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[The Cypriot]

A minor point? You have lost the plot here.

The plot was to overthrow the president and for America to control Cyprus via Greece. What plot have I lost and how does this take away from anything I said originally? I'm really not sure what point Oracle is trying to make.

Numerous refugees and and dead a minor point indeed. I give up on you.

And nor do I understand what point you are trying to make.

There you go again patronising people again.

If you could only hear the huge sigh I am making as I try and make head or tail of this exchange.

[Get Real!]

Oracle, you are coming up with pitiful excuses to justify those who began the destruction of Cyprus; the Greek government, and the Greek-backed treasonous Cypriot fools who had mythological and wet Hellenic dreams!

Myself, and others have posted the Kakoyiannis video “The Rape of Cyprus” that should remove any myths like the ones you create, as to the intentions of these treasonous clowns; the protagonists speak for themselves in an interview!

The Enosis story is something that ignorant fools like YOU are keeping very much alive at genuine Cypriot’s expense, with your constant “Hellenic this” and “Hellenic that” crap via your junk shit-stirring threads and elsewhere, and that’s why I have no respect for you or anyone else who is a nuisance to Cyprus.

[The Cypriot]

No GR! ... that is grossly unfair. I just don't like assumptions especially when all they do is serve the Turks. As this one for Enosis clearly did/does!

What assumptions, O? That EOKA-B wanted enosis?

I don't know any mainland Greeks who have ever wanted Enosis with Cyprus, myself and all my relatives included. (The reasons are not necessarily complimentary . )

Believe me, the feeling, complimentary or not, is entirely mutual as far as I am concerned.

But I know plenty of Cypriots who wanted Enosis ...

Well what else are we talking about if not Cypriots who wanted enosis.

Now think, carefully, who in practice it suits to continue the Myth of Enosis .....

What myth of enosis? What did EOKA B want in 1974 if not enosis? In 1974 Greece was under military dictarship. The democratic will of the Greek people in relation to enosis was never part of the equation at the time.

[Oracle]

Oracle, you are coming up with pitiful excuses to justify those who began the destruction of Cyprus; the Greek government, and the Greek-backed treasonous Cypriot fools who had mythological and wet Hellenic dreams!

I haven't come up with any excuses. There are no justifications for what the junta did. But Hellenism was not on the agenda ... the GCs have inherited Hellenism no matter what. Enosis was a separate political aim of some GCs, not Greeks!

Myself, and others have posted the Kakoyiannis video “The Rape of Cyprus” that should remove any myths like the ones you create, as to the intentions of these treasonous clowns; the protagonists speak for themselves in an interview!

Those were the opinions of GCs. Not Greeks. I don't dispute some GCs wanted Enosis ... I just never knew of any Greeks who did. That's all!

The Enosis story is something that ignorant fools like YOU are keeping very much alive at genuine Cypriot’s expense, with your constant “Hellenic this” and “Hellenic that” crap via your junk shit-stirring threads and elsewhere, and that’s why I have no respect for you or anyone else who is a nuisance to Cyprus.

Enosis and Hellenism are two different things GR! and if you got that into your little head you may stop polarising people.

Hellenism we have through hereditary obligations ... Enosis may be what some GCs aspired to .... and I am not one of them!

[Oracle]

A minor point? You have lost the plot here.

The plot was to overthrow the president and for America to control Cyprus via Greece. What plot have I lost and how does this take away from anything I said originally? I'm really not sure what point Oracle is trying to make.

I though you sussed mischief-maker Deniz earlier ....

If I have any points to make, I will make them to you. Please don't allow Deniz to transpose his distortions.

The plot was to overthrow the president and for America to control Cyprus via Greece.

I agree with you 100%.

[The Cypriot]

Hellenism we have through hereditary obligations ... Enosis may be what some GCs aspired to .... and I am not one of them!

Until the whole of Cyprus is free our obligations, to paraphrase an infamous slogan, are to "Cyprus and only Cyprus".

[miltiades]

The premise that Enosis was the goal for the coup is wrong. Otherwise, the junta would not have 'respected' the Presidential post enough to replace Makarios with Sampson, but would have dissolved the Republic instead.

A coup is simply an unconstitutional deposition of a legitimate government with an illegitimate one. Once that has been achieved, the illegitimate government can modify whatever it wants and when it wants!

Fair enough. It was an illegitimate act, I don't deny that. What none of us know as fact, are what their long term intentions were. To deduce it was Enosis is simply one view, yours and, expediently, the Turks'.

In the case of Samson and Co, they only lasted five days in “power” so there wasn’t enough time for them to put any of their future plans into effect.

You are assuming they had future plans other than setting up the Puppet.

Not that most people were waiting with bated breath as to what those plans would’ve been… except yourself!

No GR! ... that is grossly unfair. I just don't like assumptions especially when all they do is serve the Turks. As this one for Enosis clearly did/does!

I don't know any mainland Greeks who have ever wanted Enosis with Cyprus, myself and all my relatives included. (The reasons are not necessarily complimentary . )

But I know plenty of Cypriots who wanted Enosis ... and I am not one of them. I love having two homelands, Cyprus being number ONE, because I was born here So I am very protective of the Independence of BOTH.

Now think, carefully, who in practice it suits to continue the Myth of Enosis .....

The Greeks , mostly ill mannered uncouth utterly unsophisticated looked down on the Cypriots !!!
I have said it before , many times in fact . When a few years back they were wiping the rears with newspapers , we in Cyprus were using bidets !!
When we in Cyprus were demanding ENOSIS with the the Greeks , it should have been the other way around they demanding ENOSIS with us.
I make no bones about it , we have nothing at all to learn from these microastous , nose pickers , street spitters untrustworthy selfish uncaring egoistic people.

O has told us what the Greeks thought of us and still do the bloody cowards .

[Oracle]

No GR! ... that is grossly unfair. I just don't like assumptions especially when all they do is serve the Turks. As this one for Enosis clearly did/does!

What assumptions, O? That EOKA-B wanted enosis?

No GR! was asserting that Greece wanted Enosis with Cyprus. An absurd claim.

That EOKA B' wanted Enosis I do not dispute ..... but they were GCs, not Greeks.

I don't know any mainland Greeks who have ever wanted Enosis with Cyprus, myself and all my relatives included. (The reasons are not necessarily complimentary . )

Believe me, the feeling, complimentary or not, is entirely mutual as far as I am concerned.

Good! I love my little Cyprus being an Independent woman-of-the future!

But I know plenty of Cypriots who wanted Enosis ...

Well what else are we talking about if not Cypriots who wanted enosis.

I thought GR! was asserting that Greeks also wanted Enosis ... when evidence suggests they view Cyprus as an Independent country (which admittedly is a part of the common Hellenic history)

Now think, carefully, who in practice it suits to continue the Myth of Enosis .....

What myth of enosis? What did EOKA B want in 1974 if not enosis? In 1974 Greece was under military dictarship. The democratic will of the Greek people in relation to enosis was never part of the equation at the time.

Looking at the evidence; the junta wanted something else, and not Enosis, so it's a myth to suggest they did, since we do not know. It's also a myth that Greece had or has Enosis desires upon Cyprus.

What is not a myth, is that there were GCs who desired Enosis ... but probably only as a safeguard against Turks.

Confusing Hellenism (a hereditary thing) with Enosis (a political thing) only serves the Turks ... they use one (Enosis) to beat us up about the other (Hellenism). Some foolishly cannot see that!

[Oracle]

Hellenism we have through hereditary obligations ... Enosis may be what some GCs aspired to .... and I am not one of them!

Until the whole of Cyprus is free our obligations, to paraphrase an infamous slogan, are to "Cyprus and only Cyprus".

I agree again. But I don't see that what makes some (most) Cypriots what they are, through birth, as being a problem towards the aim for freedom and unification. In fact, we should keep using Hellenism to remind our allies in Europe that we are part of Europe, as Hellenism surely is ... and not part of some Turkish-Asiatism, which most in Europe abhor!

[Oracle]

The premise that Enosis was the goal for the coup is wrong. Otherwise, the junta would not have 'respected' the Presidential post enough to replace Makarios with Sampson, but would have dissolved the Republic instead.

A coup is simply an unconstitutional deposition of a legitimate government with an illegitimate one. Once that has been achieved, the illegitimate government can modify whatever it wants and when it wants!

Fair enough. It was an illegitimate act, I don't deny that. What none of us know as fact, are what their long term intentions were. To deduce it was Enosis is simply one view, yours and, expediently, the Turks'.

In the case of Samson and Co, they only lasted five days in “power” so there wasn’t enough time for them to put any of their future plans into effect.

You are assuming they had future plans other than setting up the Puppet.

Not that most people were waiting with bated breath as to what those plans would’ve been… except yourself!

No GR! ... that is grossly unfair. I just don't like assumptions especially when all they do is serve the Turks. As this one for Enosis clearly did/does!

I don't know any mainland Greeks who have ever wanted Enosis with Cyprus, myself and all my relatives included. (The reasons are not necessarily complimentary . )

But I know plenty of Cypriots who wanted Enosis ... and I am not one of them. I love having two homelands, Cyprus being number ONE, because I was born here So I am very protective of the Independence of BOTH.

Now think, carefully, who in practice it suits to continue the Myth of Enosis .....

The Greeks , mostly ill mannered uncouth utterly unsophisticated looked down on the Cypriots !!!
I have said it before , many times in fact . When a few years back they were wiping the rears with newspapers , we in Cyprus were using bidets !!
When we in Cyprus were demanding ENOSIS with the the Greeks , it should have been the other way around they demanding ENOSIS with us.
I make no bones about it , we have nothing at all to learn from these microastous , nose pickers , street spitters untrustworthy selfish uncaring egoistic people.

O has told us what the Greeks thought of us and still do the bloody cowards .

Stop spitting!