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Kikapu

No you clown, it is you who advocates for the TC's to become a political minority by insisting on unfair "safeguards" which are disguised Democratic and Human Rights violations on their fellow citizens and then expect to live in peace as next door neighbours. All you want to do, is to incite hate and violence by such demands. You are anti Cypriots and do not have the best interest of the Cypriots, TC's or GC's. You whole aim is to reunite with your Ottoman past, so be gone already. Equal citizens does not need such unfair advantages over their fellow citizens. TC's are a numerical minority you cannot deny and as a numerical minority, which every country has them, does not make the numerical minority any less equal citizens than the numerical majority citizens. You VP, is the one who is begging for the TC's to become a political minority. It is you, who does not see the TC's as equal citizens, It is you, who want to use TC's numerical minority numbers to extract unfair demands to violate others civil rights, but by doing so, you would have placed the numerical minority TC's as equal citizens into a political minority. It is you, who is demanding this. True Democracy means equality to all citizens, which every citizen would have equal responsibility to protect the Democratic and Human Rights of their fellow citizens. You do not want this protection to all citizens, but instead, you want to violate such rights to the numerical majority. You do not have such rights. If you want to become a political minority, that can be arranged on certain issues, but you cannot take others Democratic and Human Rights.!

You still dont get it, its not the knife we are talking about but the surgeon who is going to use it that worried us. GCs want to be free to use the knife as they see fit and we ask for safeguards that they will not push us to one side and turn Cyprus into the Greek island they still dream of.

Plus you are still avoiding answering my question about what has moulded you into the evil and twisted individual that sees red when anything about the TCs or the TRNC is discussed. Your vile "ànimal farm" and "midnight express" comparisons only show how demented your brain really is, you must get a rush out of running us into the ground. Even GCs who have suffered far more than you have from what you have told us are not as evil or revenge seeking as you. You are dangerous not only to yourself but to TCs and any sort of reconcillation because of your approach I have comed to realize that I do not want to unite under any conditions and will work for recognition of the TRNC as people like you will guarantee our capitualation to th GCs.

Thats funny, coz the whole wide world sees your demented brain and punishes you with isolations, embargoes and condemnations...

so how do you explain your behaviour?

Small price to pay for the safe haven we have called the TRNC and not living in a GC state run by GCs. We are here for the long run.

[Kikapu]

Miltiades,

Good morning my friend.! I know this will send shivers on Racist VP's back, that a TC can call a GC , my friend, but VP's brain is only filled with hate to anyone who does not share his Racist and Fascistic ideas. It is like a glass that is full of water. If you try to add more, it will just overflow and will not enter into the glass. Well, VP's brain is just like that glass, that it is full of HATE, RACISIM and FACISIM and that he is not able to add anything that is relating to HUMANITY.!

Good morning to all my Cypriot frineds.
Kicks, you really are half of VP problems, your constant attack on TCs is rather worrying. If the wish for collective punishment was unlawfull as the act itself, you are guilty as charged. Some may say it should be a crime. I have a theory that you and Bumbolla boy are one and the same?

Do you care to comment about that?

Kicks, you really are half of VP problems

NO, no please, I can't take any credit for VP's deranged mind set. He is in a class of all of his own. I do not have such talents to make VP the ways he is. He is one of natures freaks that comes along once in a while. We just have to deal with it until a time comes when natures takes care of it's own mistakes. It won't be too long left for that to happen, I'm sure of it.!

your constant attack on TCs is rather worrying.

I have asked you before to show me where I have written anything that is an attack on the TC community, but you did not respond, so here is your chance to do so now. Do not confuse my attacks on the illegal and unethical activities conducted by the "TRNC" and the Fascist NeoPartitionist as an attack on the TC community. They are just pawns in the "Corrupted Society" created by the Fascists.!

If the wish for collective punishment was unlawfull as the act itself, you are guilty as charged. Some may say it should be a crime.

What the hell are you talking about.??

I have a theory that you and Bumbolla boy are one and the same?

Do you care to comment about that?

I'll be very happy to respond to your theory.............you are NUTS.!

[halil]

Direct flights to the north

139. The Republic of Cyprus does not exercise direct control over Ercan airport in the north of the island.[5] The Turkish Cypriots have obtained a QC's opinion to the effect that the legal position under the Chicago Convention on civil air movements is therefore unclear, but most experts have taken the view that direct flights to Ercan would run counter to the Convention.

140. It is for individual EU member states as signatories to the Chicago Convention to decide if they are able to authorise direct flights to north Cyprus; it is not a matter for the EU as a whole. It would also be for the Republic of Cyprus to identify an airport in the north under the Convention. An application for permission to schedule direct flights to north Cyprus from London has not yet been determined by the Department of Transport in the UK. If the Department does agree to such flights, the Greek Cypriots will challenge this and take the matter to judicial review. If the Department does not agree to the flights, the Turkish Cypriots will do the same.

141. The UK's support in principle for direct flights to northern Cyprus goes down very badly in the south. Greek Cypriots feel that direct flights would remove one of the most important incentives for Turkish Cypriots to support an overall settlement. It might even drive them towards independence.

142. Turkish Cypriots claim that allowing direct flights to Ercan airport will not mean that the Greek Cypriots are recognising the 'TRNC' as a separate state. There are direct flights to Taiwan, for example, even though it is not recognised as a state in its own right. If they cannot achieve direct flights, Turkish Cypriots claim they will be forced to become closer and closer to Turkey. If the north cannot compete on the same footing as the south, it cannot improve its economy and so will become more dependent on Turkey.

143. If Ercan airport were opened to direct flights it is estimated that north Cyprus would receive a million tourists who would generate $1 billion in revenue. With this income, north Cyprus could stand on its own two feet. Turkish Cypriots suggest that tourists flying into Ercan should be able to visit the whole island, which would benefit the Greek Cypriots as well. In addition, if Ercan were opened to direct flights not only would tourists fly in, but goods could be exported by air as well which would also make the economy stronger. However, the Greek Cypriots fear that if Ercan were opened to direct flights, the Turkish Cypriots would lose any incentive to reach a wider settlement.

http://www.parliament.the-stationery-of ... /47305.htm

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I would love to be in the court room watching the lawyers trying to make a case for non-stop flights with the above given reasons, since there is already a direct flight and even an illegal non-stop flights at times called "Midnight Express".!

This is the part I love.

"The Government, however, has refused all Cyprus Turkish Airlines' applications, claiming that direct flights would be contrary to the 1944 Chicago Convention on International Civil Aviation.

CTA's position is that the Government has misunderstood the Chicago Convention or its impact on the legality of direct flights, and that the Government should therefore grant their applications."

If these dummies are not too careful, there can be a counter suit filed against them and supported by court order in support of the 1944 Chicago Convention for flying illegally the "Midnight Express" flights. They may be forced to prove in actually making a landing anywhere in Turkey before continuing to the "trnc".

I would suggest the following proposal.

1st violation, CTA is banned from flying to the UK for 1 months.

2nd violation, CTA is banned from flying to the UK for 3 months.

3rd violation, CTA is banned from flying to the UK for GOOD and are forced to read the 1944 Chicago Convention to their passengers over the speakers while flying to other destinations, other than the UK.!

This cannot be the post of a sane individual, the venom vomited out which he tries to cloud by stupid sarcasm is that of a person posessed who has been physiocologically damaged in some way and gets off on taking pot shots at anything and everything no matter how small or big TCs do.

This is not normal and I will never believe he is a TC until I see real proof and to that date he will be the most hardened and dangerous GC gavur never to be trusted.

I have met Kikapu on two occasions . I can vouch that he is indeed a T/C .Like me , he is first and foremost a Cypriot . Like me he loves his country , his motherland , and feels he has an obligation to speak out against illegalities and absurdities threatening the existence of an integral part of our Cyprus that of the endangered species of T/Cs .

I dont believe you because the venom and bitterness he displays using the vile sarcastic shit is not normal. The dosage is way over the top for a TC Bir is more yout typical TC who can argue both sides of the coin this animal is 100% pro GC and 100% anti TC, so therefore very dangerous to TCs.

You are therefore saying that I lied and that I have never met Kikapu !!
What kind of an individual would proclaim on a public forum that he has made the acquaintance of a fellow forumer when in fact he hasn't !!!
VP , you amaze me mate , more so with your virolous attack on Kikapu.
Let me tell you mate Kikapu is one of thousands upon thousands of T/Cs who see reality with a clear vision and not as a "foreigner" so called Cypriot like you does. You have stated that my village in Paphos is in foreign country , as far as you are concerned , that says a million words about you and the likes of you. A part of Cyprus that my ancestors lived for hundreds of generations and you have the audacity to tell me is a foreign country !!!
As far as this ridiculous action to legitimise direct flights to the occupied part of my country hasn't anyone informed you that there are International agreements and protocols regarding civil aviation , the occupied part does not conform with the fundamental prerequisites demanded by each nations Civil Aviation Authorities .The "trnc" is seen internationally as an occupied part of Cyprus , you know that , you dont agree with it but its a stark reality.

I'm not saying you didn't meet him, but how did you check he was a TC? and why doesn't he associate with any TCs or visit the TRNC like any other normal TC. He is fanatically again what we stand for and a danger in every sense to TC, I get the feeling he has been expelled by TCs as a traitor and therefore continues to get satisfaction out of running us into the ground every opportunity he gets. This is not normal you are a GC and have many things to be bitter about due to the past events but you do not show 1% of the venom and bitterness this thing shows, why? If he is trying to make a point he does not have to use the sarcasm and vile comments he vomits, obviously he has something to prove or gets off on using the low life approach he continues to do so. This one person more than GCs themselves has made sure that I will support continued division and recognition of the TRNC, aren't these exchanges supposed to have the opposite effect? That's why his sort of input is dangerous and will only work against the solution people like you long for.

Miltiades around?

[Kikapu]

No you clown, it is you who advocates for the TC's to become a political minority by insisting on unfair "safeguards" which are disguised Democratic and Human Rights violations on their fellow citizens and then expect to live in peace as next door neighbours. All you want to do, is to incite hate and violence by such demands. You are anti Cypriots and do not have the best interest of the Cypriots, TC's or GC's. You whole aim is to reunite with your Ottoman past, so be gone already. Equal citizens does not need such unfair advantages over their fellow citizens. TC's are a numerical minority you cannot deny and as a numerical minority, which every country has them, does not make the numerical minority any less equal citizens than the numerical majority citizens. You VP, is the one who is begging for the TC's to become a political minority. It is you, who does not see the TC's as equal citizens, It is you, who want to use TC's numerical minority numbers to extract unfair demands to violate others civil rights, but by doing so, you would have placed the numerical minority TC's as equal citizens into a political minority. It is you, who is demanding this. True Democracy means equality to all citizens, which every citizen would have equal responsibility to protect the Democratic and Human Rights of their fellow citizens. You do not want this protection to all citizens, but instead, you want to violate such rights to the numerical majority. You do not have such rights. If you want to become a political minority, that can be arranged on certain issues, but you cannot take others Democratic and Human Rights.!

You still dont get it, its not the knife we are talking about but the surgeon who is going to use it that worried us. GCs want to be free to use the knife as they see fit and we ask for safeguards that they will not push us to one side and turn Cyprus into the Greek island they still dream of.

Stop with all the "Jack the Ripper" jargon double talk about knives and surgeons and comment on what I stated, that the TC's as a numerical minority will become equal citizens in everyway under a True Democracy along with the numerical majority GC's and other numerical minorities, but the moment you start asking for the TC's to be given special privileges over the numerical majority GC's and over other numerical minorities in Cyprus, you would have now condemned the numerical minority TC's to become a political minority TC's. Lets understand something, that it is not the GC's who are demanding that the TC's should become political minorities, but it is YOU by demanding special privileges. No matter how big or how small of a privileges you may ask for, at that point in time, you have made the TC's into a political minority from a numerical minority. Is this your aim, when in fact what you should be asking for, is to have protection for the TC's so not to become political minority, in that every citizen of Cyprus should be treated equally. This is the only protection the TC's should need by having a well drafted constitution and the protections from the other 26 members of the EU.

Can you not see what is it that you are asking for, that stands to turn the TC's into a political minority, which I thought, is what you are against. Well, apparently not. To be honest with you, the GC's will love to give the TC's some protections on Racism, job quotas, and so on, just to place you into the political minority status, but guess what, you are not even waiting for that to happen, because you are begging the GC's to make you into a political minority by trying to get some special privileges which will not be worth having, because the really big things that you really want which would violate other citizens Democratic and Human Rights will not be given to the TC's by the GC's, nor would the EU allow that to happen. For certain quotas during the transitional period of 5-10 years may well be warranted to have for the TC's to get them integrated in to the whole system of United Cyprus, but it is ONLY temporary and will not make the TC's into a political minority. That is something we can all live with.

Plus you are still avoiding answering my question about what has moulded you into the evil and twisted individual that sees red when anything about the TCs or the TRNC is discussed. Your vile "ànimal farm" and "midnight express" comparisons only show how demented your brain really is, you must get a rush out of running us into the ground. Even GCs who have suffered far more than you have from what you have told us are not as evil or revenge seeking as you.

There is nothing strange about me for picking on issues that are not helpful to solve the Cyprus problem, when you have TC politicians who are only puppets and corrupted, so how do you expect me to respect this, or when illegal acts are continuing to happen.? The bigger question you should be asking yourself is, why aren't you screaming blood marry on what they are doing and not doing. Well, that really was a rhetorical question, because you approve everything they do therefore you are very happy with the situation, because you have ZERO complaints. We are talking about part of my country here, therefore I have the right to raise my voice. I have given Talat too much easy time for the last year or so, but my patients with him has gotten very thin. You see my comment about the north as an attack on the TC's, and yet, you cannot point anything that I write, that is attacking the TC's, but rather the establishment, the leadership, the Fascist and the NeoPartitionist. What did you want me to do, just play dead.?? The TC's been playing dead for a long time and what have they been rewarded with, a majority settlers in the north who are actually in the driver's seat to control the lives of the TC's. So much for your claim in wanting a have say so in your future.!, As for the "Animal Farm" comments from me, well, is it not applicable to the north in many ways.? Here is a very short explanation what this novel was about, written by others:

"ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL, BUT SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS.

When the animals take over the farm, they think it is the start of a better life. Their dreams is of a world where all animals are equal and all property is shared. But soon the pigs take control and one of them, Napoleon, becomes the leader of all the animals. One by one the principles of the revolution are abandoned, until the animals have even less freedom than before."

As for the "Midnight Express" comments, it only related to illegal non stop flights the CTA makes to Cyprus from different origins. It has ZERO relation to the movie about prison life in Turkey and Billy Hayes. But our friend Bananiot often calls the RoC a "Banana Republic" but I don't see you making any objection to it.!

You are dangerous not only to yourself but to TCs and any sort of reconcillation because of your approach I have comed to realize that I do not want to unite under any conditions and will work for recognition of the TRNC as people like you will guarantee our capitualation to th GCs.

Was there ever a time that you did not work for the recognition of the "trnc". Your empty threats are just that, EMPTY.!

Once again you are trying to find an excuse for your racist and fascistic behaviour as a NeoPartitonist by trying to blame others. I was not on the forum when you voted for the Racist Annan Plan in 2004, nor was I around for the next two years afterward which you have been talking about the AP as "the one that got away" for your partition dream and have not stopped since I have been on the forum for the last 3 years. No VP, you were a morally and ethically corrupted man way before I showed up on the forum and continuing to be one still today. All I did was to expose all your faults and cracks which you do not like and hate me for it, which is just one more of your faults, that you are man of HATE.!

[Omer Seyhan]

I hope they lose the case, then fellow T/Cs like Insan and Halil will take their head out of their arse and start to begin to realise the importance that a Cyprus solution is the only way to resolve all these issues.

[insan]

I hope they lose the case, then fellow T/Cs like Insan and Halil will take their head out of their arse and start to begin to realise the importance that a Cyprus solution is the only way to resolve all these issues.

TCs r open to any solution that secures their rights in Cyprus. The fact is that, throughout our common history in Cyprus, GC and Greek nationalists have never considered TCs as a politically equal entity. They have never wished it because of their rightful Turco-Phobia. However they have never given any effort to get rid of this fear. It is also true that TCs and Turks haven't helped them to get rid of Turco-Phobia. Why? Mainly because of inability and illiteracy of 2 nations and 2communities of Cyprus.

I hope Ömer, u and ur alikes take ur heads out of ur arses and see the essential of the problem.

[bill cobbett]

I think we should be thinking one or two steps ahead on this one. This is outside the control of the GB authorities. The power is with the RoC through the international air traffic organisation.

So I suspect this will go to the ECJ (at the very least and possibly through a Nicosia court on the way) whatever the verdict in a London court. It'll drag on for years.

[Omer Seyhan]

I think we should be thinking one or two steps ahead on this one. This is outside the control of the GB authorities. The power is with the RoC through the international air traffic organisation.

So I suspect this will go to the ECJ (at the very least and possibly through a Nicosia court on the way) whatever the verdict in a London court. It'll drag on for years.

I agree, its a waste of energy and time. People putting all their energy in this should instead put it into an early solution where we would have direct flights without any problems.

[Kikapu]

You are therefore saying that I lied and that I have never met Kikapu !!
What kind of an individual would proclaim on a public forum that he has made the acquaintance of a fellow forumer when in fact he hasn't !!!
VP , you amaze me mate , more so with your virolous attack on Kikapu.
Let me tell you mate Kikapu is one of thousands upon thousands of T/Cs who see reality with a clear vision and not as a "foreigner" so called Cypriot like you does. You have stated that my village in Paphos is in foreign country , as far as you are concerned , that says a million words about you and the likes of you. A part of Cyprus that my ancestors lived for hundreds of generations and you have the audacity to tell me is a foreign country !!!
As far as this ridiculous action to legitimise direct flights to the occupied part of my country hasn't anyone informed you that there are International agreements and protocols regarding civil aviation , the occupied part does not conform with the fundamental prerequisites demanded by each nations Civil Aviation Authorities .The "trnc" is seen internationally as an occupied part of Cyprus , you know that , you dont agree with it but its a stark reality.

I'm not saying you didn't meet him, but how did you check he was a TC? and why doesn't he associate with any TCs or visit the TRNC like any other normal TC. He is fanatically again what we stand for and a danger in every sense to TC, I get the feeling he has been expelled by TCs as a traitor and therefore continues to get satisfaction out of running us into the ground every opportunity he gets. This is not normal you are a GC and have many things to be bitter about due to the past events but you do not show 1% of the venom and bitterness this thing shows, why? If he is trying to make a point he does not have to use the sarcasm and vile comments he vomits, obviously he has something to prove or gets off on using the low life approach he continues to do so. This one person more than GCs themselves has made sure that I will support continued division and recognition of the TRNC, aren't these exchanges supposed to have the opposite effect? That's why his sort of input is dangerous and will only work against the solution people like you long for.

I'm not saying you didn't meet him, but how did you check he was a TC?

Militades wouldn’t let me drop my trousers to give him the proof you needed in his shop, mostly being afraid that he may be "Out Gunned".!

and why doesn't he associate with any TCs

Did I not ask to meet with you when I came to Cyprus 2 years ago and even talk with you on the phone. What did you do, you rejected the offer, because I asked for us to meet in the RoC, because I was not certain that I would be coming to the "trnc", and I also told you I would quiz you on the things you have written on the forum, just to make sure I was meeting you and not one of your TMT friends. Of course you said yes to meet in the "trnc", but not in the RoC. Yeah right. What makes you think you could be trusted before you statrt questioning about trusting others.

TCs or visit the TRNC like any other normal TC

I visited my country of Cyprus. As to which parts I choose to go and not to go is non of your damn business. Last time I went to the UK, I stayed in London and did not go to Scotland also. So what.?

I get the feeling he has been expelled by TCs as a traitor and therefore continues to get satisfaction out of running us into the ground every opportunity he gets.

That's right VP, I was expelled by the TC's back in 1964 right after we were released from captivity by the GC's, and the reason for my traitorous act were, that as an 8 year old, I spent a week with the GC's behind enemy lines and did not try to kill all the guards to free the 700 captive TC's, while you were sucking milk from your mother at the same time.! I then returned back to Cyprus for the first time again, 43 years later in 2007.!

This one person more than GCs themselves has made sure that I will support continued division and recognition of the TRNC, aren't these exchanges supposed to have the opposite effect? That's why his sort of input is dangerous and will only work against the solution people like you long for.

Cut the crap VP, because no one is buying your reasoning for wanting a partition and recognition of the north. When did you ever stop wanting the both.? Your little "crocodile tears" are evaporating before they hit the ground. Why can't you accept that I do not like liars, morally corrupted, fascist, racists, stupid and amateur politicians, Haram seekers, violators of Democracy, Human Rights and International laws. If you or any other TC or anyone else supports any or all of the above, then you will not like my comments. Just respect them and deal with them. That's all. It has nothing to do with the TC community as such. It has to do with individuals who support any of the above description, and you VP, seem to support ALL of them.!