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[turkkan]

One of the most honest statements ever made by a TC.

Thank you DT. Its nice to be appreciated. Im going to have to leave you gentleman for know as I have work to do, but looking forward to chatting with you later!

[The Cypriot]

nonsense from top to bottom. For one afrika is more or less screaming what you are saying day and night for plenty of years now.

Which is why they get bombed.

Anyone can read their papers.

Maybe they're scared to, maybe they don't want to read the truth.

The above is simply what you want to beleive. The most striking part of your analysis is the assumption you have that we are all idiots (or 'donkeys' as you put it),

Donkey is an affectionate term for a Cypriot... the island has many donkeys.

yet you are the bright spark who knows it all and we should listen to you.

Hey, the truth hurts so I can understand you turning aggressive.

Ofcourse a two-state solution is possible, we took the land, we wiped out almost any evidence of your existence, we turkified the whole place and allowed enough time to pass for another generation to grow as well as import settlers to maintain our numbers.

How civilised of you. What are you a human or a virus?

90% of the work is done.

0% of the work has been done. You are a fool living in a fool's paradise. Do you know how many scum like you have passed through Cyprus over the aeons?

As far as everyday life is concerned two-states exist in cyprus.

One state exists. And the other is a protectorate depending entirely on Turkey for its survival. That situation hasn't changed in 35 years nor can it.

Anything left is purely success in the diplomatic arena.

Diplomacy isn't your strong point. "might-is-right" doesn't go down well in diplomatic circles.

If we have to wait several decades for that then we will. We aint going anywhere.

Yes you are, you're going to hell. In fact, you're there already.

[denizaksulu]

As a Turkish Cypriot but foremost a Cypriot I denounce the TRNC everyday and I want to share with the world why.

The TRNC is destroying the T/C community - it will not only assimilate us but will ruin our community psychologically because of the circumstances in which they live. Living under a foreign occupation and trying to survive makes people do terrible things and destroys the soul.

In the tiny Banana Republic of the TRNC the only way to make material profit is to join the looters club. Turkey's occupation has reduced my community (the Turkish Cypriots) to loyal sycophants, servants and agents. Some know very well what they are doing but others pretend they are unaware that they are being used for Turkey's benefit only. Despite the world calling Sunday's election a T/C election, those who participate in this game created by Ankara never have a chance to represent their own peoples interest.

UBP has traditionally been the party closest to the occupiers since its creation. They are so close that they refer to Turkey as the 'Motherland" and to themselves as the "Babyhomeland" even though they are belittling and patronizing themselves. They call it 'necessity' or 'mutual' benefits or ' aligned interests' but really they are just admitting to serving somebody else's interests other than their own people.

Turkey designed the TRNC in such a way where Ankara pays for everything and therefore controls everything. Meanwhile it tells the T/Cs that nobody cares about them except Turkey, the G/Cs hate them and want to kill them and therefore they ought to show their 'gratitude' more. Meanwhile Turkey ships in more people of its own to assimilate the T/Cs and dilute their votes and democratic rights....

To change the agenda so nobody would notice what is happening beneath their very noses, T/Cs are led to believe that the EU owes them promises and that they live under 'embargoes,' when in actual fact, this deception manipulates people's emotions causing anger and resentment in the community. The fact is the EU made no promises at all and has helped the T/C community as much as it can.
It gave the T/C aid, has offered a direct trade proposal which the T/C leadership turned down and has enabled Green Line Trade. The G/Cs that we are taught to hate who control the Roc Govt pay for T/Cs to have free healthcare even though G/Cs pay for it, they offer them subsidies for schooling and with RoC passports T/Cs can travel, study and work anywhere they want in the EU.

Still some T/C still believe the TRNC is right to exist that might is right and so is theft. They believe the TRNC will be recognised even though in 34 years, Turkey has done very little to promote the TRNC internationally. Turkey clearly prefers an uncommercialised backwater that is dependent on Ankara - its easier to control.

Control is the name of the game. Even CTP, a party democratically supported by T/Cs who marched on the streets in thousands in 2003 and 2004 to oppose Denktash later became another UBP, fighting in a battle of loyalty. In the end nothing separated either party.
In the TRNC left means right, right means left, political parties are so embroiled in sycophancy, corruption and dodgy dealings to survive that political ideology and conviction means nothing. Politicians like most become unprincipled and lack integrity. Like politics, democracy too has become nullified in the TRNC and so the majority of T/C do not believe in the democratic process anymore.

The vales T/Cs are being taught in this TRNC is that in order to get on in life you have to join the looters club, have to be Turkeys man and keep your mouth shut... If you want to eat and feed your family, you had to obey and forget thinking for yourself, and your conscience. I am told the media too are regularly visited by the military too to make sure articles keep to the line wanted by the Turkish 'embassy' and military command in Nicosia.

Elections like those on Sunday are controlled at every level by Turkey. All aspects of life are or can be easily controlled by Turkey. The will of the people, the will of the T/Cs means nothing. The effects of this on our community is greater than you can imagine, it reduces self-confidence, self-worth, belief in democracy and human rights, and turns us into insecure servants or servants of servants, trying to survive.

So, u call upon the earth forces; bosses of globalization to rescue TCs? Ömer, I wonder when u will realize that everything revolves around the interests of the bosses of globalization?

U have a narrow point of view that does not let u evaluate events factually. U simply put all the blame on Turkey and her TC supporters. Fair? What do u want Ömer? 3 Rs and a minority status for TCs? If this is what u want, make it clear, plz. I have respect to everyone's opinions.

I do not want T/Cs to be a protected minority in a Greek state - that goes against peace and all I stand for.

I want a reunified Cyprus for all Cypriots to enjoy with equality between communities, the rule of law, democracy, human rights for all and people having hope and aspirations for their lives. I reject the enslaving of a community under occupation.

The TRNC has given all T/Cs and the Cyprus question all Cypriots a very negative outlook on life, it destroys souls, but I want you to free yourself and to free others from the open prison that is the TRNC. I want you to believe in a Cyprus of freedom, human rights, rule of law and democracy Insan.

I want to appeal to the Insanlik (Humanity) inside you Insan, so that your username really has a meaning, but you have to believe in this by rejecting what you have been taught is unavoidable. You do have a choice...

Ömer, I agree with u that if TCs were governed better by wise, intelligent and skillful politicians, there would be far better life conditions in TRNC. I'm too not satisfied and happy with the social order, economic conditions, our governors, media, teachers, education system and intellectuals but this is what TCs r capable and able to do. This is a fact. It has nothing to do with Turkey and Turkish troops stationed in Cyprus.

We need advance guards in every field of our lives but we don't have. Most of the TCs like u, prefered to emigrate and live an easy, better life in other countries instead staying in Cyprus and struggling to advance our community to a better place. Now u blame the TCs who remained in Cyprus or had to stay in Cyprus bcz they neither economically nor culturally could afford to emigrate somewhere else?

Insan says: Most of the TCs like u, prefered to emigrate and live an easy, better life in other countries instead staying in Cyprus and struggling to advance our community to a better place

I find that statement highly offensive.. Many TC arrived on these foreign shore having been made refugees, directly or indirectly by the Cyprus Prob. Even after 1974, many refugees had nowhere else to go but near their relatives who lived abroad. What was expected of them: join the looters club and become 'GANİMETCİ?'

[turkkan]

Hey, the truth hurts so I can understand you turning aggressive.

Dont compliment yourself old chap. I have no reason to be bitter. Since 74 we live good lives and consider for most part the solution to be solved.

Diplomacy isn't your strong point. "might-is-right" doesn't go down well in diplomatic circles.

Yes, members of the UN security council such france, russia, china america are well known defenders of the oppressed. What world do you live in fool?

Yes you are, you're going to hell. In fact, you're there already.

Im actually in london mate for now and living a good life.

[The Cypriot]

Yes, the stupid TC belevies everything he hears whereas the clever greek knows the truth.

The Cypriot has a pretty good idea, yes. The clever greek has his own problems in his own country to deal with.

out of curiosity what makes you so smug and sure about yourelf?

I have a tremendous amount of dignity and self-respect. I recommend it.

You know very little about TC's, you dont know turkish to read our papers, you think a paper that is considered by the turkish cypriot community to be an advertising magazine 'highly respected'

Toplum Postasi is highly respected in UK government/diplomatic circles that you would need to be wooing to win your "two-state-solution".

and at the end of all this you still see yourself fit to pass judgement on what actually goes on in the north.

I'm putting myself into the head of a dispassionate outside observer, and how they would see things. And try and comment as such. Diplomatically, things don't look good in the north. Not good at all.

What does it matter? We all inter-marry, we are all turks, whats the difference between us and a turk from the black sea lets say or izmir? My family might have been on this island for several centuries but that dosent change the fact that we are turks at the end of the day. And believe me, a lot of turkish cypriots think like me. It dosent mean we want to unite with turkey or that we are against a negotiated solution to the cyprus problem, but we are turks.

I really do hope not all of them do think like you. I'd be very worried for the future of your people if they did.

[insan]

The Cypriot, everyone in North harshly critisize both the TRNC governments and Turkish governments regarding their "wrongs", "ineffective policies" towards the solution of Cyprus problem one way or another. We r on a "hotspot"; hotter than the "hotspot" of South Cyprus. There r various political interest groups both in the North and outside North that works, play politics, exert to create political impressions etc in favour of their self-interests. All outside self-interest groups have local collaboraters and all local self-interest groups have outside backers. Those tiny TC socialists, too.

For more than 50 years, we have been living in an environment where political uncertainity sways the activities of all interest groups, according to changing political circumstances. The immature and slow progression of our democracy is the direct consequence of being on a "hotspot" like Northern Cyprus.

In such an environment, what majority of ordinary people of North wish is ataraxic and prosperity. What I wish is just an idyll in Cyprus or somewhere else suitable for my dreams.

[turkkan]

Toplum Postasi is highly respected in UK government/diplomatic circles that you would need to be wooing to win your "two-state-solution".

if thats the case why does BBC only invite susan nuri, one of the editors of londra gazette to their talk shows concerning turkey and no one from toplum postasi. If what your saying is true, why does MI5 only advertise for recruitment positions in londra gazette and not toplum postasi? Post after post you show you know little about our community.

Diplomatically, things don't look good in the north. Not good at all.

Obviously they dont. But diplomatically the chances of you getting any land back or any solution being signed also look very grim. So its not really as if you are winning at our expense.

[insan]

As a Turkish Cypriot but foremost a Cypriot I denounce the TRNC everyday and I want to share with the world why.

The TRNC is destroying the T/C community - it will not only assimilate us but will ruin our community psychologically because of the circumstances in which they live. Living under a foreign occupation and trying to survive makes people do terrible things and destroys the soul.

In the tiny Banana Republic of the TRNC the only way to make material profit is to join the looters club. Turkey's occupation has reduced my community (the Turkish Cypriots) to loyal sycophants, servants and agents. Some know very well what they are doing but others pretend they are unaware that they are being used for Turkey's benefit only. Despite the world calling Sunday's election a T/C election, those who participate in this game created by Ankara never have a chance to represent their own peoples interest.

UBP has traditionally been the party closest to the occupiers since its creation. They are so close that they refer to Turkey as the 'Motherland" and to themselves as the "Babyhomeland" even though they are belittling and patronizing themselves. They call it 'necessity' or 'mutual' benefits or ' aligned interests' but really they are just admitting to serving somebody else's interests other than their own people.

Turkey designed the TRNC in such a way where Ankara pays for everything and therefore controls everything. Meanwhile it tells the T/Cs that nobody cares about them except Turkey, the G/Cs hate them and want to kill them and therefore they ought to show their 'gratitude' more. Meanwhile Turkey ships in more people of its own to assimilate the T/Cs and dilute their votes and democratic rights....

To change the agenda so nobody would notice what is happening beneath their very noses, T/Cs are led to believe that the EU owes them promises and that they live under 'embargoes,' when in actual fact, this deception manipulates people's emotions causing anger and resentment in the community. The fact is the EU made no promises at all and has helped the T/C community as much as it can.
It gave the T/C aid, has offered a direct trade proposal which the T/C leadership turned down and has enabled Green Line Trade. The G/Cs that we are taught to hate who control the Roc Govt pay for T/Cs to have free healthcare even though G/Cs pay for it, they offer them subsidies for schooling and with RoC passports T/Cs can travel, study and work anywhere they want in the EU.

Still some T/C still believe the TRNC is right to exist that might is right and so is theft. They believe the TRNC will be recognised even though in 34 years, Turkey has done very little to promote the TRNC internationally. Turkey clearly prefers an uncommercialised backwater that is dependent on Ankara - its easier to control.

Control is the name of the game. Even CTP, a party democratically supported by T/Cs who marched on the streets in thousands in 2003 and 2004 to oppose Denktash later became another UBP, fighting in a battle of loyalty. In the end nothing separated either party.
In the TRNC left means right, right means left, political parties are so embroiled in sycophancy, corruption and dodgy dealings to survive that political ideology and conviction means nothing. Politicians like most become unprincipled and lack integrity. Like politics, democracy too has become nullified in the TRNC and so the majority of T/C do not believe in the democratic process anymore.

The vales T/Cs are being taught in this TRNC is that in order to get on in life you have to join the looters club, have to be Turkeys man and keep your mouth shut... If you want to eat and feed your family, you had to obey and forget thinking for yourself, and your conscience. I am told the media too are regularly visited by the military too to make sure articles keep to the line wanted by the Turkish 'embassy' and military command in Nicosia.

Elections like those on Sunday are controlled at every level by Turkey. All aspects of life are or can be easily controlled by Turkey. The will of the people, the will of the T/Cs means nothing. The effects of this on our community is greater than you can imagine, it reduces self-confidence, self-worth, belief in democracy and human rights, and turns us into insecure servants or servants of servants, trying to survive.

So, u call upon the earth forces; bosses of globalization to rescue TCs? Ömer, I wonder when u will realize that everything revolves around the interests of the bosses of globalization?

U have a narrow point of view that does not let u evaluate events factually. U simply put all the blame on Turkey and her TC supporters. Fair? What do u want Ömer? 3 Rs and a minority status for TCs? If this is what u want, make it clear, plz. I have respect to everyone's opinions.

I do not want T/Cs to be a protected minority in a Greek state - that goes against peace and all I stand for.

I want a reunified Cyprus for all Cypriots to enjoy with equality between communities, the rule of law, democracy, human rights for all and people having hope and aspirations for their lives. I reject the enslaving of a community under occupation.

The TRNC has given all T/Cs and the Cyprus question all Cypriots a very negative outlook on life, it destroys souls, but I want you to free yourself and to free others from the open prison that is the TRNC. I want you to believe in a Cyprus of freedom, human rights, rule of law and democracy Insan.

I want to appeal to the Insanlik (Humanity) inside you Insan, so that your username really has a meaning, but you have to believe in this by rejecting what you have been taught is unavoidable. You do have a choice...

Ömer, I agree with u that if TCs were governed better by wise, intelligent and skillful politicians, there would be far better life conditions in TRNC. I'm too not satisfied and happy with the social order, economic conditions, our governors, media, teachers, education system and intellectuals but this is what TCs r capable and able to do. This is a fact. It has nothing to do with Turkey and Turkish troops stationed in Cyprus.

We need advance guards in every field of our lives but we don't have. Most of the TCs like u, prefered to emigrate and live an easy, better life in other countries instead staying in Cyprus and struggling to advance our community to a better place. Now u blame the TCs who remained in Cyprus or had to stay in Cyprus bcz they neither economically nor culturally could afford to emigrate somewhere else?

Insan says: Most of the TCs like u, prefered to emigrate and live an easy, better life in other countries instead staying in Cyprus and struggling to advance our community to a better place

I find that statement highly offensive.. Many TC arrived on these foreign shore having been made refugees, directly or indirectly by the Cyprus Prob. Even after 1974, many refugees had nowhere else to go but near their relatives who lived abroad. What was expected of them: join the looters club and become 'GANİMETCİ?'

So, Deniz; u accuse all TCs who remained in Cyprus being "looters" or forced for "looting"? Make it clear please.

[The Cypriot]

Dont compliment yourself old chap. I have no reason to be bitter. Since 74 we live good lives and consider for most part the solution to be solved.

Yes but you live a good life in London. I wonder whether those in the north think the same as you. And you're in no better position to speak for them than I am.

Yes, members of the UN security council such france, russia, china america are well known defenders of the oppressed. What world do you live in fool?

There's a really nasty streak in you, turkkan that I, and I suspect others, find objectionable. You're the one who said diplomacy was all that was need to gain the final '10%'. If by diplomacy you really mean "might-is-right" aggression, then be my guest. Start with France, and then work your way through all the rest of the "defenders of the oppressed".

Im actually in london mate for now and living a good life.

Ah I see. And there was me thinking I could get a real insight into what was going on in the north from you.

[turkkan]

Yes but you live a good life in London. I wonder whether those in the north think the same as you. And you're in no better position to speak for them than I am.

I swear i mentioned in the previous thread that I was a student. Ive only been here a few years 'cypriot'. If you put aside the bars, clubs and large pool of women, the quality of life in the TRNC is far better than that in london.