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[turkkan]

I didn't complain about it. You're the one who as casting dispersions about a highly credible, highy respected community newspaper in the UK called Toplum Postasi.

Highly respected my ass. Have you ever picked that paper up or any other turkish london weekly? Every turkish london weekly paper whether its londra gazette or toplum postasi or any of the other smaller ones is at par with The sun, except they lack page 3 which makes them worthless. The readers primarily aim is to look at advertisements, which make up 70% of the paper and any local events. You seriously dont know much about us.

Your kutlu adali answers are not proof of anything, in many developed countries journalists have been killed when trying to report on organised crime rackets. Italy lost 3-4 judges to their mafia in the past ten years, yet you probably have no criticism in their system.

[The Cypriot]

Kutlu Adali was obviously killed because he published a paper about a smuggling scheme,note not for his political opinion, he published a story about an organised crime racket and was taken out for it.

Is that what your newspapers tell you? Why don't you Google his name and see what more (perhaps) free, independent sources say.

As a turkish officer was probably involved the government decided to back off and not investigate it properly. You will find very few TC's who deny that or support it. It was a mistake and that officer should be brought to justice as well as anyone else involved if he can be linked to the killing.

That such a fine journalist, poet, socio-political researcher and peace advocate can be murdered in cold blood is an outrage and a clear attack on freedom of speech. (Not a "mistake"). Why aren't journalists, say like halil, campaigning for the perpetrators of this crime to be brought to justice?

This is what would happen in a free, democratic society. Where are your people's balls, turkkan?


quote="turkkan"]
But since kutlu adali was killed in 96, tell me what journalist has been intimidated or arrested?[/quote]

If I was a journalist in the north and one of my colleagues had been assassinated, I might be intimidated enough not to make the same mistake as he did; intimidated enough not to write things that might get me arrested; intimidated enough to get the hell out of the country. (Maybe I'd just toe the regime line, and say that "might-is-right" - like you do).

But braver people than you have been arrested... See link:

http://www.freemedia.at/cms/ipi/stateme ... &year=2000

[The Cypriot]

Highly respected my ass.

Not by you certainly but I'm not sure the opinions of someone who believes "might-is-right" are credible.

Have you ever picked that paper up or any other turkish london weekly?

Yes.

Every turkish london weekly paper whether its londra gazette or toplum postasi or any of the other smaller ones is at par with The sun, except they lack page 3 which makes them worthless. The readers primarily aim is to look at advertisements, which make up 70% of the paper and any local events. You seriously dont know much about us.

I know that in the north, in the last election, there were 100,000 settlers voting and only 60,000 locals.

Your kutlu adali answers are not proof of anything, in many developed countries journalists have been killed when trying to report on organised crime rackets.

Organised crime? Give me a break. Is that what your 'newspapers' said?

Italy lost 3-4 judges to their mafia in the past ten years, yet you probably have no criticism in their system.

Who says I don't? But I'm not interested in Italy. I'm interested in Cyprus.

[DT.]

Out of curiosity, how many times has Levent been thrown in jail?

Who bombed Afrika's offices?

[turkkan]

Who bombed Afrika's offices?

Afrikas officers were bombed three times, and every single one of those times they suffered minimum damage to their property or any of their printing machines. They planted those bombs themselves to make themselves into martyrs. The real question is how many newspapers does afrika sell on average per day?

Not by you certainly but I'm not sure the opinions of someone who believes "might-is-right" are credible.

i never said might is right smartass, what i said is that most issues of strategic importance in foreign relations is governed by who has power.

I know that in the north, in the last election, there were 100,000 settlers voting and only 60,000 locals.

No you dont. What you know is that a newspaper in turkey called sabah, which is owned by a pro-AKP group published that figure and then it was picked up by your papers and presented as a fact. Erdogan did everything in his power to prevent UBP from winning by making up an ergenekon allegation a week before the elections, by sending his EU accession negotiator to meet talat 4 days before the election and by publishing these stories. What you know is what AKP wants you to know.


Cypriot, you never answer my question, do you honestly beleive most turkish cypriots are intimidated about their opinions on a cyprus problem, and what they actually want is not very different to what the GC official position is?

[The Cypriot]

The Cypriot, im curious, do you seriously beleive that the vast majority of TC's, and im talking about the vast majority here, are against a two state solution and want a solution that is similar to what you have in mind but are to afraid to say it because of intimidation?

Why are they even contemplating the idea of a two-state solution when such a solution simply cannot happen? There is no possibility.

Not in 35 years. Not in 1,035 years. What will happen is reunification or the continuation of the status quo.

The only reason people in the north (the vast majority of whom are no longer indigenous) contemplate the idea of a two-state solution is because their regime – and the newspapers their regime controls – tells them to. Because they're not interested in your well-being as a people, but in the land they control using you as an excuse.

So they dangle a carrot in front of you... and, like donkeys, you keep trying to grab it, but each time you try, the carrot just gets further away.

And when a journalist comes along and says: "Hey guys, this isn't working. The carrot they keep promising us, it's on a stick that's attached to our head. And each time we take a step forward, the carrot moves too."

No one wants to hear him. No one wants to hear the truth because the truth hurts. And the regime certainly doesn't want you to hear the truth either. Because it hurts them and the interests they have on the island.

So the journalist is silenced. And no one does anything about it.

[turkkan]

nonsense from top to bottom. For one afrika is more or less screaming what you are saying day and night for plenty of years now. Anyone can read their papers. The above is simply what you want to beleive. The most striking part of your analysis is the assumption you have that we are all idiots (or 'donkeys' as you put it), yet you are the bright spark who knows it all and we should listen to you. Ofcourse a two-state solution is possible, we took the land, we wiped out almost any evidence of your existence, we turkified the whole place and allowed enough time to pass for another generation to grow as well as import settlers to maintain our numbers. 90% of the work is done. As far as everyday life is concerned two-states exist in cyprus. Anything left is purely success in the diplomatic arena. If we have to wait several decades for that then we will. We aint going anywhere.

[The Cypriot]

Afrikas officers were bombed three times, and every single one of those times they suffered minimum damage to their property or any of their printing machines. They planted those bombs themselves to make themselves into martyrs.

Is that what they tell you? And you believe it?

The real question is how many newspapers does afrika sell on average per day?

Christ, if their offices are being bombed all the time I might think twice about their newspaper. Maybe the regime would target me too!

i never said might is right smartass, what i said is that most issues of strategic importance in foreign relations is governed by who has power.

Don't try and wriggle turkkan... you said what you said.

No you dont. What you know is that a newspaper in turkey called sabah, which is owned by a pro-AKP group published that figure and then it was picked up by your papers and presented as a fact. Erdogan did everything in his power to prevent UBP from winning by making up an ergenekon allegation a week before the elections, by sending his EU accession negotiator to meet talat 4 days before the election and by publishing these stories. What you know is what AKP wants you to know.

Now I'm confused. So how many indigenous Cypriots are there in the north and how many settlers? And is this something you're happy about? And are you a Cypriot?

[DT.]

One of the most honest statements ever made by a TC.

Ofcourse a two-state solution is possible, we took the land, we wiped out almost any evidence of your existence, we turkified the whole place and allowed enough time to pass for another generation to grow as well as import settlers to maintain our numbers. 90% of the work is done. As far as everyday life is concerned two-states exist in cyprus.

[turkkan]

Don't try and wriggle turkkan... you said what you said.

Hmm, this is an anonymous forum cypriot, theirs nothing to wriggle away from. What i said can easily be seen by anyone.

Is that what they tell you? And you believe it?

Yes, the stupid TC belevies everything he hears whereas the clever greek knows the truth. out of curiosity what makes you so smug and sure about yourelf? You know very little about TC's, you dont know turkish to read our papers, you think a paper that is considered by the turkish cypriot community to be an advertising magazine 'highly respected' and at the end of all this you still see yourself fit to pass judgement on what actually goes on in the north.

Now I'm confused. So how many indigenous Cypriots are there in the north and how many settlers? And is this something you're happy about? And are you a Cypriot?

What does it matter? We all inter-marry, we are all turks, whats the difference between us and a turk from the black sea lets say or izmir? My family might have been on this island for several centuries but that dosent change the fact that we are turks at the end of the day. And believe me, a lot of turkish cypriots think like me. It dosent mean we want to unite with turkey or that we are against a negotiated solution to the cyprus problem, but we are turks.