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Postby halil » Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:50 pm

Turkish Cypriot vote reflects disappointment with EU
20 April 2009, 18:00 CET
(NICOSIA) - The election victory of hardline nationalists in breakaway northern Cyprus reflects disappointment with failed EU promises to ease the enclave's isolation, Turkish Cypriot leader Mehmet Ali Talat said on Monday.
The winner in Sunday's polls, the right-wing National Unity Party (UBP), "took advantage from the Turkish Cypriot people's disappointment with the failure of the European Union and the international community to fulfill their pledges," Talat told the BRTK television channel.
The EU had promised to ease the economic isolation of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (TRNC), recognised only by Ankara, after Turkish Cypriots overwhelmingly backed a UN plan in April 2004 to end the 34-year division of the eastern Mediterranean island.
The plan was rejected by the Greek Cypriot side, whose government is the island's internationally recognised administration and which became an EU member in May that year.
EU attempts to make gestures to the Turkish Cypriots have since been blocked by the Greek Cypriots.
Talat, an advocate of reunification, expressed confidence the vote outcome would not harm peace talks, revived in September, stressing that UBP leader Dervis Eroglu spoke in support of maintaining negotiations with the Greek Cypriots after his election victory.
"It is a known fact that the Turkish Cypriot people are in favour of a settlement... I think there will be no problem," he said.
Talat, who remains as chief negotiator in the talks, has been negotiating for a bi-zonal federation, but Eroglu's UBP has for years favoured a two-state solution -- a framework vehemently rejected by the Greek Cypriots.
Cyprus has been divided along ethnic lines since 1974 when Turkey invaded the northern third in response to an Athens-engineered Greek Cypriot coup aimed at uniting the eastern Mediterranean island with Greece.
http://www.eubusiness.com/news-eu/1240237044.93


There is no points for me to argue with u . your minds are always one sided . İ will just try to put what the none TC's sources was saying after referandum .

For DT the link u gave was correct . i was going to put it at the end of it but for urgency of something i gone out .
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Postby bill cobbett » Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:54 pm

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RichardB wrote:PRO-‘NO’ rallY markS 5th anniversary of annan plan referendum

Scores of people yesterday gathered around the Ledra Palace checkpoint in Nicosia to celebrate the five-year anniversary of the Greek Cypriot people’s rejection of the 2004 Annan Plan.

With banners reading, “Annan Plan = insult and abuse of an entire population. It will never happen” and “Each nation forms and writes its own history”, more than 30 organisations and movements, as well as politicians from all areas and members of the public, crowded the crossing point to send out the message that their resounding ‘NO’ to the proposed solution back in 2004 is as powerful today as it was then.

Former President of the Republic, the late Tassos Papadopoulos, who put the Plan to the people in a referendum, was hailed as a hero and protector of Cyprus and its people’s human rights.

His wife Photini and son Nicolas were present as the main orator called for a minute’s silence in honour of the late President.

MPs and representatives from all political parties spoke during the demo, though the main orators were former Greek Defence Minister Yerasimos Arsenis, honorary EDEK chairman Vassos Lyssarides and Archbishop Chrysostomos II, whose speech was read out by the Bishop of Paphos.

The Annan Plan, drawn up by former UN Secretary-general Kofi Annan in a bid to reunify the island, was rejected by vast majority of the Greek Cypriot public, with 76 per cent voting ‘No’. This was in contrast to the Turkish Cypriot people, the majority of whom were in favour of the Plan.

Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2009


And 5 years down the road are the GCs any closer to a solution today?


All I can say is that we're five years down the line from what would (IMHO) have been the start of another disaster.
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Postby halil » Sat Apr 25, 2009 9:59 pm

Baroness Sarah Ludford MEP meets Turkish Cypriot leader Ferdi Soyer
3.50.58pm GMT Tue 15th Nov 2005


Sarah Ludford MEP with Ferdi Soyer

London\'s Liberal Democrat MEP Baroness Sarah Ludford met with Turkish Cypriot leader Ferdi Soyer last Friday during his visit to London, and also went on to the meeting he addressed at the London School of Economics Turkish Society.

Baroness Ludford presented Mr Soyer with a copy of the catalogue from the "Turks" historical exhibition held in London earlier this year, while she was delighted to receive from him the gift of a beautiful piece of Cypriot embroidery.

Sarah Ludford continues to campaign forcefully for the fulfilment of the EU promise made 18 months ago, in the aftermath of the positive Turkish Cypriot vote on the Annan plan, for the ending of the isolation of North Cyprus. She has pressed repeatedly in the European Parliament for the approval by EU governments of European Commission proposals for financial aid and direct trade.

Sarah has now written to the UK's Europe Minister Douglas Alexander MP, asking him what is happening about direct flights from the UK to North Cyprus and about prospects for easing visa requirements on Turkish Cypriots. She said:

"The continued trade and physical isolation of Turkish Cypriots is a breach of promise, which Brussels should be ashamed of. I recognise the effort the UK government has put in to try to secure the required unanimity among EU governments. But I urge it to create some movement by acting alone, as it can do, to licence flights by British operators to Ercan airport. It has been talking about this long enough."

"I also want to explore whether the British government sees potential for a waiver or at least easing of visa requirements. I realise that this may depend on reassurance from the Turkish Cypriot side about security and good management of passports, but I want to encourage a positive dialogue with the goal of liberalisation."

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- On 20th July 2004 previous Foreign Office minister Baroness Symons told the House of Lords that the Government believes "that direct trade and transport links between Northern Cyprus and the EU are central to bringing an end to the isolation of the Turkish Cypriots." She claimed "We are currently examining the feasibility of direct flights."

http://www.sarahludford.libdems.org.uk/ ... soyer.html
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Postby Hatter » Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:09 pm

bill cobbett wrote:Forgive my persistence boys and girls but from time to time reference is made to these unsourced promises by some of our northern friends.

So I'd still like to hear from Halil about the PROMISES when he/she said in the OP......


Quote...

"The international community has failed to honor the promises it made to the Turkish Cypriot People in spite of their strong backing to the Annan Plan."


...but we can't proceed with debate 'til Halil deems it fit to give us more info on what was meant.


I would alo like to hear from Halil about the "promises". It doesn't look very likely, though.
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Postby halil » Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:27 pm

Hatter wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:Forgive my persistence boys and girls but from time to time reference is made to these unsourced promises by some of our northern friends.

So I'd still like to hear from Halil about the PROMISES when he/she said in the OP......


Quote...

"The international community has failed to honor the promises it made to the Turkish Cypriot People in spite of their strong backing to the Annan Plan."


...but we can't proceed with debate 'til Halil deems it fit to give us more info on what was meant.


I would alo like to hear from Halil about the "promises". It doesn't look very likely, though.


go and find !
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Postby Hatter » Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:40 pm

halil wrote:
Hatter wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:Forgive my persistence boys and girls but from time to time reference is made to these unsourced promises by some of our northern friends.

So I'd still like to hear from Halil about the PROMISES when he/she said in the OP......


Quote...

"The international community has failed to honor the promises it made to the Turkish Cypriot People in spite of their strong backing to the Annan Plan."


...but we can't proceed with debate 'til Halil deems it fit to give us more info on what was meant.


I would alo like to hear from Halil about the "promises". It doesn't look very likely, though.


go and find !




Halil,

If you want to be taken seriously in this forum (or anywhere else for that matter) you should be prepared to substantiate your claims. Sending people on a wild goose chase as a subterfuge for your inability to back up your arbitrary assertions does not licit any respect.
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Postby halil » Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:43 pm

Hatter wrote:
halil wrote:
Hatter wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:Forgive my persistence boys and girls but from time to time reference is made to these unsourced promises by some of our northern friends.

So I'd still like to hear from Halil about the PROMISES when he/she said in the OP......


Quote...

"The international community has failed to honor the promises it made to the Turkish Cypriot People in spite of their strong backing to the Annan Plan."


...but we can't proceed with debate 'til Halil deems it fit to give us more info on what was meant.


I would alo like to hear from Halil about the "promises". It doesn't look very likely, though.


go and find !




Halil,

If you want to be taken seriously in this forum (or anywhere else for that matter) you should be prepared to substantiate your claims. Sending people on a wild goose chase as a subterfuge for your inability to back up your arbitrary assertions does not licit any respect.


it shows u were not following those days .... u were not following the statements that they were given out with most of the well knowing EU polititions .They wer posted here many times.
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Postby The Cypriot » Sat Apr 25, 2009 10:56 pm

halil wrote:Baroness Sarah Ludford MEP meets Turkish Cypriot leader Ferdi Soyer
3.50.58pm GMT Tue 15th Nov 2005


Sarah Ludford MEP with Ferdi Soyer

London\'s Liberal Democrat MEP Baroness Sarah Ludford met with Turkish Cypriot leader Ferdi Soyer last Friday during his visit to London, and also went on to the meeting he addressed at the London School of Economics Turkish Society.

Baroness Ludford presented Mr Soyer with a copy of the catalogue from the "Turks" historical exhibition held in London earlier this year, while she was delighted to receive from him the gift of a beautiful piece of Cypriot embroidery.

Sarah Ludford continues to campaign forcefully for the fulfilment of the EU promise made 18 months ago, in the aftermath of the positive Turkish Cypriot vote on the Annan plan, for the ending of the isolation of North Cyprus. She has pressed repeatedly in the European Parliament for the approval by EU governments of European Commission proposals for financial aid and direct trade.

Sarah has now written to the UK's Europe Minister Douglas Alexander MP, asking him what is happening about direct flights from the UK to North Cyprus and about prospects for easing visa requirements on Turkish Cypriots. She said:

"The continued trade and physical isolation of Turkish Cypriots is a breach of promise, which Brussels should be ashamed of. I recognise the effort the UK government has put in to try to secure the required unanimity among EU governments. But I urge it to create some movement by acting alone, as it can do, to licence flights by British operators to Ercan airport. It has been talking about this long enough."

"I also want to explore whether the British government sees potential for a waiver or at least easing of visa requirements. I realise that this may depend on reassurance from the Turkish Cypriot side about security and good management of passports, but I want to encourage a positive dialogue with the goal of liberalisation."


It might be worth asking yourself why – four years after this dimbat baroness's press release – no direct flights from the UK, or anywhere else to "North Cyprus", have been forthcoming; why no EU "promises" have been forthcoming.
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Postby Hatter » Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:08 pm

halil wrote:
Hatter wrote:
halil wrote:
Hatter wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:Forgive my persistence boys and girls but from time to time reference is made to these unsourced promises by some of our northern friends.

So I'd still like to hear from Halil about the PROMISES when he/she said in the OP......


Quote...

"The international community has failed to honor the promises it made to the Turkish Cypriot People in spite of their strong backing to the Annan Plan."


...but we can't proceed with debate 'til Halil deems it fit to give us more info on what was meant.


I would alo like to hear from Halil about the "promises". It doesn't look very likely, though.


go and find !




Halil,

If you want to be taken seriously in this forum (or anywhere else for that matter) you should be prepared to substantiate your claims. Sending people on a wild goose chase as a subterfuge for your inability to back up your arbitrary assertions does not licit any respect.


it shows u were not following those days .... u were not following the statements that they were given out with most of the well knowing EU polititions .They wer posted here many times.


But you, Halil, who apparently was "following those days" and "following the statements", cannot give us anything on these alleged promises, say, one example of a clear promise that was not kept.

:lol:
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Postby Dr J » Sat Apr 25, 2009 11:22 pm

Sarah Ludford joined in Israel's 60th anniversary celebrations

10.46.00am BST (GMT +0100) Tue 1st Jul 2008

Sarah Ludford joined in the Trafalgar Square celebrations on Sunday June 29th of the 60th anniversary of the State of Israel and is photographed here enjoying the festivities with the Israeli Ambassador Ron Prosor and the Chief Rabbi Sir Jonathan Sacks.
Sarah Ludford and Ambassador Ron Prosor (photography: Ludford Office)

Sarah Ludford and Ambassador Ron Prosor

Sarah said: "As a member of the Liberal Democrat Friends of Israel I stand squarely in support of Israel's right to exist in security and without constant and ongoing challenges to its legitimacy as a state. I certainly do not endorse all the policies of this - or any - Israeli government, but differences should not derail close relations between the UK and Israel and between the EU and Israel."
Sarah and Chief Rabbi Sir Jonathan Sacks (photography: Ludford Office)

Sarah and Chief Rabbi Sir Jonathan Sacks

"The principal need is for dialogue between the parties with the support of their friends leading to the achievement of peace with an Israeli and Palestinian state living side by side and cooperating for the prosperity and development of their people. For that to happen, Israel must be prepared to make concessions but first Hamas has to renounce its violence and dedication to Israel's destruction."


...there you go Halil, she also supports the Israeli state. Shows where her morals are.


...............but seriously Halil, that article was made in 2005, four years ago. Are you that desperate for propaganda??
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