Kikapu
Stop with all the "Jack the Ripper" jargon double talk about knives and surgeons and comment on what I stated, that the TC's as a numerical minority will become equal citizens in everyway under a True Democracy along with the numerical majority GC's and other numerical minorities, but the moment you start asking for the TC's to be given special privileges over the numerical majority GC's and over other numerical minorities in Cyprus, you would have now condemned the numerical minority TC's to become a political minority TC's. Lets understand something, that it is not the GC's who are demanding that the TC's should become political minorities, but it is YOU by demanding special privileges. No matter how big or how small of a privileges you may ask for, at that point in time, you have made the TC's into a political minority from a numerical minority. Is this your aim, when in fact what you should be asking for, is to have protection for the TC's so not to become political minority, in that every citizen of Cyprus should be treated equally. This is the only protection the TC's should need by having a well drafted constitution and the protections from the other 26 members of the EU.
Can you not see what is it that you are asking for, that stands to turn the TC's into a political minority, which I thought, is what you are against. Well, apparently not. To be honest with you, the GC's will love to give the TC's some protections on Racism, job quotas, and so on, just to place you into the political minority status, but guess what, you are not even waiting for that to happen, because you are begging the GC's to make you into a political minority by trying to get some special privileges which will not be worth having, because the really big things that you really want which would violate other citizens Democratic and Human Rights will not be given to the TC's by the GC's, nor would the EU allow that to happen. For certain quotas during the transitional period of 5-10 years may well be warranted to have for the TC's to get them integrated in to the whole system of United Cyprus, but it is ONLY temporary and will not make the TC's into a political minority. That is something we can all live with.
Respond to the principle put before you, we are concerned about the GC surgeon with a knife at our throats, what safeguards and guarantees do we have he will no slit our throats?
You try to weave a maze with words so as to cloud the issue but the bottom line is if allowing the political equality we ask for and the world backs is a disadvanatage why not give us what we want? Your whole arguement here is flawed and even you tried to incorporate and peedle a plan that allows us with risks to strike a political equality balance.
The key here is not the current drafted EU laws that you claim will provide the protection we require but as I said its the surgeon that concerns us, that being the GCs and how they will manipulate and bend these laws when dealing with TCs to gain control over the whole island pushing us from equal partner status to just another minority they can ignore and discriminate against, which be very dangerous.
There is nothing strange about me for picking on issues that are not helpful to solve the Cyprus problem, when you have TC politicians who are only puppets and corrupted, so how do you expect me to respect this, or when illegal acts are continuing to happen.? The bigger question you should be asking yourself is, why aren't you screaming blood marry on what they are doing and not doing. Well, that really was a rhetorical question, because you approve everything they do therefore you are very happy with the situation, because you have ZERO complaints. We are talking about part of my country here, therefore I have the right to raise my voice. I have given Talat too much easy time for the last year or so, but my patients with him has gotten very thin. You see my comment about the north as an attack on the TC's, and yet, you cannot point anything that I write, that is attacking the TC's, but rather the establishment, the leadership, the Fascist and the NeoPartitionist. What did you want me to do, just play dead.?? The TC's been playing dead for a long time and what have they been rewarded with, a majority settlers in the north who are actually in the driver's seat to control the lives of the TC's. So much for your claim in wanting a have say so in your future.!, As for the "Animal Farm" comments from me, well, is it not applicable to the north in many ways.? Here is a very short explanation what this novel was about, written by others:
"ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL, BUT SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS.
When the animals take over the farm, they think it is the start of a better life. Their dreams is of a world where all animals are equal and all property is shared. But soon the pigs take control and one of them, Napoleon, becomes the leader of all the animals. One by one the principles of the revolution are abandoned, until the animals have even less freedom than before."
As for the "Midnight Express" comments, it only related to illegal non stop flights the CTA makes to Cyprus from different origins. It has ZERO relation to the movie about prison life in Turkey and Billy Hayes. But our friend Bananiot often calls the RoC a "Banana Republic" but I don't see you making any objection to it.!
Your opinion is exactly that your own you know nothing about the TRNC or daily life so you cannot appreciate fully where we are coming from and why we are the way we are, you are constantly guessing and believing your own assumptions then trying to impose this on other as if its gospel. Well time you tried to be a little impartial and support TC rights, because to date the only support you have givent to TCs is to ridicule and run them into the ground in the hope that you will win them over and get them to capitulate to GC demands to live in a GC state run by GCs with us as just another minority...aint gonna happen.
No is ever happy with their governments but this is nothing exclusive to the TRNC we complain all the time, when we feel they have taken a wrong step then we complain if you recall the bridge episode I was dead against and expressed my views accordingly. With regards to the Cyprus problem I support President Talat because he is in the most difficult position of all and has to balance the nationalistic Turkey and the rigid GCs to try and find a way out, which is proving beyond him as was the case with Mr Denktaş.
For you information the settlers are now being called the New generation TCs as they have been born in the TRNC and are not as easily manipulated as their parents were, so times change and so does the population of the TRNC which will continue to grow as Turks and TCs mingle and marry.
As for your comparisions I and I am sure many TCs find them very insulting and degrading Animals Pigs Turkish Prisions etc etc, this has more to do with your own mindset being warped by something which happened in your past why no comparision for the GCs? strange that but you obviously are still avoiding telling us what happened to you or a member of your family to make you such a nasty individual especially towards TCs who are the TRNC. Why are you avoiding this? it must have been something very bad to make you the way you are, were you raped? or a member of your family killed by Turkish soldiers?
Was there ever a time that you did not work for the recognition of the "trnc". Your empty threats are just that, EMPTY.!
Once again you are trying to find an excuse for your racist and fascistic behaviour as a NeoPartitonist by trying to blame others. I was not on the forum when you voted for the Racist Annan Plan in 2004, nor was I around for the next two years afterward which you have been talking about the AP as "the one that got away" for your partition dream and have not stopped since I have been on the forum for the last 3 years. No VP, you were a morally and ethically corrupted man way before I showed up on the forum and continuing to be one still today. All I did was to expose all your faults and cracks which you do not like and hate me for it, which is just one more of your faults, that you are man of HATE.!
Yes pre 2004 while living in the UK and before the borders opened, since then I have realized that unification isimpossible and that the TCs priorities should lay elsewhere as people like you Kifeas Sotos and Piratis will make our lives hell on earth if we should ever take a foolish step of agreeing a solution the GCs demand.
Again you weave your words to try and wriggle out of things, no matter what the dates were you are one of the main reasons why I have not changed my mind since 2004 about uniting with GCs, you incorporate all the reasons of why we should not trust GCs or the crap they peddle.
Militades wouldn’t let me drop my trousers to give him the proof you needed in his shop, mostly being afraid that he may be "Out Gunned".!
Again avoiding answering properly, how did he know you were a TC? guess work?
Did I not ask to meet with you when I came to Cyprus 2 years ago and even talk with you on the phone. What did you do, you rejected the offer, because I asked for us to meet in the RoC, because I was not certain that I would be coming to the "trnc", and I also told you I would quiz you on the things you have written on the forum, just to make sure I was meeting you and not one of your TMT friends. Of course you said yes to meet in the "trnc", but not in the RoC. Yeah right. What makes you think you could be trusted before you statrt questioning about trusting others.
I agreed to meet you if you donated money to charity which you argued back and forth then abandoned, you memory has failed you. you were the one who backed out and is such a coward you are not prepared to visit the TRNC and see for yourself the TRNC and how the TCs live today, you memories are still of the 1960s, we have come a long way even the GCs are shocked because they were expecting and told that we were suffering and things were real bad in the TRNC. You to will get the same wake up call but of course youll probably be dishonest and out some verbal shit spin on things.
I visited my country of Cyprus. As to which parts I choose to go and not to go is non of your damn business. Last time I went to the UK, I stayed in London and did not go to Scotland also. So what.?
If your a normal Scots with family ties or a love for Scotland then you visit Scotland, you obviously have none of those ties and prefer GCs. Thats why I question whether you are a TC you have no strong bond with TCs ot your family,you have married foreigners and you probably dont see your children so we cannot expect anything else from you.
That's right VP, I was expelled by the TC's back in 1964 right after we were released from captivity by the GC's, and the reason for my traitorous act were, that as an 8 year old, I spent a week with the GC's behind enemy lines and did not try to kill all the guards to free the 700 captive TC's, while you were sucking milk from your mother at the same time.! I then returned back to Cyprus for the first time again, 43 years later in 2007.!
Definately something very fishy about you that if revealed would explain everything but obviously we cannot expect honesty from someone who exudes negativity about the TCs and where they reside the TRNC.
Were members of your family or was someone killed by Turkish soliders in front fo you to warrant so much hatred and venom???
Cut the crap VP, because no one is buying your reasoning for wanting a partition and recognition of the north. When did you ever stop wanting the both.? Your little "crocodile tears" are evaporating before they hit the ground. Why can't you accept that I do not like liars, morally corrupted, fascist, racists, stupid and amateur politicians, Haram seekers, violators of Democracy, Human Rights and International laws. If you or any other TC or anyone else supports any or all of the above, then you will not like my comments. Just respect them and deal with them. That's all. It has nothing to do with the TC community as such. It has to do with individuals who support any of the above description, and you VP, seem to support ALL of them.!
You do more damage to GC TC relations than anyone else on this forum even Sotos but you are so into yourself that you will never realize this.
We all know what a great MassDebater you are , VP, therefore, as a great MassDebater, you probably can MassDebate all of us under the table.!
Who ever said that you were not good at anything to be proud off.!
Another prime example of your degrading sarcastic comments, fuck off you bastard in plain English.
