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[kurupetos]

offlimits, have you ever read the new testimony?

Well, offlimits2, have you ever read the new testament?

[oranos64]

Boys the bible is so full of mis conceptions it just doesnt hold water ... the Koran on the other hand is taught in nations where 90% of population will never question it ....freedom is something frown upon ...the Koran preachers use these weak minded imperciles to carry out murder in the name of cleansing or enforcing their rule ...see the state of the Swat valley in pakistan lately ...women and young girls beaten and killed etc

seriously if god wanted these acts carried out would he not have done them himself

my other point is ...in the near 1000 years of Islam ..what science ,medicine ,or indeed creativity has come form Islamic countries

sorry i cant and see no evidence ...nations like saudi arabia ,pakistan ,friends of the west ...have carried out serious human right violations .(china too but thats a different subject) ...yet no one cautions them

but i note that the new overseas - hiliary clinton ...speach ...points to pakistan being considered a threat

indeed US defence advisors are advising on parkistans status as a threat

could we see serveral nations added to lthe list of western threats ....ie parkistan with N korea ..

[dinos]

Do you drink alcohol? What about touching or looking at naked flesh?

Check and check. We should create our own religion, Hazza.

[offlimits2]

offlimits, have you ever read the new testimony?

yes... i do time to time for comparison but i have only king James version
and also Jehovas' witness version

i guess orthodox version is not very different from this right?

but Quran... is really different than any story book, any holy book and any book that can exist....

if you would like to konw why... we can discuss.

[offlimits2]

Albert said that? When?

What's the matter Bananiot... worried that Einstein believed in a creator? Of course he did, because only he knew how little he knew…

thanks man.. thanks for understanding...

[offlimits2]

direct quote from eddie griffen .....both islam and christianity have the same message .....delievered by two different persons ....now who cares about the carrier ...did you get the message ? did you get the message ?

the difference is both are corrupt and twisted religions managed by the most evil messagers in the world ,

i can prove you 1 million ways that Quran is not corroupt.

muslims: you can find good and bad in very religion and society
but an inteligent person doesn't make is mind by seeing bad example ..because you are suppose to be using your top floor (brain) and judge the reality. right?

now ... if you don't wnat to use it. and keep it new . its upto u

[offlimits2]

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the Old Testament:

The Qur’an mentions in Surah Al-Araf chapter 7 verse 157:

"Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures) in the law and the Gospel".


1.
MUHAMMAD (PBUH) PROPHESISED IN THE BOOK OF DEUTERONOMY:

Almighty God speaks to Moses in Book of Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18:

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."

The Christians say that this prophecy refers to Jesus (pbuh) because Jesus (pbuh) was like Moses (pbuh). Moses (pbuh) was a Jew, as well as Jesus (pbuh) was a Jew. Moses (pbuh) was a Prophet and Jesus (pbuh) was also a Prophet.

If these two are the only criteria for this prophecy to be fulfilled, then all the Prophets of the Bible who came after
Moses (pbuh) such as Solomon, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, Hosea, Joel, Malachi, John the Baptist, etc. (pbut) will
fulfill this prophecy since all were Jews as well as prophets.

However, it is Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who is like Moses (pbuh):


i)
Both had a father and a mother, while Jesus (pbuh) was born miraculously without any male intervention.

[Mathew 1:18 and Luke 1:35 and also Al-Qur'an 3:42-47]


ii)
Both were married and had children. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not marry nor had children.

iii)
Both died natural deaths. Jesus (pbuh) has been raised up alive. (4:157-158)

Muhammad (pbuh) is from among the brethren of Moses (pbuh). Arabs are brethren of Jews. Abraham (pbuh) had two sons: Ishmail and Isaac (pbut). The Arabs are the descendants of Ishmail (pbuh) and the Jews are the descendants of Isaac (pbuh).

Words in the mouth:

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was unlettered and whatever revelations he received from Almighty God he repeated them verbatim.

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."

[Deuteronomy 18:18]


iv)
Both besides being Prophets were also kings i.e. they could inflict capital punishment. Jesus (pbuh) said, "My kingdom is not of this world." (John 18:36).

v)
Both were accepted as Prophets by their people in their lifetime but Jesus (pbuh) was rejected by his
people. John chapter 1 verse 11 states, "He came unto his own, but his own received him not."

iv)
Both brought new laws and new regulations for their people. Jesus (pbuh) according to the Bible did not bring any new laws. (Mathew 5:17-18).

2.
It is Mentioned in the book of Deuteronomy chapter 18:19

"And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not harken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him."


3.
Muhammad (pbuh) is prophesised in the book of Isaiah:

It is mentioned in the book of Isaiah chapter 29 verse 12:

"And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned."

When Archangel Gabrail commanded Muhammad (pbuh) by saying Iqra - "Read", he replied, "I am not learned".


4.
prophet Muhammad (pbuh) mentioned by name in the old testament:

Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is mentioned by name in the Song of Solomon chapter 5 verse 16:

"Hikko Mamittakim we kullo Muhammadim Zehdoodeh wa Zehraee Bayna Jerusalem."

"His mouth is most sweet: yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters
of Jerusalem."

In the Hebrew language im is added for respect. Similarely im is added after the name of Prophet Muhammad
(pbuh) to make it Muhammadim. In English translation they have even translated the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as "altogether lovely", but in the Old Testament in Hebrew, the name of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is yet present.


Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in the New Testament:

Al-Qur'an Chapter 61 Verse 6:

"And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said, 'O Children of Israel! I am the messenger of Allah (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me and giving glad tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name shall be Ahmed.' But when he came to them with clear signs, they said, 'This is evident sorcery!' "

All the prophecies mentioned in the Old Testament regarding Muhammad (pbuh) besides applying to the Jews also hold good for the Christians.


1.
John chapter 14 verse 16:
"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever."

2.
Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:

"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which
proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me."

3.
Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 7:

"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; it is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not
come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".

"Ahmed" or "Muhammad" meaning "the one who praises" or "the praised one" is almost the translation of the
Greek word Periclytos. In the Gospel of John 14:16, 15:26, and 16:7. The word 'Comforter' is used in the English translation for the Greek word Paracletos which means advocate or a kind friend rather than a comforter.
Paracletos is the warped reading for Periclytos. Jesus (pbuh) actually prophesised Ahmed by name. Even the
Greek word Paraclete refers to the Prophet (pbuh) who is a mercy for all creatures.

Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realise
that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the
Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet
Muhammad (pbuh).


4.
Gospel of John chapter 16 verse 12-14:

"I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth is
come, he will guide you unto all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me".

The Sprit of Truth, spoken about in this prophecy referes to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)
NOTE: All quotations of the Bible are taken from the King James Version.

[Bananiot]

What is your point GR?

[kurupetos]

offlimits, have you ever read the new testimony?

yes... i do time to time for comparison but i have only king James version
and also Jehovas' witness version

i guess orthodox version is not very different from this right?

but Quran... is really different than any story book, any holy book and any book that can exist....

if you would like to konw why... we can discuss.

There is nothing to discuss, I read the Quran a couple of times. It is a load of bollocks written by an uneducated junkie and pervert. Didn't he have 100+ women? Doesn't that ring a bell for you? http://www.wikiislam.com/wiki/72_Virgins

[denizaksulu]

Of course not, offlimits2. Einstein was a pantheist, never a theist nor a deist. What he said was that "God" was the set of physical laws that govern the universe. I do not think, however, that Einstein was praying to the law of gravity. Do you?

No i don't.. I pray to Single God . God Almighty the creator of Universe and the only God which gave us logic and understanding and his Books to guide us through our life and then face him on the day of Judgement.

When you say the (Besmele) Bismillah, do you really believe that God is merciful and full of benevolence?