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[Get Real!]

What about the use of the land on which "Ercan" airport is built? I understand most of that land is legally owned by a GC, who, of course, never gave permission for such use of their property.

Tymbou, the real name of that place, and all surrounding areas were 100% Greek Cypriot owned. I happen to be one of the owners of land there.

[Paphitis]

4. Furthermore, Turkey, in violation of the Chicago Convention on the International Civil Aviation, the constitutional instrument of ICAO, and its Annexes, to which 188 countries, including the Republic of Cyprus and Turkey, are States-Parties to and following a number of illegal acts after the Turkish invasion, proclaimed the establishment of “Ercan advisory service” which lies in the northern part of Nicosia FIR.

Paphitis ... How far can ICAO go with its members in terms of suspending ALL their rights to legally fly aircraft if they are violating its rules, as Turkey is with "Ercan"?

Basically since Turkey are in breach of these recognised rules of ICAO, to which they subscribe as members, ICAO should take away their license, or such like, so that Turkey cannot participate in ANY commercial flights.

After all they are compromised as legitimate/safe license holders ....

I know you are researching this ... and what you find may well blow Turkey out of the air!

There is nothing much to research here I'm afraid, because ICAO is just an arm of the UN which is responsible for setting international standards in Aviation Law, whereby member states of the Chicago Convention should abide by.

ICAO can only provide the RoC with the legal means to be able to declare certain ports not under her control as illegal ports of entry and thus preventing any direct international flights to and from the "trnc"

Why not slap a lawsuit on turkish cypriot airlines in Cyprus then? They've got plenty of assets in London including a rep office in Regent street.

This is a possibility, and the Apostolides ECJ ruling could also pave the way for Cypriot Airlines to seek compensation from Turkey.

Eurocypria are currently seeking subsidies from the RoC because it is unable to utilise ALL of the Nicosia FIR. It is also an EU requirement that Turkey must open the Ankara FIR to Cypriot registered aircraft.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... 6&cat_id=1

But the fact that the RoC might be considering subsidies for Eurocypria is probably got more to do with bypassing EU competition and fair trade rules in an effort to provide Eurocypria with urgently needed funds.

Cypriot Airlines could also file cases against Turkey within the ECJ if I'm not mistaken.

[Hatter]

What about the use of the land on which "Ercan" airport is built? I understand most of that land is legally owned by a GC, who, of course, never gave permission for such use of their property.

Tymbou, the real name of that place, and all surrounding areas were 100% Greek Cypriot owned. I happen to be one of the owners of land there.

GR, I hope it did not escape your notice that in my post "Ercan" is within quotation marks.

I am (partially) aware of the situation in the Tymbou area. Most of it has been flattened out by the turkish miltary, I gather.

[Get Real!]

What about the use of the land on which "Ercan" airport is built? I understand most of that land is legally owned by a GC, who, of course, never gave permission for such use of their property.

Tymbou, the real name of that place, and all surrounding areas were 100% Greek Cypriot owned. I happen to be one of the owners of land there.

GR, I hope it did not escape your notice that in my post "Ercan" is within quotation marks. I am (partially) aware of the situation in the Tymbou area. Most of it has been flattened out by the turkish miltary, I gather.

Unfortunately, I was able to observe via Google Earth, that our house and all the neighboring ones are no more. In fact most of the village has been flattened in total disrespect of my childhood, my ancestors, …our dead.

We do NOT forget…

[boulio]

im sorry GR.i cant understand Turks at all.The anomosity they have against greeks and cypriots in baffling to me.I mean the french and english,spanish and dutch,germans and poles have all had there history of anomosity but at the end the got along.Turks seem to stuck in a time warp the think they are in the 1500's.bosnian,serbs and croats who were killing each other less then 20 years ago and in larger numbers then ever in cyprus are civil to each other.The turks to no avail.

[Paphitis]

What about the use of the land on which "Ercan" airport is built? I understand most of that land is legally owned by a GC, who, of course, never gave permission for such use of their property.

Tymbou, the real name of that place, and all surrounding areas were 100% Greek Cypriot owned. I happen to be one of the owners of land there.

GR, I hope it did not escape your notice that in my post "Ercan" is within quotation marks. I am (partially) aware of the situation in the Tymbou area. Most of it has been flattened out by the turkish miltary, I gather.

Unfortunately, I was able to observe via Google Earth, that our house and all the neighboring ones are no more. In fact most of the village has been flattened in total disrespect of my childhood, my ancestors, …our dead.

We do NOT forget…

You should contact Achilleas Dimitriades and file a case within the ECHR if you have not done so already.

[DT.]

What about the use of the land on which "Ercan" airport is built? I understand most of that land is legally owned by a GC, who, of course, never gave permission for such use of their property.

Tymbou, the real name of that place, and all surrounding areas were 100% Greek Cypriot owned. I happen to be one of the owners of land there.

GR, I hope it did not escape your notice that in my post "Ercan" is within quotation marks. I am (partially) aware of the situation in the Tymbou area. Most of it has been flattened out by the turkish miltary, I gather.

Unfortunately, I was able to observe via Google Earth, that our house and all the neighboring ones are no more. In fact most of the village has been flattened in total disrespect of my childhood, my ancestors, …our dead.

We do NOT forget…

You should contact Achilleas Dimitriades and file a case within the ECHR if you have not done so already.

It takes a minimum of five years and you have to exhaust all local remedies first. WIth the fresh developments of today it might be better to go after a civil suit in Nicosia against them. We're looking into it for our land in Morphou and Kyrenia.

[Paphitis]

What about the use of the land on which "Ercan" airport is built? I understand most of that land is legally owned by a GC, who, of course, never gave permission for such use of their property.

Tymbou, the real name of that place, and all surrounding areas were 100% Greek Cypriot owned. I happen to be one of the owners of land there.

GR, I hope it did not escape your notice that in my post "Ercan" is within quotation marks. I am (partially) aware of the situation in the Tymbou area. Most of it has been flattened out by the turkish miltary, I gather.

Unfortunately, I was able to observe via Google Earth, that our house and all the neighboring ones are no more. In fact most of the village has been flattened in total disrespect of my childhood, my ancestors, …our dead.

We do NOT forget…

You should contact Achilleas Dimitriades and file a case within the ECHR if you have not done so already.

It takes a minimum of five years and you have to exhaust all local remedies first. WIth the fresh developments of today it might be better to go after a civil suit in Nicosia against them. We're looking into it for our land in Morphou and Kyrenia.

I had no idea about this.

My in laws filed in 2000 and the case has now progressed and a hearing is now imminent.

When they filed they did not have to exhaust any local remedies.

But still, if the person that is illegally using your property has assets in any EU country, you would have a field day...

[DT.]

What about the use of the land on which "Ercan" airport is built? I understand most of that land is legally owned by a GC, who, of course, never gave permission for such use of their property.

Tymbou, the real name of that place, and all surrounding areas were 100% Greek Cypriot owned. I happen to be one of the owners of land there.

GR, I hope it did not escape your notice that in my post "Ercan" is within quotation marks. I am (partially) aware of the situation in the Tymbou area. Most of it has been flattened out by the turkish miltary, I gather.

Unfortunately, I was able to observe via Google Earth, that our house and all the neighboring ones are no more. In fact most of the village has been flattened in total disrespect of my childhood, my ancestors, …our dead.

We do NOT forget…

You should contact Achilleas Dimitriades and file a case within the ECHR if you have not done so already.

It takes a minimum of five years and you have to exhaust all local remedies first. WIth the fresh developments of today it might be better to go after a civil suit in Nicosia against them. We're looking into it for our land in Morphou and Kyrenia.

I had no idea about this.

My in laws filed in 2000 and the case has now progressed and a hearing is now imminent.

When they filed they did not have to exhaust any local remedies.

But still, if the person that is illegally using your property has assets in any EU country, you would have a field day...

they filed before the cut-off point which was 2003 or 4 if i remember correctly. Everyone filing after that must exhaust local remedies.

[Paphitis]

What about the use of the land on which "Ercan" airport is built? I understand most of that land is legally owned by a GC, who, of course, never gave permission for such use of their property.

Tymbou, the real name of that place, and all surrounding areas were 100% Greek Cypriot owned. I happen to be one of the owners of land there.

GR, I hope it did not escape your notice that in my post "Ercan" is within quotation marks. I am (partially) aware of the situation in the Tymbou area. Most of it has been flattened out by the turkish miltary, I gather.

Unfortunately, I was able to observe via Google Earth, that our house and all the neighboring ones are no more. In fact most of the village has been flattened in total disrespect of my childhood, my ancestors, …our dead.

We do NOT forget…

You should contact Achilleas Dimitriades and file a case within the ECHR if you have not done so already.

It takes a minimum of five years and you have to exhaust all local remedies first. WIth the fresh developments of today it might be better to go after a civil suit in Nicosia against them. We're looking into it for our land in Morphou and Kyrenia.

I had no idea about this.

My in laws filed in 2000 and the case has now progressed and a hearing is now imminent.

When they filed they did not have to exhaust any local remedies.

But still, if the person that is illegally using your property has assets in any EU country, you would have a field day...

they filed before the cut-off point which was 2003 or 4 if i remember correctly. Everyone filing after that must exhaust local remedies.

That makes sense. Come to think of it they did mention a cut off point.

But why didn't you guys file when you had the chance?

If I were you, I would definitely file a case in Cyprus and then see how you can go with taking it to ECJ and ECHR.

Contact Achilleas Dimitriades for legal advice at once.

But don't go anywhere near the "trnc" property commission..