading power for her crimes, just before Cyprus – having met all the accession criteria – joined the European Union. Over 75% of the electorate in the areas not under the control of Turkey's military said "No", an irrefutable indicator of the plan's relative merits as an equitable solution.

The plan was rejected because it sought to restrict the rights of Cypriots to have their property restored and to settle freely within their own homeland. It would have entrenched a repulsive system of apartheid on a tiny island and legitimised the presence of foreign occupation troops in perpetuity. No freedom-loving people in Europe, or the world, would have accepted such a settlement – except perhaps through desperation of a kind faced by Cypriots in the north under foreign military rule.

Not letting Cyprus into the European Union because more than a third of her territory remained occupied by a massive foreign army, in breach of dozens of UN Security Council resolutions, would have been unjust and against European principles.

Cyprus as a whole joined the European Union but with the acquis communautaire suspended in the north while the legitimate government of the island's entire territory is unable to exercise effective control. Lifting sanctions against and easing trade restrictions with this occupied territory has nothing to do with "rigidity" or not being "clever" but with respecting the wishes of a full member state. There is no trade with the northern part of Cyprus that cannot be undertaken through legitimate means and via legitimate ports of entry.

The government of Cyprus has made clear to its European partners the absurdity of proceeding with Turkey's accession while its military maintains upwards of 40,000 troops on European Union soil. And why shouldn't it? Cyprus has been held hostage by Turkey for more than 35 years, and the world has done nothing. Now that Cyprus is safely in the European Union, who can blame her for wanting to hold Turkey’s entry talks hostage until justice is done? She doesn’t have a massive army or powerful friends to take back what is rightly hers. Unlike Kuwait, the only oil she has is made from olives.

Perhaps the European Union has complicated matters for Turkey, by letting Cyprus join, but perhaps matters needed to be made complicated. And they certainly eased matters somewhat for a small island, at the mercy of an aggressive regional power for centuries.

Re KyproYero, aman se tho, tha se fileeso. Bravo re.