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[offlimits2]

Believing means , if you deny completly that God didn't send Old testement (torah) New testemant (Bible)... then you are not muslim.

muslims must believe that Those books were Inspiration of God.


now, it is very obvious that books got corrupted by people for their personal benefits. for eg Power.. etc

In Islam.. You dont' need to follow any moula, imam or priest..

you have to follow Quran and how Mohammad Peace be upon him explained Quran..

not like christians...... you give money to Priest to pray for you.. imagining Priest is near to God.

[denizaksulu]

Believing means , if you deny completly that God didn't send Old testement (torah) New testemant (Bible)... then you are not muslim.

muslims must believe that Those books were Inspiration of God.


now, it is very obvious that books got corrupted by people for their personal benefits. for eg Power.. etc

In Islam.. You dont' need to follow any moula, imam or priest..

you have to follow Quran and how Mohammad Peace be upon him explained Quran..

not like christians...... you give money to Priest to pray for you.. imagining Priest is near to God.

You do say that, but the Hadith-i Sherif rules the Islamic world. How many tafsirs are there. So many hadith's were written, why do the religious leaders use them.

[offlimits2]

Believing means , if you deny completly that God didn't send Old testement (torah) New testemant (Bible)... then you are not muslim.

muslims must believe that Those books were Inspiration of God.


now, it is very obvious that books got corrupted by people for their personal benefits. for eg Power.. etc

In Islam.. You dont' need to follow any moula, imam or priest..

you have to follow Quran and how Mohammad Peace be upon him explained Quran..

not like christians...... you give money to Priest to pray for you.. imagining Priest is near to God.

You do say that, but the Hadith-i Sherif rules the Islamic world. How many tafsirs are there. So many hadith's were written, why do the religious leaders use them.

It is good to know that you know what is Hadis-sharif..
then you must know the science of Hadis-sharif..
each Hadis is investigated... with narrators family.. friends and analyzed.

and then its called "Sahih" which means correct . which means. one hadis has been narrated by many.
if there is one single narrator.. then that is considered week ..

i m glad that i m talking to a person.. who knows stuf.. Glad from depth of my heart..

but Quran is locked and can never be altered. it is saved in millions of heart..

find me one person .. i m askng just 1.. please do me at least this favor for me. ... find me 1 .. who has memorized Bible


Don't you see. the muslims prayer is unique example.. it is prayed in same languages same order .. regardless of race, color, ethinic origin or your mother tongue..

[denizaksulu]

Believing means , if you deny completly that God didn't send Old testement (torah) New testemant (Bible)... then you are not muslim.

muslims must believe that Those books were Inspiration of God.


now, it is very obvious that books got corrupted by people for their personal benefits. for eg Power.. etc

In Islam.. You dont' need to follow any moula, imam or priest..

you have to follow Quran and how Mohammad Peace be upon him explained Quran..

not like christians...... you give money to Priest to pray for you.. imagining Priest is near to God.

You do say that, but the Hadith-i Sherif rules the Islamic world. How many tafsirs are there. So many hadith's were written, why do the religious leaders use them.

It is good to know that you know what is Hadis-sharif..
then you must know the science of Hadis-sharif..
each Hadis is investigated... with narrators family.. friends and analyzed.

and then its called "Sahih" which means correct . which means. one hadis has been narrated by many.
if there is one single narrator.. then that is considered week ..

i m glad that i m talking to a person.. who knows stuf.. Glad from depth of my heart..

but Quran is locked and can never be altered. it is saved in millions of heart..

find me one person .. i m askng just 1.. please do me at least this favor for me. ... find me 1 .. who has memorized Bible


Don't you see. the muslims prayer is unique example.. it is prayed in same languages same order .. regardless of race, color, ethinic origin or your mother tongue..

It is the Hadith that has turned me. Who is to say that one is 'Sahih' while the others are not. People themselves are gullible as you mentioned before. How many witnesses were there of the Rasuls life to be able to put it down in writing.

We have read of the miracles which helped Rasul-Allah (pbuh) escape from his detractors. We are told that he was saved from his enemies after he had hidden in a cave by a spiders web. When the pursuers found the cave in which he was hidden, they said, 'he surely cannot have hidden in here', there is a spiders web (cobweb) over the entrance on the cave.
Two years ago, I tried leaving through my front door, to go to the front garden, and what did I see? The front of my porch was covered by a giant cobweb. What a miracle. I immediately thought of 'The Great Escape'.


Now I will burn in HELL. Give me a break please.

[DT.]

Please use the spell checker. There is a big difference in 'cursification' and 'cricifiction.

Did Mohammed (pbuh) write the al-Koran. NO. So what is written is also hearsay like the Bible. But the Koran tells you to believe in the Holy books sent by Allah. You are one confused dude. You cannot criticise the Bible and believe in the Koran at the same time.

That's what I was trying to explain to him earlier (in vain ), that the Bible is consisted by the New & Old Testaments.

No sir.. I m not confused at all..

Bring me the bible .. not edited by human.. i will accept it.

There is a big difference in 'cursification' and 'cricifiction.

exactly my point.. it is fiction... bible was written 300 yrs after Jesus Peace be upon him.. yes or no.. ? can u answer me?

now tell me something..

one of the earliest computer was x86 , then 286, then 386, then 486. Please were upgrading all the time there was new version coming up right


when God Almighty sent a book, Torah (old testement) believers were called Jews, out of those believers.. , when Jesus Peace be upon him .. came. with new book (but not new law) .. they accepted him , they were called Christians. (right?)
same goes for Mohammad peace be upon him.. he brought same message different law. and this is the last book.

it is simple logic.. why are u stuck on 386.. .... God Almighty .. why did he sent Jesus.. ? what was the reason..

conclusion... "i leave it on you"

So if each religion that arrived was an upgrade from the previous one, how do you know we all shouldn't be followers of scientology now?

[denizaksulu]

Please use the spell checker. There is a big difference in 'cursification' and 'cricifiction.

Did Mohammed (pbuh) write the al-Koran. NO. So what is written is also hearsay like the Bible. But the Koran tells you to believe in the Holy books sent by Allah. You are one confused dude. You cannot criticise the Bible and believe in the Koran at the same time.

That's what I was trying to explain to him earlier (in vain ), that the Bible is consisted by the New & Old Testaments.

No sir.. I m not confused at all..

Bring me the bible .. not edited by human.. i will accept it.

There is a big difference in 'cursification' and 'cricifiction.

exactly my point.. it is fiction... bible was written 300 yrs after Jesus Peace be upon him.. yes or no.. ? can u answer me?

now tell me something..

one of the earliest computer was x86 , then 286, then 386, then 486. Please were upgrading all the time there was new version coming up right


when God Almighty sent a book, Torah (old testement) believers were called Jews, out of those believers.. , when Jesus Peace be upon him .. came. with new book (but not new law) .. they accepted him , they were called Christians. (right?)
same goes for Mohammad peace be upon him.. he brought same message different law. and this is the last book.

it is simple logic.. why are u stuck on 386.. .... God Almighty .. why did he sent Jesus.. ? what was the reason..

conclusion... "i leave it on you"

So if each religion that arrived was an upgrade from the previous one, how do you know we all shouldn't be followers of scientology now?

DT, you are confusing the issue here. Computers are 'man made'; I think!!

[insan]

offlimits2, Selamün Aleyküm gardash;

What's ur opinions about Iran Islamic Republic, governing a state with Sharia laws and freedom of faith in Iran?

[offlimits2]

My Opinion:

our friend "denizaksulu" had problem with say Bismillah before everything or before eating food. and he questioned if God is realy mercifull.
he got tired of it and he doesn't believe in it.. (thats what i concluded from conversations) so, at the end what happened.. .... he stoped doing it and he became against..

now Iran is the similar example. when you force a nation or child to do something and you don't educate them about it.. End is disastarous. beside the fact, that western media is waiting for such events to occour so that they can ignite hatred ...

also, iranians , as soon as they come out of country they become athiest... becausethey are tired.

but on the contrary........ If they are educated , about Creator, God, his wisdom.. tolrenace for other religions , and so and so forth..
you don't need to prohibit alcohol , because when you know God's word and when you know that you have to face God Almighty after death. then sharia or no sharia law is already in ur heart..

and don't forget,........... that good and bad exist adn will exist..... Guidance is from God not from me or you speaking about God.

Gudance is for who seeks truth.. and at the end of the day, we will be rewarded for our efforts not for our successes.

so, do your job, to let people know about God, one who wants to burn in fire.. leave it to be his choice..

and yes. Muslims job is to deliever the message.. same message which started from Abraham.. Worship One God. , same by Moses same by Jesus same by Mohammad (peace be upon all of them)

[Dr J]

not like christians...... you give money to Priest to pray for you.. imagining Priest is near to God.

Offlimits, Christians give as much or little to their local church, if they like, to help it run and keep up the good it does. Away from the bad press Christianity gets these days, (because its trendy and people are scared of doing the same about Islam, incase some backwards nutcase wants to blow you up or an Ayatollah orders a death sentence on you), the Church does a lot of good in society.

For Greeks it was fundamental in upkeeping our culture and preventing the oppressive muslim regime of the Ottoman Empire in forcing us to Islam.

imagining Priest is near to God.

I think your talking about the Pope and Catholicism. We are (mostly) Orthodox Christians. Its a shame that so many Muslims preach to know so much and are claim to be so righteous, yet many are ignorant and miseducated beyond belief.

find me one person .. i m askng just 1.. please do me at least this favor for me. ... find me 1 .. who has memorized Bible

Dot Cotton

[Hatter]

Gudance is for who seeks truth.. and at the end of the day, we will be rewarded for our efforts not for our successes.

What do you believe is the reward "for our efforts", offlimits2?