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[humanist]

:):):):):GR .... your funny man and insan will be starkly surprised when all four will take over the little darlings fear

[boomerang]

In 15-20 years time, the so-called Europeanization will erase the last traces of Cypriotness on this island.

So what’s going to catch your children first Insan… Europeanization, Globalization, Turkification, or assimilation?

It looks like every ation is after you!

None of the above could catch me or my children. Under any circumstances I am able to manage to survive as I am and I could well educate my children to be able to survive as their dad has done but as i previously stated my existence on this island rather depends on huge water resources and secondarily depends on it's population. I don't like crowdy places. The day the population of permenant residents of this island reaches 3-4 million; even if there would be huge water resources, I would emigrate to a quiter, rural place in a country that has huge water resources.

or you could move to OZ and become someones bitch...

http://channelnine.ninemsn.com.au/thefarmerwantsawife/

[miltiades]

It is time the T/Cs begun to reject Turkeys onslaught on their existence , reclaim their true identity that of the T/C
and challenge the influence exerted by Turkey and the settlers in every walk of life.
Cyprus is part of Europe and they have the choice to be part of Europe rather than part of a third world nation that still tolerates honour killings .
I wonder how many T/C fathers would be happy to see their daughters married to settlers , not many I should think.
T/Cs must resist efforts to eradicate their identity of a T/C.
Eradicating village and town names is one despicable act but eradicating an entire community is paramount to murder.
All Cypriots now know full well that the T/Cs are not the negotiating party but the settlers with Turkey are .
Turkish Cypriots must resist .

[boomerang]

In those heady (for the Turks) days of 1974 and the headlong chauvinist charge that followed, the Tc side overlooked a fact- that in the days following the coup the GCs won their independence from Greece.

The clash between GCs and the mainland led coupists was the MAJOR event of July 1974. But the propaganda and the brainwashing the TCs underwent since then has not allowed them to understand this historical fact. In effect we could say that the Cypriot state was born on July 15 1974. The ensuing years, during which the GCs managed to hold the state together, preventing dissolution, mass emigration and economic collapse showed how quickly the GC community had matured.

The proof of the maturity came in 2004 when Cyprus was accepted in the EU having succesfully passed all tests and fulfilling all its obligations in record time.

Totally corrupted by Turkish cynicism the TC could not see the magnitute of the accomplishment of their fellow Cypriots for what it is- the first effective ssertion of Cypriotness in modern history. Stuck in the cynical Turkish world view the TCs will repeat mantras like "you were helped by...... Greece, USA, UK, fill in the blank with your choice. Nobody helps anyone enter the EU. A nation either passes the tests or it does not. Cyprus passed.

And now, instead of claiming their freedom, the TCs are still ruminating whether it would be better to be stuck in a Turkish controlled chamber of extinction or join a modern state as political equals. A state to the creation of which they contributed almost nothing, and will pay nothing for what they get.

VP above asks what is the alternative. This is the atlernative, to rejoin Cyprus. The other alternative is already half done, the election results should be a very loud and clear message. For every TC that voted there were TWO non Cypriot voters. How will the ratio be in the next election?

In 15-20 years time, the so-called Europeanization will erase the last traces of Cypriotness on this island. Overwhelming majority of Cyprus youth is under heavy influence of Europeanized life style. Most of them don't care abt good old family values anymore.

After 15-20 years being united or sepertated will loose it's meaning. Cyprus will become the second home of rich people all around the world. The richests of the world will play tricky political games on Cypriots in order to make them give consent for the sale of their properties to those rich non-Cypriots. The degenerated life style and various criminal activities will lead the emigration of middle class Cypriots.

It is obvious to me that GC community was deceived one more time by their leadership, Greek leadership and some political interest groups of Europe for the sake of owning the whole of Cyprus(The so-called national cause).

I hope TCs in North realize this fact and put their lives and affairs in a good order for a better future in their homeland.

Firstly titty man you always asked for an explanation of what is Cypriotism...Now you seemed to know exactly what it means...care to explain you new found knowledge on the subject?

Secondly, the majority of cavemen embraced progress and some did not...you reflest the latter titty man...

[denizaksulu]

In those heady (for the Turks) days of 1974 and the headlong chauvinist charge that followed, the Tc side overlooked a fact- that in the days following the coup the GCs won their independence from Greece.

The clash between GCs and the mainland led coupists was the MAJOR event of July 1974. But the propaganda and the brainwashing the TCs underwent since then has not allowed them to understand this historical fact. In effect we could say that the Cypriot state was born on July 15 1974. The ensuing years, during which the GCs managed to hold the state together, preventing dissolution, mass emigration and economic collapse showed how quickly the GC community had matured.

The proof of the maturity came in 2004 when Cyprus was accepted in the EU having succesfully passed all tests and fulfilling all its obligations in record time.

Totally corrupted by Turkish cynicism the TC could not see the magnitute of the accomplishment of their fellow Cypriots for what it is- the first effective ssertion of Cypriotness in modern history. Stuck in the cynical Turkish world view the TCs will repeat mantras like "you were helped by...... Greece, USA, UK, fill in the blank with your choice. Nobody helps anyone enter the EU. A nation either passes the tests or it does not. Cyprus passed.

And now, instead of claiming their freedom, the TCs are still ruminating whether it would be better to be stuck in a Turkish controlled chamber of extinction or join a modern state as political equals. A state to the creation of which they contributed almost nothing, and will pay nothing for what they get.

VP above asks what is the alternative. This is the atlernative, to rejoin Cyprus. The other alternative is already half done, the election results should be a very loud and clear message. For every TC that voted there were TWO non Cypriot voters. How will the ratio be in the next election?

Nikitas says: In effect we could say that the Cypriot state was born on July 15 1974. The ensuing years, during which the GCs managed to hold the state together, preventing dissolution

Are you dreaming. You lost nearly half the island and you say that was a success?

I better look up for the 'new' definition of 'born'. What was it that was born? An amputee? Give me a break.

[Oracle]

In those heady (for the Turks) days of 1974 and the headlong chauvinist charge that followed, the Tc side overlooked a fact- that in the days following the coup the GCs won their independence from Greece.

The clash between GCs and the mainland led coupists was the MAJOR event of July 1974. But the propaganda and the brainwashing the TCs underwent since then has not allowed them to understand this historical fact. In effect we could say that the Cypriot state was born on July 15 1974. The ensuing years, during which the GCs managed to hold the state together, preventing dissolution, mass emigration and economic collapse showed how quickly the GC community had matured.

The proof of the maturity came in 2004 when Cyprus was accepted in the EU having succesfully passed all tests and fulfilling all its obligations in record time.

Totally corrupted by Turkish cynicism the TC could not see the magnitute of the accomplishment of their fellow Cypriots for what it is- the first effective ssertion of Cypriotness in modern history. Stuck in the cynical Turkish world view the TCs will repeat mantras like "you were helped by...... Greece, USA, UK, fill in the blank with your choice. Nobody helps anyone enter the EU. A nation either passes the tests or it does not. Cyprus passed.

And now, instead of claiming their freedom, the TCs are still ruminating whether it would be better to be stuck in a Turkish controlled chamber of extinction or join a modern state as political equals. A state to the creation of which they contributed almost nothing, and will pay nothing for what they get.

VP above asks what is the alternative. This is the atlernative, to rejoin Cyprus. The other alternative is already half done, the election results should be a very loud and clear message. For every TC that voted there were TWO non Cypriot voters. How will the ratio be in the next election?

Nikitas says: In effect we could say that the Cypriot state was born on July 15 1974. The ensuing years, during which the GCs managed to hold the state together, preventing dissolution

Are you dreaming. You lost nearly half the island and you say that was a success?

I better look up for the 'new' definition of 'born'. What was it that was born? An amputee? Give me a break.

That was an accurate and visionary post by Nkitas. We did not lose half of Cyprus; it became illegally occupied. It still belongs to the RoC and always will. We are negotiating its return.

[denizaksulu]

In those heady (for the Turks) days of 1974 and the headlong chauvinist charge that followed, the Tc side overlooked a fact- that in the days following the coup the GCs won their independence from Greece.

The clash between GCs and the mainland led coupists was the MAJOR event of July 1974. But the propaganda and the brainwashing the TCs underwent since then has not allowed them to understand this historical fact. In effect we could say that the Cypriot state was born on July 15 1974. The ensuing years, during which the GCs managed to hold the state together, preventing dissolution, mass emigration and economic collapse showed how quickly the GC community had matured.

The proof of the maturity came in 2004 when Cyprus was accepted in the EU having succesfully passed all tests and fulfilling all its obligations in record time.

Totally corrupted by Turkish cynicism the TC could not see the magnitute of the accomplishment of their fellow Cypriots for what it is- the first effective ssertion of Cypriotness in modern history. Stuck in the cynical Turkish world view the TCs will repeat mantras like "you were helped by...... Greece, USA, UK, fill in the blank with your choice. Nobody helps anyone enter the EU. A nation either passes the tests or it does not. Cyprus passed.

And now, instead of claiming their freedom, the TCs are still ruminating whether it would be better to be stuck in a Turkish controlled chamber of extinction or join a modern state as political equals. A state to the creation of which they contributed almost nothing, and will pay nothing for what they get.

VP above asks what is the alternative. This is the atlernative, to rejoin Cyprus. The other alternative is already half done, the election results should be a very loud and clear message. For every TC that voted there were TWO non Cypriot voters. How will the ratio be in the next election?

Nikitas says: In effect we could say that the Cypriot state was born on July 15 1974. The ensuing years, during which the GCs managed to hold the state together, preventing dissolution

Are you dreaming. You lost nearly half the island and you say that was a success?

I better look up for the 'new' definition of 'born'. What was it that was born? An amputee? Give me a break.

That was an accurate and visionary post by Nkitas. We did not lose half of Cyprus; it became illegally occupied. It still belongs to the RoC and always will. We are negotiating its return.

Return to the people of Cyprus I hope. Regardless of origin.

[The Cypriot]

Nikitas says: In effect we could say that the Cypriot state was born on July 15 1974. The ensuing years, during which the GCs managed to hold the state together, preventing dissolution

Are you dreaming. You lost nearly half the island and you say that was a success?

I better look up for the 'new' definition of 'born'. What was it that was born? An amputee? Give me a break.

I think I know what Nikitas is driving at. On 15 July in 1974 EOKA-B launch a coup to overthrow the democratically-elected President, a fascist attempt to impose enosis with fascist Greece. The coup was repelled and, a week later, democracy was restored. Turkey, of course meanwhile, took full advantage and did what she did.

All Cypriots are still paying for her actions; and Turkey too is now paying as she tries to reconcile her role in Cyprus with her EU accession aspirations.

But, with the rejection of enosis, the true state of Cyprus was indeed born, albeit partly under foreign military rule.

A state where the aspiration of the majority was clearly and emphatically no longer "union and only union with Greece" while the aspiration of the minority that had hankered for "taksim" was no longer an issue.

A new state, born out of the ashes of civil war, foreign invasion and imposed division. A state which had to stand up, dust itself off, recover, rebuild, regain its dignity and prove to itself and to the world that it could endure.

A state which, against all odds and despite continuing foreign domination in the north, matured and made itself worthy of joining the European family as a full and equal member.

The state of Cyprus was born, albeit severely crippled, in 1974, and it came of age 30 years later, having finally come to terms with a dysfunctional limb, the pain and inconvenience of which could not be allowed to prevent progress.

Cyprus can and will continue to live, work, function and prosper, despite this dysfunctional limb, a source of constant sadness. For what choice does she have?

But the infected limb remains part of her. She will never give up hope that it will one day be saved and she will never, ever agree to amputation.

[denizaksulu]

Nikitas says: In effect we could say that the Cypriot state was born on July 15 1974. The ensuing years, during which the GCs managed to hold the state together, preventing dissolution

Are you dreaming. You lost nearly half the island and you say that was a success?

I better look up for the 'new' definition of 'born'. What was it that was born? An amputee? Give me a break.

I think I know what Nikitas is driving at. On 15 July in 1974 EOKA-B launch a coup to overthrow the democratically-elected President, a fascist attempt to impose enosis with fascist Greece. The coup was repelled and, a week later, democracy was restored. Turkey, of course meanwhile, took full advantage and did what she did.

All Cypriots are still paying for her actions; and Turkey too is now paying as she tries to reconcile her role in Cyprus with her EU accession aspirations.

But, with the rejection of enosis, the true state of Cyprus was indeed born, albeit partly under foreign military rule.

A state where the aspiration of the majority was clearly and emphatically no longer "union and only union with Greece" while the the aspiration of the minority that had hankered for "taksim" was no longer an issue.

A new state, born out of the ashes of civil war, foreign invasion and imposed division. A state which had to stand up, dust itself off, recover, rebuild, regain its dignity and prove to itself and to the world that it could endure.

A state which, against all odds and despite continuing foreign domination in the north, matured and made itself worthy of joining the European family as a full and equal member.

The state of Cyprus was born, albeit severely crippled, in 1974, and it came of age 30 years later, having finally come to terms with a dysfunctional limb, the pain and inconvenience of which could not be allowed to prevent progress.

Cyprus can and will continue to live, work, function and prosper, despite this dysfunctional limb, a source of constant sadness. For what choice does she have?

But the infected limb remains part of her. She will never give up hope that it will one day be saved and she will never, ever agree to amputation.

In that case why does GR have so many detractors vis a vis his stance towards Greece? He does have a point and most of the GC forumers have ganged up upon him; even his best friends

[Oracle]

Nikitas says: In effect we could say that the Cypriot state was born on July 15 1974. The ensuing years, during which the GCs managed to hold the state together, preventing dissolution

Are you dreaming. You lost nearly half the island and you say that was a success?

I better look up for the 'new' definition of 'born'. What was it that was born? An amputee? Give me a break.

I think I know what Nikitas is driving at. On 15 July in 1974 EOKA-B launch a coup to overthrow the democratically-elected President, a fascist attempt to impose enosis with fascist Greece. The coup was repelled and, a week later, democracy was restored. Turkey, of course meanwhile, took full advantage and did what she did.

All Cypriots are still paying for her actions; and Turkey too is now paying as she tries to reconcile her role in Cyprus with her EU accession aspirations.

But, with the rejection of enosis, the true state of Cyprus was indeed born, albeit partly under foreign military rule.

A state where the aspiration of the majority was clearly and emphatically no longer "union and only union with Greece" while the the aspiration of the minority that had hankered for "taksim" was no longer an issue.

A new state, born out of the ashes of civil war, foreign invasion and imposed division. A state which had to stand up, dust itself off, recover, rebuild, regain its dignity and prove to itself and to the world that it could endure.

A state which, against all odds and despite continuing foreign domination in the north, matured and made itself worthy of joining the European family as a full and equal member.

The state of Cyprus was born, albeit severely crippled, in 1974, and it came of age 30 years later, having finally come to terms with a dysfunctional limb, the pain and inconvenience of which could not be allowed to prevent progress.

Cyprus can and will continue to live, work, function and prosper, despite this dysfunctional limb, a source of constant sadness. For what choice does she have?

But the infected limb remains part of her. She will never give up hope that it will one day be saved and she will never, ever agree to amputation.

The premise that Enosis was the goal for the coup is wrong. Otherwise, the junta would not have 'respected' the Presidential post enough to replace Makarios with Sampson, but would have dissolved the Republic instead.

However, your arguments and conclusions are valid and your prognosis spot-on!