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Karamanlis Cyprus visit - latest

FAMAGUSTA GAZETTE 23.APR.09
Cyprus and Greece agree that the negotiations between the leaders of the two communities in Cyprus for a solution of the island`s political problem have not made the expected progress, President Christofias said on Wednesday.

He added that, irrespective of the course of the negotiations, the Greek Cypriot side will continue to be engaged in them with good will, sincerity and reasonable positions, with an aim to reach a mutually acceptable solution, without timeframes or arbitration.

In his opening remarks at a press conference with Greek Prime Minister Costas Karamanlis, President Christofias expressed his joy for the official visit of Karamanlis to Cyprus and noted that it is a follow-up of his visit to Athens last November.

``It is proof in practice of the excellent and sincere relations in all sectors between Cyprus and Greece. We are continuously developing and strengthening these relations,`` he said, adding that ``the relations of our countries and peoples are based on common centuries-old struggles, the common cultural traditions, deep and sincere friendship, and the existence of full coordination and cooperation on various issues of mutual interest.``

President Christofias said that ``the first issue that concerns Cyprus and Greece is the Cyprus problem and efforts to reach a solution that will terminate the occupation and will reunite the territory, the people, the institutions and the economy.`` - (KYPE)


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... Sets a good example for TCs and Turks abt how to build centuries-old struggles, the common cultural traditions, deep and sincere friendship, and the existence of full coordination and cooperation on various issues of mutual interest ...

[The Cypriot]

If you were to take those stupid sunglasses off for a minute you might see that the relationship between Greece and Cyprus has matured into an adult friendship between equals.

The relationship between Turkey and its pathetic little protectorate in the north, meanwhile, has long since degenerated into a dysfunctional kinship between a drunken, delusional mother and her physically abused, psychologically disturbed child; that's forever soiling its pants....

[insan]

If you were to take those stupid sunglasses off for a minute you might see that the relationship between Greece and Cyprus has matured into an adult friendship between equals.

The relationship between Turkey and its pathetic little protectorate in the north, meanwhile, has long since degenerated into a dysfunctional kinship between a drunken, delusional mother and her physically abused, psychologically disturbed child; that's forever soiling its pants....

GCs and Greeks have several centuries old mutual relations, TCs and Turks have just a century old mutual relationship under heavy anti-Turkish propaganda and disinformation. It's too rational for TCs and Turks not being able to have fairly good realtions under such circumstances.

Moreover, in case the mutually made common plans and accepted tactics of GC-Greek duo fail, then watch them puting blame on each other and accusing with back stabbing. Even, it may again lead them to put all the blame on Turkey, US and Brits; as usual.

[The Cypriot]

GCs and Greeks have several centuries old mutual relations, TCs and Turks have just a century old mutual relationship under heavy anti-Turkish propaganda and disinformation.

But why do you think so many people seem to hate Turkey so much? It can't all be down to the Cypriot propaganda machine - effective, no doubt, as it is.

It's too rational for TCs and Turks not being able to have fairly good realtions under such circumstances.

I agree. But you need to stand up to your abusive mother. Or ask the world for help (assuming she won't strangle you if you do).

Moreover, in case the mutually made common plans and accepted tactics of GC-Greek duo fail,

There are no common plans/tactics. Just a desire among all of Cyprus's EU partners, including Greece, to secure justice for its long suffering people, north and south.

then watch them puting blame on each other and accusing with back stabbing. Even, it may again lead them to put all the blame on Turkey, US and Brits; as usual.

I believe you are operating in another era, insan.

[insan]

GCs and Greeks have several centuries old mutual relations, TCs and Turks have just a century old mutual relationship under heavy anti-Turkish propaganda and disinformation.

But why do you think so many people seem to hate Turkey so much? It can't all be down to the Cypriot propaganda machine - effective, no doubt, as it is.

It's too rational for TCs and Turks not being able to have fairly good realtions under such circumstances.

I agree. But you need to stand up to your abusive mother. Or ask the world for help (assuming she won't strangle you if you do).

Moreover, in case the mutually made common plans and accepted tactics of GC-Greek duo fail,

There are no common plans/tactics. Just a desire among all of Cyprus's EU partners, including Greece, to secure justice for its long suffering people, north and south.

then watch them puting blame on each other and accusing with back stabbing. Even, it may again lead them to put all the blame on Turkey, US and Brits; as usual.

I believe you are operating in another era, insan.

There r various reasons why so many people hate Turks and it dates back to Attila. There r many Turkish websites calmly questioning and examining the Turco-phobia in a widest perspective. U can easily google and find them to read. The matter is where would this mostly historical rooted anti-Turkish sentiments and Turco-Phobia lead them and Turkey. Be sure, such anti-Turkish, Turco-Phobic stances don't help rapproachment and reconciliation.
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It's not Turkey abusing some TC political groups. As I emphasized to u, previously. There r some Turkish political groups in collaboration with some TC political groups abusing some other political groups of TCs. We consider them natural for our democratization process. Under the circumstances of Northern Cyprus that only has 20-25 years of democratic order; it's normal to face with such difficulties. Is there any democracies on the planet earth that matured in just 20-25 years?

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I'm not operating in another era, The Cypriot. The circumstances determine the course of relations, health of democracy, strength of economy and it's side effects on social order etc.

[boomerang]

GCs and Greeks have several centuries old mutual relations, TCs and Turks have just a century old mutual relationship under heavy anti-Turkish propaganda and disinformation.

But why do you think so many people seem to hate Turkey so much? It can't all be down to the Cypriot propaganda machine - effective, no doubt, as it is.

It's too rational for TCs and Turks not being able to have fairly good realtions under such circumstances.

I agree. But you need to stand up to your abusive mother. Or ask the world for help (assuming she won't strangle you if you do).

Moreover, in case the mutually made common plans and accepted tactics of GC-Greek duo fail,

There are no common plans/tactics. Just a desire among all of Cyprus's EU partners, including Greece, to secure justice for its long suffering people, north and south.

then watch them puting blame on each other and accusing with back stabbing. Even, it may again lead them to put all the blame on Turkey, US and Brits; as usual.

I believe you are operating in another era, insan.

There r various reasons why so many people hate Turks and it dates back to Attila. There r many Turkish websites calmly questioning and examining the Turco-phobia in a widest perspective. U can easily google and find them to read. The matter is where would this mostly historical rooted anti-Turkish sentiments and Turco-Phobia lead them and Turkey. Be sure, such anti-Turkish, Turco-Phobic stances don't help rapproachment and reconciliation.
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It's not Turkey abusing some TC political groups. As I emphasized to u, previously. There r some Turkish political groups in collaboration with some TC political groups abusing some other political groups of TCs. We consider them natural for our democratization process. Under the circumstances of Northern Cyprus that only has 20-25 years of democratic order; it's normal to face with such difficulties. Is there any democracies on the planet earth that matured in just 20-25 years?
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I'm not operating in another era, The Cypriot. The circumstances determine the course of relations, health of democracy, strength of economy and it's side effects on social order etc.

errr...yes there are titty man...the ex communist satelite countries...

[The Cypriot]

There r various reasons why so many people hate Turks and it dates back to Attila. There r many Turkish websites calmly questioning and examining the Turco-phobia in a widest perspective. U can easily google and find them to read. The matter is where would this mostly historical rooted anti-Turkish sentiments and Turco-Phobia lead them and Turkey. Be sure, such anti-Turkish, Turco-Phobic stances don't help rapproachment and reconciliation.

I agree. What is Turkey doing to help though? It could reduce how many soldiers it has parked in the north for example. But it doesn't. It could get rid of the flag on the mountain. But it doesn't. It could give up Famagusta to its owners. But it doesn't. And that doesn't help rapproachment and reconciliation either.

It's not Turkey abusing some TC political groups. As I emphasized to u, previously. There r some Turkish political groups in collaboration with some TC political groups abusing some other political groups of TCs. We consider them natural for our democratization process. Under the circumstances of Northern Cyprus that only has 20-25 years of democratic order; it's normal to face with such difficulties. Is there any democracies on the planet earth that matured in just 20-25 years?

Shame you're maturing your democratic process on land that actually belongs to thousands of innocent people who were forceably removed from it; because while you take time maturing, they have been dying waiting... heartbroken they couldn't go home. And that doesn't help rapproachment and reconciliation either.

[insan]

There r various reasons why so many people hate Turks and it dates back to Attila. There r many Turkish websites calmly questioning and examining the Turco-phobia in a widest perspective. U can easily google and find them to read. The matter is where would this mostly historical rooted anti-Turkish sentiments and Turco-Phobia lead them and Turkey. Be sure, such anti-Turkish, Turco-Phobic stances don't help rapproachment and reconciliation.

I agree. What is Turkey doing to help though? It could reduce how many soldiers it has parked in the north for example. But it doesn't. It could get rid of the flag on the mountain. But it doesn't. It could give up Famagusta to its owners. But it doesn't. And that doesn't help rapproachment and reconciliation either.

It's not Turkey abusing some TC political groups. As I emphasized to u, previously. There r some Turkish political groups in collaboration with some TC political groups abusing some other political groups of TCs. We consider them natural for our democratization process. Under the circumstances of Northern Cyprus that only has 20-25 years of democratic order; it's normal to face with such difficulties. Is there any democracies on the planet earth that matured in just 20-25 years?

Shame you're maturing your democratic process on land that actually belongs to thousands of innocent people who were forceably removed from it; because while you take time maturing, they have been dying waiting... heartbroken they couldn't go home.

Several months ago UN made a statement that Turkey reduced the number of her troops to 23.000 but Omirou the King of so-called free areas stormed out that it was a lie.

Moreover, why should Turkey reduce her troops under the current circumstances? When it is half-sized would make u feel better? How about reducing the number of NG and 120.000 armed reservists to make TCs and Turkey feel better? Furthermore, maybe it's just a little but every Turkish soldier contributes to our economy as a consumer of Northern Cyprus...

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What's the difference of Greek flags waving in South with that flag? Just the size, visibility and shine? Moreover, did GC leadership and people of South give us any impression or hope regarding a solution taking into consideration the concerns of TCs? They keep maintaining the "osmosis" policy that would lead TCs into minority status without Turkey's guarantorship.

Return of Famagusta proposed to GC leadership in 1977 but all or nothing stance of GC leadership didn't allow them to accept this proposal that had it been accepted Famagusta would have returned and allowed abt 40.000 refugges to return their homes.

It seems, there's a lot for u to self-critisize but u prefer ignoring most of the facts.


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No one forcibly removed from their places. The circumstances of July-August 1974 and afterwards made it necessary for people to flee safer zones. Under such hostile environment forcing them stay where they were pre-events would lead more bloodshed and uneasiness while irregulars of EOKA-B backed by GC ultra-nationalists were still active and threatening both the newly installed president of GCs and Turkey with guerilla warfare.

On the other hand TCs who lost their loved ones and faced persecution of GC nationalists in 1963-74 period were looking for no excuse to persecute or kill the GCs remained in North of the island. Then the Turkish officials proposed UN the exchange of populations and it was accepted by UN and GC officials. Now u call it "ethnic cleansing" of GCs. Ain't it weird?

We r maturing our democracy in Northern Cyprus because no other alternative was left to us to inhabit.

[The Cypriot]

Several months ago UN made a statement that Turkey reduced the number of her troops to 23.000 but Omirou the King of so-called free areas stormed out that it was a lie.

Moreover, why should Turkey reduce her troops under the current circumstances? When it is half-sized would make u feel better?

I'm merely trying to suggest ways for Turkey to improve her image problem.

How about reducing the number of NG and 120.000 armed reservists to make TCs and Turkey feel better?

This won't help Turkey's image problem.

Furthermore, maybe it's just a little but every Turkish soldier contributes to our economy as a consumer of Northern Cyprus...

Hmmm that's one way of putting a positive spin on living under foreign military rule, I suppose.

What's the difference of Greek flags waving in South with that flag?

I'm merely trying to suggest ways for Turkey to improve her image problem.

Just the size, visibility and shine?

Yes... certainly not good for the image.

Moreover, did GC leadership and people of South give us any impression or hope regarding a solution taking into consideration the concerns of TCs? They keep maintaining the "osmosis" policy that would lead TCs into minority status without Turkey's guarantorship.

I'm merely trying to suggest ways for Turkey to improve her image problem. And you keep turning it around. Cyprus doesn't have an image problem with the rest of the world.

Return of Famagusta proposed to GC leadership in 1977 but all or nothing stance of GC leadership didn't allow them to accept this proposal that had it been accepted Famagusta would have returned and allowed abt 40.000 refugges to return their homes.

It seems, there's a lot for u to self-critisize but u prefer ignoring most of the facts.

Turkey's the one with the image problem.....