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Postby turkkan » Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:00 pm

omers been reading to much toplum postasi from the sounds of it.
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Postby The Cypriot » Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:06 pm

turkkan wrote:omers been reading to much toplum postasi from the sounds of it.


You mean that newspaper published in a part of the world where freedom of expression is respected and where journalists don't live in fear of arrest, imprisonment, torture and assassination for writing articles questioning the controlling regime?
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Postby turkkan » Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:09 pm

Afrika spews its garbage day and night yet they dont seem particularly intimidated do they. Every other TC newspaper abroad supports the general governments line, so please dont try and present toplum postasi as a paper that is free to write the TC's opinion as it is can write freely.
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Postby halil » Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:17 pm

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turkkan wrote:omers been reading to much toplum postasi from the sounds of it.


You mean that newspaper published in a part of the world where freedom of expression is respected and where journalists don't live in fear of arrest, imprisonment, torture and assassination for writing articles questioning the controlling regime?


they do write and they speaks freely sir .

tell me whats all about (Boycott "The Telegraph" Newspaper? What more?)
topic in this forum .u telling me about freedom of speech ....
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Postby The Cypriot » Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:33 pm

turkkan wrote:Afrika spews its garbage day and night yet they dont seem particularly intimidated do they.


I've no idea. I can't comment. Have you spoken to any of their journalists to find out whether they feel intimidated? If not, then you can't comment either.

turkkan wrote: Every other TC newspaper abroad supports the general governments line,


Do they? This is very unhealthy for any 'democracy' - real or – as in your case – imaginery.

turkkan wrote:so please dont try and present toplum postasi as a paper that is free to write the TC's opinion as it is can write freely.


It certainly is free to express TC opinion as it is published in the UK where freedom of speech legislation protects journalists who express their views freely. So please don't try and tell me otherwise Mr "Might-is-Right", because you've proven yourself not to be a credible in matters relating to objectivity.
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Postby turkkan » Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:43 pm

It certainly is free to express TC opinion as it is published in the UK where freedom of speech legislation protects journalists who express their views freely.


It can publish whatever the hell it wants, im not against it and never said I was. Its just that the opinions presented are not the opinions of the vast majority of the TC's. As for credibility, I dont need your judgment on it. You know jack shit about TCs aside from what cheap propaganda is fed by your government.



I've no idea. I can't comment. Have you spoken to any of their journalists to find out whether they feel intimidated? If not, then you can't comment either.


If you have no idea then why are you claiming that they live in fear of intimidation or arrest? We are a very small community (In Cyprus) and we tend to know each other quite well. If i was to add most of the TC's on this forum on facebook I have no doubt that i would know most of them through a friend or relative. So I would say i know the situation here a lot better than you, no journalist lives in fear of intimidation or arrest except in your imagination.


Do they? This is very unhealthy for any 'democracy' - real or – as in your case – imaginery.


Oh thats a clever one. If its imaginary why do us TC's not complain about it yet only you GC's seem to complain about it. Second, i read your papers every morning, same shit different paper.
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Postby The Cypriot » Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:44 pm

halil wrote:they do write and they speaks freely sir .


Do they, sir? Then perhaps you'd like to tell me what happened to Kutlu Adali.

Out of respect for a fellow colleague, may he rest in peace, let's see if you're able to talk freely about it. And what happened to those who murdered him.


halil wrote:tell me whats all about (Boycott "The Telegraph" Newspaper? What more?)
topic in this forum .u telling me about freedom of speech ....


What are you talking about? How has a discussion on the CF inhibited the Telegraph's freedom of speech? If you're going to debate me then at least do me, and other forum members/observers who may be reading, the courtesy of developing an argument worthy of discussion.
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Postby turkkan » Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:52 pm

Kutlu Adali was obviously killed because he published a paper about a smuggling scheme,note not for his political opinion, he published a story about an organised crime racket and was taken out for it. As a turkish officer was probably involved the government decided to back off and not investigate it properly. You will find very few TC's who deny that or support it. It was a mistake and that officer should be brought to justice as well as anyone else involved if he can be linked to the killing. But since kutlu adali was killed in 96, tell me what journalist has been intimidated or arrested?
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Postby turkkan » Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:53 pm

The Cypriot, im curious, do you seriously beleive that the vast majority of TC's, and im talking about the vast majority here, are against a two state solution and want a solution that is similar to what you have in mind but are to afraid to say it because of intimidation?
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Postby The Cypriot » Thu Apr 23, 2009 2:02 pm

turkkan wrote:It can publish whatever the hell it wants, im not against it and never said I was.


That's a relief. I was worred whether you'd say they should only publish what is right, ie. what the mighty believe is right - which is, after all, your usual position.

turkkan wrote:Its just that the opinions presented are not the opinions of the vast majority of the TC's.


And how do you know what their opinion actually is? If newspapers aren't necessarily free to tell us?

turkkan wrote:As for credibility, I dont need your judgment on it. You know jack shit about TCs aside


Certainly not, because your newspapers aren't necessarily able to report the truth about what's really going on there.

turkkan wrote:from what cheap propaganda is fed by your government.


I don't get my propoganda from my government. (Actually my government is the UK government and they don't really give 'jack shit' about Cyprus). I get my information from a range of independent sources. Including this Forum, where people like you tell me "Might-is-Right" in the north.

turkkan wrote:If you have no idea then why are you claiming that they live in fear of intimidation or arrest?


Kutlu Adali (1935-1996)

turkkan wrote:We are a very small community (In Cyprus)


and getting smaller all the time.

turkkan wrote: and we tend to know each other quite well. If i was to add most of the TC's on this forum on facebook I have no doubt that i would know most of them through a friend or relative. So I would say i know the situation here a lot better than you, no journalist lives in fear of intimidation or arrest except in your imagination.


OK. So Kutlu Adali (1935-1996) is a figment of my imagination.


turkkan wrote:Oh thats a clever one.


Thanks. I pride myself in this area.

turkkan wrote:If its imaginary why do us TC's not complain about it


Kutlu Adali (1935-1996)

turkkan wrote:yet only you GC's seem to complain about it.


I didn't complain about it. You're the one who as casting dispersions about a highly credible, highy respected community newspaper in the UK called Toplum Postasi.
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