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Behind every great man, is a woman! ... or so the maxim goes!

....... And there were many great men fighting for Freedom for Cyprus, under the EOKA banner.

So who were the brave women in the background? What did they do? How did they help?

Let's hear it for the EOKA Heroines ....

Yes, deep deep down in the ground they are really are nice people.

May God have mercy on their sin ridden murderous souls

'Deep deep down in the ground' is where Turkey likes to put all Freedom Fighters ...

Freedom is anathema to Good Turks like Gabira!

[RAFAELLA]

They look so innocent and so ordinary human beings, and yet they are murderers and murderesses. What kind of brainwashing is needed to convert such innocent looking people to murdering?

Did they go to church just before they murdered or did they go after to wash away the guilt?

Merderers???
I guess you have to consider the majority of Gcs murderers since they supported EOKA in every possible way.

[miltiades]

They look so innocent and so ordinary human beings, and yet they are murderers and murderesses. What kind of brainwashing is needed to convert such innocent looking people to murdering?

Did they go to church just before they murdered or did they go after to wash away the guilt?

The murderers are those who invaded, oppressed and exploited our island, not those who fought the foreign Imperialists for the freedom of the Cypriot people from the foreign rulers.

I wonder, were those who fought against the Nazis (and killed many of them) murderers? Where all those other nations that revolted against the British, Ottomans and the rest of the Imperialists, murderers?

Only a foreigner enemy of Cyprus could call murders those who fought against the foreign rulers of our island for the freedom and self-determination of the Cypriot people.

If you are affiliated with the invaders and oppressors of Cyprus rather than the Cypriot people, then it is you who should feel guilty for your crimes against Cyprus.

There is no excuse on earth for murdering. Ghandi did not go around murdering and got independence for India.

Fred , why on earth should a struggle for liberation be classed as terrorism. As far as EOKA being murderers I can assure you that only in the eyes of those brainwashed by their own political propaganda machine was any member of EOKA a murderer. We are of course talking about EOKA not EOKA B.
My own brother was an active member who participated in active action , he wouldnt harm a fly , he is as gentle as you can possibly imagine .
The struggle was one of libeartion of getting rid of the British occupation , the goal was not the correct one with hindsight but the struggle was fully justified. Are you saying that we should have remained inactive and continue as people to be dominated and ruled by a foreign country.
The T/Cs are at the moment ruled and dictated to right now by a foreign country , I doubt whether they will remain oblivious to their graduial assimilation , or rather extinction by Turkey.Sooner or later they will rebel , take it from me its a matter of time before more and more voices are raised against the Turkish occupation.

Back to EOKA now and the struggle. NOT EOKA B .
Contrary to some inaccurate reports that the identity of DIGENIS was known prior to the start of the struggle on April 1st 1955 , his real name was not known until the General Secretary of the Greek (mainland) Communist party Zachariades announced on radio in mid April 1955 the identity of DIGENIS as well as denigrating the struggle and cursing the EOKA movement . Notable too is the action of the then Mayor of Nicosia ,
and AKEL member Y. Christodoulide who following the April 1st commencement of action against the British , he obliged to pay a visit to the Governors office and express outrage at the attacks by EOKA adding that AKEL was against violence .
AKEL continued to be against the struggle by active means as well as by its own propaganda that refered to KARAOLIS and DEMETRIOU as murderers and terrorists.
Mihail KARAOLIS , 22 years old , and Andreas DEMETRIOU age 23 were both hanged by the British on May 10 1956 . Both were active EOKA members .
I better also mention the Cypriot Police force in 1954 amounted to 1551 , of which some 930 were G/Cs and 574 T/Cs , a further 47 were from the much smaller communities.

By 1958 the number of Cypriot police had risen to 5475 of which G/Cs were 930, T/Cs 3832 British 657 , others 56.
Its clear here that the notorious British dogma of divide and rule was in full swing.
Let me also say that the Greek government of Papagos was strongly against the struggle worrying that it might damage Greeces relations with Britain , so Greece did not sell us down the river once but on at least three occasions.

Yet we dreamed of ENOSIS with our " motherland" that apart of History books written by Greeks we knew nothing about this foreign nation that we wanted to become a part of and ruled by .As a result of our own actions we invited another foreign nation to our shores , the present occupier of 40% of our island . The occupier who has committed every humanitarian crime not least on the people for whose "safety" she claims her invasion . She begun to earnestly alter the demographics of our island , we have witnessed the kangaroo elections voted by NON CYPRIOTS but by their own misfortunate stooges.

[YFred]

They look so innocent and so ordinary human beings, and yet they are murderers and murderesses. What kind of brainwashing is needed to convert such innocent looking people to murdering?

Did they go to church just before they murdered or did they go after to wash away the guilt?

The murderers are those who invaded, oppressed and exploited our island, not those who fought the foreign Imperialists for the freedom of the Cypriot people from the foreign rulers.

I wonder, were those who fought against the Nazis (and killed many of them) murderers? Where all those other nations that revolted against the British, Ottomans and the rest of the Imperialists, murderers?

Only a foreigner enemy of Cyprus could call murders those who fought against the foreign rulers of our island for the freedom and self-determination of the Cypriot people.

If you are affiliated with the invaders and oppressors of Cyprus rather than the Cypriot people, then it is you who should feel guilty for your crimes against Cyprus.

There is no excuse on earth for murdering. Ghandi did not go around murdering and got independence for India.

Fred , why on earth should a struggle for liberation be classed as terrorism. As far as EOKA being murderers I can assure you that only in the eyes of those brainwashed by their own political propaganda machine was any member of EOKA a murderer. We are of course talking about EOKA not EOKA B.
My own brother was an active member who participated in active action , he wouldnt harm a fly , he is as gentle as you can possibly imagine .
The struggle was one of libeartion of getting rid of the British occupation , the goal was not the correct one with hindsight but the struggle was fully justified. Are you saying that we should have remained inactive and continue as people to be dominated and ruled by a foreign country.
The T/Cs are at the moment ruled and dictated to right now by a foreign country , I doubt whether they will remain oblivious to their graduial assimilation , or rather extinction by Turkey.Sooner or later they will rebel , take it from me its a matter of time before more and more voices are raised against the Turkish occupation.

Back to EOKA now and the struggle. NOT EOKA B .
Contrary to some inaccurate reports that the identity of DIGENIS was known prior to the start of the struggle on April 1st 1955 , his real name was not known until the General Secretary of the Greek (mainland) Communist party Zachariades announced on radio in mid April 1955 the identity of DIGENIS as well as denigrating the struggle and cursing the EOKA movement . Notable too is the action of the then Mayor of Nicosia ,
and AKEL member Y. Christodoulide who following the April 1st commencement of action against the British , he obliged to pay a visit to the Governors office and express outrage at the attacks by EOKA adding that AKEL was against violence .
AKEL continued to be against the struggle by active means as well as by its own propaganda that refered to KARAOLIS and DEMETRIOU as murderers and terrorists.
Mihail KARAOLIS , 22 years old , and Andreas DEMETRIOU age 23 were both hanged by the British on May 10 1956 . Both were active EOKA members .
I better also mention the Cypriot Police force in 1954 amounted to 1551 , of which some 930 were G/Cs and 574 T/Cs , a further 47 were from the much smaller communities.

By 1958 the number of Cypriot police had risen to 5475 of which G/Cs were 930, T/Cs 3832 British 657 , others 56.
Its clear here that the notorious British dogma of divide and rule was in full swing.
Let me also say that the Greek government of Papagos was strongly against the struggle worrying that it might damage Greeces relations with Britain , so Greece did not sell us down the river once but on at least three occasions.

Yet we dreamed of ENOSIS with our " motherland" that apart of History books written by Greeks we knew nothing about this foreign nation that we wanted to become a part of and ruled by .As a result of our own actions we invited another foreign nation to our shores , the present occupier of 40% of our island . The occupier who has committed every humanitarian crime not least on the people for whose "safety" she claims her invasion . She begun to earnestly alter the demographics of our island , we have witnessed the kangaroo elections voted by NON CYPRIOTS but by their own misfortunate stooges.

Milti,

Any armed struggle is based upon terrorising the people to submission. However killing people generally increases the resolve of the oppressor and they become more aggressive and oppressive.

For instance IRA did not have any tangible success whilst killing people. What brought the British Government to serious negotiations was the big bomb put in the City which caused 5 Billion worth of damage. Hurting the oppressor’s economic interests achieves better results quicker.

But what is really worrying is the blur between Eoka and Eoka-b and those who support Eoka, ignoring this connection. You have said many times that there is no comparison, however, there are people on this forum who support Eoka-B and what they did to the TCs from 63 to 74 and are justifying it. Eoka-B killed innocent civilians. Most were x-members of EOKA, so they were terrorist whichever you look at it.

[boomerang]

Hurting the oppressor’s economic interests achieves better results quicker.

so in short knucklehead you answered your questions re embargoes/isolations...

RoC entry to the EU seems to have atleast brought Turkey to the negotiation rather than the problem was solved in 1974 line...

[insan]

Miltiades wrote:

By 1958 the number of Cypriot police had risen to 5475 of which G/Cs were 930, T/Cs 3832 British 657 , others 56.
Its clear here that the notorious British dogma of divide and rule was in full swing.

Why divide and rule, Miltiades? EOKA began struggling for Enosis in 1955. TCs were against Enosis, beside a Greek-GC ruled Cyprus. Right? Under such circumstances, what's wrong with Brits recruiting TCs as police auxilaries? What's wrong with TCs who accepted to join British Police force to struggle against EOKA? What's wrong with establishment of TMT as a counter organization to EOKA?

Had there been no armed struggle between 2 underground organizations(I wish it didn't happen) and no Enosis/Taksim demands; there would have been still a problem.

As I always stated the essential of the problem is power sharing in Cyprus. TCs want equal power sharing on legislative and judicial bodies because all Turks and TCs r aware of that Hellenes haven't forgotten and forgiven 1453, 1571, 1974.

Our common past kills every possibility for TCs voluntarily accepting minority status or with ur words "equal citizenship" in Cyprus.

Keep considering ur EOKA fighters how u wish but don't forget that the leader of both EOKAs was the same man; even most probably vast majority of EOKA-B members were EOKA members.

Anyway, I hope at least u r aware of that no TCs accept EOKA as liberation fighters of Cyprus but maybe Kikapu and his like minded TCs; I'm not sre.

Miltiades wrote:

The T/Cs are at the moment ruled and dictated to right now by a foreign country , I doubt whether they will remain oblivious to their graduial assimilation , or rather extinction by Turkey.Sooner or later they will rebel , take it from me its a matter of time before more and more voices are raised against the Turkish occupation.

This is ur and ur leadership only dream; a part of Akritas plan. Fabian Tactics: "Economically isolate them till they rebel against our enemies and help us free our country from Turks." Keep pursuing the same policy. Vast majority of TCs emigrated because of economic difficulties they faced in Northern Cyprus not because they were against Turkey and the so-called occupation army. Those TCs r angry with GC-Greek leadership and ur foreign backers.

If u reckon that ur foreign backers give support to ur cause and demands bcz of u r the rightful side; u r mistaken. They abuse one of ur weaknesses for their own interests. It is a fact that GC-Greek leadership like this mutual interests game. Do they care abt the GC refugees? No of course.

[miltiades]

They look so innocent and so ordinary human beings, and yet they are murderers and murderesses. What kind of brainwashing is needed to convert such innocent looking people to murdering?

Did they go to church just before they murdered or did they go after to wash away the guilt?

The murderers are those who invaded, oppressed and exploited our island, not those who fought the foreign Imperialists for the freedom of the Cypriot people from the foreign rulers.

I wonder, were those who fought against the Nazis (and killed many of them) murderers? Where all those other nations that revolted against the British, Ottomans and the rest of the Imperialists, murderers?

Only a foreigner enemy of Cyprus could call murders those who fought against the foreign rulers of our island for the freedom and self-determination of the Cypriot people.

If you are affiliated with the invaders and oppressors of Cyprus rather than the Cypriot people, then it is you who should feel guilty for your crimes against Cyprus.

There is no excuse on earth for murdering. Ghandi did not go around murdering and got independence for India.

Fred , why on earth should a struggle for liberation be classed as terrorism. As far as EOKA being murderers I can assure you that only in the eyes of those brainwashed by their own political propaganda machine was any member of EOKA a murderer. We are of course talking about EOKA not EOKA B.
My own brother was an active member who participated in active action , he wouldnt harm a fly , he is as gentle as you can possibly imagine .
The struggle was one of libeartion of getting rid of the British occupation , the goal was not the correct one with hindsight but the struggle was fully justified. Are you saying that we should have remained inactive and continue as people to be dominated and ruled by a foreign country.
The T/Cs are at the moment ruled and dictated to right now by a foreign country , I doubt whether they will remain oblivious to their graduial assimilation , or rather extinction by Turkey.Sooner or later they will rebel , take it from me its a matter of time before more and more voices are raised against the Turkish occupation.

Back to EOKA now and the struggle. NOT EOKA B .
Contrary to some inaccurate reports that the identity of DIGENIS was known prior to the start of the struggle on April 1st 1955 , his real name was not known until the General Secretary of the Greek (mainland) Communist party Zachariades announced on radio in mid April 1955 the identity of DIGENIS as well as denigrating the struggle and cursing the EOKA movement . Notable too is the action of the then Mayor of Nicosia ,
and AKEL member Y. Christodoulide who following the April 1st commencement of action against the British , he obliged to pay a visit to the Governors office and express outrage at the attacks by EOKA adding that AKEL was against violence .
AKEL continued to be against the struggle by active means as well as by its own propaganda that refered to KARAOLIS and DEMETRIOU as murderers and terrorists.
Mihail KARAOLIS , 22 years old , and Andreas DEMETRIOU age 23 were both hanged by the British on May 10 1956 . Both were active EOKA members .
I better also mention the Cypriot Police force in 1954 amounted to 1551 , of which some 930 were G/Cs and 574 T/Cs , a further 47 were from the much smaller communities.

By 1958 the number of Cypriot police had risen to 5475 of which G/Cs were 930, T/Cs 3832 British 657 , others 56.
Its clear here that the notorious British dogma of divide and rule was in full swing.
Let me also say that the Greek government of Papagos was strongly against the struggle worrying that it might damage Greeces relations with Britain , so Greece did not sell us down the river once but on at least three occasions.

Yet we dreamed of ENOSIS with our " motherland" that apart of History books written by Greeks we knew nothing about this foreign nation that we wanted to become a part of and ruled by .As a result of our own actions we invited another foreign nation to our shores , the present occupier of 40% of our island . The occupier who has committed every humanitarian crime not least on the people for whose "safety" she claims her invasion . She begun to earnestly alter the demographics of our island , we have witnessed the kangaroo elections voted by NON CYPRIOTS but by their own misfortunate stooges.

Milti,

Any armed struggle is based upon terrorising the people to submission. However killing people generally increases the resolve of the oppressor and they become more aggressive and oppressive.

For instance IRA did not have any tangible success whilst killing people. What brought the British Government to serious negotiations was the big bomb put in the City which caused 5 Billion worth of damage. Hurting the oppressor’s economic interests achieves better results quicker.

But what is really worrying is the blur between Eoka and Eoka-b and those who support Eoka, ignoring this connection. You have said many times that there is no comparison, however, there are people on this forum who support Eoka-B and what they did to the TCs from 63 to 74 and are justifying it. Eoka-B killed innocent civilians. Most were x-members of EOKA, so they were terrorist whichever you look at it.

Fred , let me first tell you the difference between the EOKA liberation struggle and EOKA B's irresponsible and totaly catastrophic illegitimate actions that followed independence. Look at the IRA and the Real IRA . BIG DIFFERENCE WOUDNT YOU SAY SO !!
TMT on the other hand and the Grey Wolves are still in existence today , partitionists are demanding that a large part of our island is annexed to Turkey.
The 40 thousand foreign troops occupying the north of Cyprus are not welcomed either by the vast majority of T/Cs or G/Cs.
You even refer to "Turkish Ports , air and sea being closed for god sake , which Turkish ports Fred , the ones that Turkey by force occupied , Turkey DOES NOT have ports in Cyprus it occupies by force ports that could be opened for the benefit of the people. Opened they will , one day and soon when Turkey realizes that the benefits she would derive from being in the EU far outweigh the financial constrains that her occupied lands in Cyprus place on her.

[YFred]

Hurting the oppressor’s economic interests achieves better results quicker.

so in short knucklehead you answered your questions re embargoes/isolations...

RoC entry to the EU seems to have atleast brought Turkey to the negotiation rather than the problem was solved in 1974 line...

Bumbolla boy, you are like a blind deer. In what way has GCs brought Turkey to the negotiating table. You will lose your bet with insan and will end up as a TC yet.

[miltiades]

Miltiades wrote:

By 1958 the number of Cypriot police had risen to 5475 of which G/Cs were 930, T/Cs 3832 British 657 , others 56.
Its clear here that the notorious British dogma of divide and rule was in full swing.

Why divide and rule, Miltiades? EOKA began struggling for Enosis in 1955. TCs were against Enosis, beside a Greek-GC ruled Cyprus. Right? Under such circumstances, what's wrong with Brits recruiting TCs as police auxilaries? What's wrong with TCs who accepted to join British Police force to struggle against EOKA? What's wrong with establishment of TMT as a counter organization to EOKA?

Had there been no armed struggle between 2 underground organizations(I wish it didn't happen) and no Enosis/Taksim demands; there would have been still a problem.

As I always stated the essential of the problem is power sharing in Cyprus. TCs want equal power sharing on legislative and judicial bodies because all Turks and TCs r aware of that Hellenes haven't forgotten and forgiven 1453, 1571, 1974.

Our common past kills every possibility for TCs voluntarily accepting minority status or with ur words "equal citizenship" in Cyprus.

Keep considering ur EOKA fighters how u wish but don't forget that the leader of both EOKAs was the same man; even most probably vast majority of EOKA-B members were EOKA members.

Anyway, I hope at least u r aware of that no TCs accept EOKA as liberation fighters of Cyprus but maybe Kikapu and his like minded TCs; I'm not sre.

Miltiades wrote:

The T/Cs are at the moment ruled and dictated to right now by a foreign country , I doubt whether they will remain oblivious to their graduial assimilation , or rather extinction by Turkey.Sooner or later they will rebel , take it from me its a matter of time before more and more voices are raised against the Turkish occupation.

This is ur and ur leadership only dream; a part of Akritas plan. Fabian Tactics: "Economically isolate them till they rebel against our enemies and help us free our country from Turks." Keep pursuing the same policy. Vast majority of TCs emigrated because of economic difficulties they faced in Northern Cyprus not because they were against Turkey and the so-called occupation army. Those TCs r angry with GC-Greek leadership and ur foreign backers.

If u reckon that ur foreign backers give support to ur cause and demands bcz of u r the rightful side; u r mistaken. They abuse one of ur weaknesses for their own interests. It is a fact that GC-Greek leadership like this mutual interests game. Do they care abt the GC refugees? No of course.

All Cypriots as far as I'm concerned are the majority. The minute that a Cypriot becomes a Turk and a Greek , Armenian or Latin then of course one has to look as to the numbers that make up those who call themselves Greek , Turkish , Armenian etc. It looks as if the G/Cs are then the overwhelming majority , the T/Cs a size able minority and the rest a tiny minority. If you believe that the T/Cs are Turks first and then Cypriots then they are by definition based on numerical realities a minority and the Armenians and other an even smaller minority.
If however you are a Cypriot as I'm first and foremost and believes that my motherland is Cyprus then you are most certainly in the majority.
To hell with majorities , we are all Cypriots .
As far as the Brits using the T/Cs to fight against the EOKA movement , what would you say if the GERMANS DURING WORLD WAR TWO , used the minorities in the various countries that they occupied to fight those that were engaged in their liberation struggle , in France for instance they could have used the small minority of Algerians or even Jews .

[insan]

The 40 thousand foreign troops occupying the north of Cyprus are not welcomed either by the vast majority of T/Cs or G/Cs.

If u were right, vast majority of TC refugees would have returned to the so-called free areas on the first day check points opened. Not only TC refugees but other TCs too, would have asked refuge from the so-called RoC. Why haven't they done? Keep living in ur imaginative world, Milti.