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[The Cypriot]

Forgive my simple-mindedness,

Please don't apologise. You're not to blame. I believe it's the mercury those in your profession come into contact with.

but since you apparently know what Halil meant,

Please forgive me, in turn. Your question appeared so persistent and loud I thought you might have urgent need of an answer and so, like the good Samaritan that I am, I intervened on Halil's behalf.

what exactly were the promises to the TCs they "failed to honor"?

There were no promises they "failed to honour" as far as I can gather.

Do you mean that they promised to the TCs that the acquis would apply in the occupied areas?

Νο, the acquis cannot apply because the government of Cyprus does not have control of the occupied areas. So the acquis is suspended until Turkey's military is withdrawn.

BTW, I take issue with your claim that "only the free areas qualified for accession", but more of that later.

Can't see why as only the free areas were in a position to meet the accession criteria, the occupied areas being under the control of a foreign military.

[insan]

Νο, the acquis cannot apply because the government of Cyprus does not have control of the occupied areas. So the acquis is suspended until Turkey's military is withdrawn.

Do u really believe if Turkish troops withdrawn but 3500-4000 TC troops remain before a solution found; the NG of so-called RoC would attack to TC forces for taking control of Northern Cyprus?

[Oracle]

Forgive my simple-mindedness,

Please don't apologise. You're not to blame. I believe it's the mercury those in your profession come into contact with.

but since you apparently know what Halil meant,

Please forgive me, in turn. Your question appeared so persistent and loud I thought you might have urgent need of an answer and so, like the good Samaritan that I am, I intervened on Halil's behalf.

what exactly were the promises to the TCs they "failed to honor"?

There were no promises they "failed to honour" as far as I can gather.

Do you mean that they promised to the TCs that the acquis would apply in the occupied areas?

Νο, the acquis cannot apply because the government of Cyprus does not have control of the occupied areas. So the acquis is suspended until Turkey's military is withdrawn.

BTW, I take issue with your claim that "only the free areas qualified for accession", but more of that later.

Can't see why as only the free areas were in a position to meet the accession criteria, the occupied areas being under the control of a foreign military.

I thought the RoC as a whole country entered the EU with a recognition that they cannot exercise effective control over the occupied section, for which a suspension in responsibility is implemented so that the RoC is not held accountable for e.g. human rights violations that the Turks carry out on occupied Cypriot soil.

[The Cypriot]

Νο, the acquis cannot apply because the government of Cyprus does not have control of the occupied areas. So the acquis is suspended until Turkey's military is withdrawn.

Do u really believe if Turkish troops withdrawn but 3500-4000 TC troops remain before a solution found; the NG of so-called RoC would attack to TC forces for taking control of Northern Cyprus?

Don't know what you mean, insan.... I'm just stating some facts about Cyprus joining the EU... not beliefs.

[The Cypriot]

I thought the RoC as a whole country entered the EU

Yes... and that's what the TC's were promised. That the whole island was to be join the EU.

with a recognition that they cannot exercise effective control over the occupied section, for which a suspension in responsibility is implemented so that the RoC is not held accountable for e.g. human rights violations that the Turks carry out on occupied Cypriot soil.

I believe that's right.

[Hatter]

Forgive my simple-mindedness,

Please don't apologise. You're not to blame. I believe it's the mercury those in your profession come into contact with.

but since you apparently know what Halil meant,

Please forgive me, in turn. Your question appeared so persistent and loud I thought you might have urgent need of an answer and so, like the good Samaritan that I am, I intervened on Halil's behalf.

what exactly were the promises to the TCs they "failed to honor"?

There were no promises they "failed to honour" as far as I can gather.

Do you mean that they promised to the TCs that the acquis would apply in the occupied areas?

Νο, the acquis cannot apply because the government of Cyprus does not have control of the occupied areas. So the acquis is suspended until Turkey's military is withdrawn.

BTW, I take issue with your claim that "only the free areas qualified for accession", but more of that later.

Can't see why as only the free areas were in a position to meet the accession criteria, the occupied areas being under the control of a foreign military.

Obvously you failed to grap the rhetorical nature of my preamble.
My profession? What makes you think you know my profession?
Mercury-induced simple-mindedness? What is your excuse?

My question may have been loud, but Halil's silence was more deafening. You attempted to respond on someone else's behalf, without making your view crystal clear, until I posed my "simple-minded" question. thank you for the clarification, and there is no need to apologise. BTW, do you think that Halil cannot speak for himself/herself and was in need of your merciful intervention? To come back to the main point: So you agree with the view that there were no promises to the TCs by the "international community" that hey failed to honor. Perhaps Halil can enlighten us on that point, maybe he is aware of such promises that you and I are not aware of just yet, eh?

Of course, whatever the alleged promises were, it could not have been about the acquis, since those details were hammered-out and agreed during he ROC's accession discussions long before the 2004 referendum, i.e. they were already a given by the time of the referendum.


I still take issue about the accession criteria, but more of that later - otherwise we divert from the main point.

[insan]

Νο, the acquis cannot apply because the government of Cyprus does not have control of the occupied areas. So the acquis is suspended until Turkey's military is withdrawn.

Do u really believe if Turkish troops withdrawn but 3500-4000 TC troops remain before a solution found; the NG of so-called RoC would attack to TC forces for taking control of Northern Cyprus?

Don't know what you mean, insan.... I'm just stating some facts about Cyprus joining the EU... not beliefs.

What I mean is clear. Had Northern Cyprus not been under "military regime" as u claimed and had there been just 950 Turkish troops with a perfect TC democracy in North; nothing would have changed until a mutually agreed solution is found. Do u think it is Turkey that does not allow us to accept minority status and return of all refugees?

[The Cypriot]

Obvously you failed to grap the rhetorical nature of my preamble.

Not at all. I simply went along with it. But you were too simple-minded to clock it.

My profession? What makes you think you know my profession?

Are you so simple-minded not to see the connection between your name, madness and mercury?

Mercury-induced simple-mindedness? What is your excuse?

The rhetorical nature of your preamble

My question may have been loud, but Halil's silence was more deafening.

I agree. He's like that sometimes.

You attempted to respond on someone else's behalf, without making your view crystal clear, until I posed my "simple-minded" question. thank you for the clarification,

Pleasure.

and there is no need to apologise. BTW, do you think that Halil cannot speak for himself/herself and was in need of your merciful intervention?

No. And I don't believe I was merciful in intervening. As the answer I gave you would not be to his liking.

To come back to the main point: So you agree with the view that there were no promises to the TCs by the "international community" that hey failed to honor.

Yes.

Perhaps Halil can enlighten us on that point, maybe he is aware of such promises that you and I are not aware of just yet, eh?

I very much doubt it.

Of course, whatever the alleged promises were, it could not have been about the acquis, since those details were hammered-out and agreed during he ROC's accession discussions long before the 2004 referendum, i.e. they were already a given by the time of the referendum.

The north were told to vote "yes" and everything would be OK as they would join the EU in a "reunited" Cyprus. What the north wasn't told, (or maybe didn't want to hear), was that those in the free areas would have to be convinced to vote "yes" too. This "yes" was, wrongly as it transpired, taken as read.

The Annan Plan was, of course, so skewed in Turkey's favour to ensure that it would allow its minions to vote "yes" that the people in the free areas saw no upside in voting "yes" and overwhelmingly voted "no", rendering any promises to the north null and void.

I still take issue about the accession criteria, but more of that later - otherwise we divert from the main point.

[The Cypriot]

What I mean is clear.

not to me.

Had Northern Cyprus not been under "military regime" as u claimed

As I claim? Sorry, are we living in parallel universes? Are you back on Mars? Or Pluto? There's a soldier for every four citizens.

and had there been just 950 Turkish troops with a perfect TC democracy in North; nothing would have changed until a mutually agreed solution is found.

Two "yeses" were needed for Cyprus as a whole to enter the EU and the international community make good its promises to the long-suffering people in the north.

Do u think it is Turkey that does not allow us to accept minority status and return of all refugees?

I don't know. Does it matter? Whatever it is you want – or don't want – is not acceptable to those in the free areas, and Turkey's interference makes it more so. So you're back to square one. While Cyprus is now in the EU.

[insan]

As I claim? Sorry, are we living in parallel universes? Are you back on Mars? Or Pluto? There's a soldier for every four citizens.

So, has there been 1 soldier for every 100 citizen the problem would have been solved? Irrelevant. The problem is those "bad apples" existing in almost every institution, especially in "hotspot" places where many local and outside interest groups exists and work for carry out their own "special missions".