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Re: TRNC: Destroying the Soul of A Community

Postby Get Real! » Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:12 am

insan wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
insan wrote:I wonder when u will realize that everything revolves around the interests of the bosses of globalization?

Where do you get these stupid ideas from? :lol:

It's too hard for u to comprehend, Göt Real. :lol:

You nincompoop… if anything in the last 20 odd years, countries have been breaking up into ever-smaller pieces because of heightened intolerances to everything from race, religion, background, etc.

At the smallest level of unity, even divorces have skyrocketed because couples can no longer tolerate each other like they used to, and you think you can streamline the entire world in this day and age when most are taught from childhood that individuality is the way to go?
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Re: TRNC: Destroying the Soul of A Community

Postby insan » Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:13 am

boomerang wrote:
insan wrote:
Omer Seyhan wrote:As a Turkish Cypriot but foremost a Cypriot I denounce the TRNC everyday and I want to share with the world why.

The TRNC is destroying the T/C community - it will not only assimilate us but will ruin our community psychologically because of the circumstances in which they live. Living under a foreign occupation and trying to survive makes people do terrible things and destroys the soul.

In the tiny Banana Republic of the TRNC the only way to make material profit is to join the looters club. Turkey's occupation has reduced my community (the Turkish Cypriots) to loyal sycophants, servants and agents. Some know very well what they are doing but others pretend they are unaware that they are being used for Turkey's benefit only. Despite the world calling Sunday's election a T/C election, those who participate in this game created by Ankara never have a chance to represent their own peoples interest.

UBP has traditionally been the party closest to the occupiers since its creation. They are so close that they refer to Turkey as the 'Motherland" and to themselves as the "Babyhomeland" even though they are belittling and patronizing themselves. They call it 'necessity' or 'mutual' benefits or ' aligned interests' but really they are just admitting to serving somebody else's interests other than their own people.

Turkey designed the TRNC in such a way where Ankara pays for everything and therefore controls everything. Meanwhile it tells the T/Cs that nobody cares about them except Turkey, the G/Cs hate them and want to kill them and therefore they ought to show their 'gratitude' more. Meanwhile Turkey ships in more people of its own to assimilate the T/Cs and dilute their votes and democratic rights....

To change the agenda so nobody would notice what is happening beneath their very noses, T/Cs are led to believe that the EU owes them promises and that they live under 'embargoes,' when in actual fact, this deception manipulates people's emotions causing anger and resentment in the community. The fact is the EU made no promises at all and has helped the T/C community as much as it can.
It gave the T/C aid, has offered a direct trade proposal which the T/C leadership turned down and has enabled Green Line Trade. The G/Cs that we are taught to hate who control the Roc Govt pay for T/Cs to have free healthcare even though G/Cs pay for it, they offer them subsidies for schooling and with RoC passports T/Cs can travel, study and work anywhere they want in the EU.

Still some T/C still believe the TRNC is right to exist that might is right and so is theft. They believe the TRNC will be recognised even though in 34 years, Turkey has done very little to promote the TRNC internationally. Turkey clearly prefers an uncommercialised backwater that is dependent on Ankara - its easier to control.

Control is the name of the game. Even CTP, a party democratically supported by T/Cs who marched on the streets in thousands in 2003 and 2004 to oppose Denktash later became another UBP, fighting in a battle of loyalty. In the end nothing separated either party.
In the TRNC left means right, right means left, political parties are so embroiled in sycophancy, corruption and dodgy dealings to survive that political ideology and conviction means nothing. Politicians like most become unprincipled and lack integrity. Like politics, democracy too has become nullified in the TRNC and so the majority of T/C do not believe in the democratic process anymore.

The vales T/Cs are being taught in this TRNC is that in order to get on in life you have to join the looters club, have to be Turkeys man and keep your mouth shut... If you want to eat and feed your family, you had to obey and forget thinking for yourself, and your conscience. I am told the media too are regularly visited by the military too to make sure articles keep to the line wanted by the Turkish 'embassy' and military command in Nicosia.

Elections like those on Sunday are controlled at every level by Turkey. All aspects of life are or can be easily controlled by Turkey. The will of the people, the will of the T/Cs means nothing. The effects of this on our community is greater than you can imagine, it reduces self-confidence, self-worth, belief in democracy and human rights, and turns us into insecure servants or servants of servants, trying to survive.


So, u call upon the earth forces; bosses of globalization to rescue TCs? Ömer, I wonder when u will realize that everything revolves around the interests of the bosses of globalization?

U have a narrow point of view that does not let u evaluate events factually. U simply put all the blame on Turkey and her TC supporters. Fair? What do u want Ömer? 3 Rs and a minority status for TCs? If this is what u want, make it clear, plz. I have respect to everyone's opinions.


:lol: ...the only one here with blinkers on is none other than you titty man himself...

The last paragraph seems to imply thats all good, had to be done, infringing on others just to satisfy your self... you are nothing but a mastubator titty man...


May I call u Göt Real 2? :lol:
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Postby Oracle » Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:13 am

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Re: TRNC: Destroying the Soul of A Community

Postby Omer Seyhan » Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:13 am

insan wrote:
Omer Seyhan wrote:As a Turkish Cypriot but foremost a Cypriot I denounce the TRNC everyday and I want to share with the world why.

The TRNC is destroying the T/C community - it will not only assimilate us but will ruin our community psychologically because of the circumstances in which they live. Living under a foreign occupation and trying to survive makes people do terrible things and destroys the soul.

In the tiny Banana Republic of the TRNC the only way to make material profit is to join the looters club. Turkey's occupation has reduced my community (the Turkish Cypriots) to loyal sycophants, servants and agents. Some know very well what they are doing but others pretend they are unaware that they are being used for Turkey's benefit only. Despite the world calling Sunday's election a T/C election, those who participate in this game created by Ankara never have a chance to represent their own peoples interest.

UBP has traditionally been the party closest to the occupiers since its creation. They are so close that they refer to Turkey as the 'Motherland" and to themselves as the "Babyhomeland" even though they are belittling and patronizing themselves. They call it 'necessity' or 'mutual' benefits or ' aligned interests' but really they are just admitting to serving somebody else's interests other than their own people.

Turkey designed the TRNC in such a way where Ankara pays for everything and therefore controls everything. Meanwhile it tells the T/Cs that nobody cares about them except Turkey, the G/Cs hate them and want to kill them and therefore they ought to show their 'gratitude' more. Meanwhile Turkey ships in more people of its own to assimilate the T/Cs and dilute their votes and democratic rights....

To change the agenda so nobody would notice what is happening beneath their very noses, T/Cs are led to believe that the EU owes them promises and that they live under 'embargoes,' when in actual fact, this deception manipulates people's emotions causing anger and resentment in the community. The fact is the EU made no promises at all and has helped the T/C community as much as it can.
It gave the T/C aid, has offered a direct trade proposal which the T/C leadership turned down and has enabled Green Line Trade. The G/Cs that we are taught to hate who control the Roc Govt pay for T/Cs to have free healthcare even though G/Cs pay for it, they offer them subsidies for schooling and with RoC passports T/Cs can travel, study and work anywhere they want in the EU.

Still some T/C still believe the TRNC is right to exist that might is right and so is theft. They believe the TRNC will be recognised even though in 34 years, Turkey has done very little to promote the TRNC internationally. Turkey clearly prefers an uncommercialised backwater that is dependent on Ankara - its easier to control.

Control is the name of the game. Even CTP, a party democratically supported by T/Cs who marched on the streets in thousands in 2003 and 2004 to oppose Denktash later became another UBP, fighting in a battle of loyalty. In the end nothing separated either party.
In the TRNC left means right, right means left, political parties are so embroiled in sycophancy, corruption and dodgy dealings to survive that political ideology and conviction means nothing. Politicians like most become unprincipled and lack integrity. Like politics, democracy too has become nullified in the TRNC and so the majority of T/C do not believe in the democratic process anymore.

The vales T/Cs are being taught in this TRNC is that in order to get on in life you have to join the looters club, have to be Turkeys man and keep your mouth shut... If you want to eat and feed your family, you had to obey and forget thinking for yourself, and your conscience. I am told the media too are regularly visited by the military too to make sure articles keep to the line wanted by the Turkish 'embassy' and military command in Nicosia.

Elections like those on Sunday are controlled at every level by Turkey. All aspects of life are or can be easily controlled by Turkey. The will of the people, the will of the T/Cs means nothing. The effects of this on our community is greater than you can imagine, it reduces self-confidence, self-worth, belief in democracy and human rights, and turns us into insecure servants or servants of servants, trying to survive.


So, u call upon the earth forces; bosses of globalization to rescue TCs? Ömer, I wonder when u will realize that everything revolves around the interests of the bosses of globalization?

U have a narrow point of view that does not let u evaluate events factually. U simply put all the blame on Turkey and her TC supporters. Fair? What do u want Ömer? 3 Rs and a minority status for TCs? If this is what u want, make it clear, plz. I have respect to everyone's opinions.


I do not want T/Cs to be a protected minority in a Greek state - that goes against peace and all I stand for.

I want a reunified Cyprus for all Cypriots to enjoy with equality between communities, the rule of law, democracy, human rights for all and people having hope and aspirations for their lives. I reject the enslaving of a community under occupation.

The TRNC has given all T/Cs and the Cyprus question all Cypriots a very negative outlook on life, it destroys souls, but I want you to free yourself and to free others from the open prison that is the TRNC. I want you to believe in a Cyprus of freedom, human rights, rule of law and democracy Insan.

I want to appeal to the Insanlik (Humanity) inside you Insan, so that your username really has a meaning, but you have to believe in this by rejecting what you have been taught is unavoidable. You do have a choice...
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Re: TRNC: Destroying the Soul of A Community

Postby boomerang » Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:14 am

Get Real! wrote:
insan wrote:I wonder when u will realize that everything revolves around the interests of the bosses of globalization?

Where do you get these stupid ideas from? :lol:


Thats what you get when you had your head stuck up your "blink" for too long.... :lol:
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Re: TRNC: Destroying the Soul of A Community

Postby Get Real! » Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:19 am

boomerang wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
insan wrote:I wonder when u will realize that everything revolves around the interests of the bosses of globalization?

Where do you get these stupid ideas from? :lol:


Thats what you get when you had your head stuck up your "blink" for too long.... :lol:

Even the Europeans who had actually intentionally set about "uniting" can't agree to anything other than business issues 30 years on... :roll:
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Re: TRNC: Destroying the Soul of A Community

Postby insan » Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:38 am

Omer Seyhan wrote:
insan wrote:
Omer Seyhan wrote:As a Turkish Cypriot but foremost a Cypriot I denounce the TRNC everyday and I want to share with the world why.

The TRNC is destroying the T/C community - it will not only assimilate us but will ruin our community psychologically because of the circumstances in which they live. Living under a foreign occupation and trying to survive makes people do terrible things and destroys the soul.

In the tiny Banana Republic of the TRNC the only way to make material profit is to join the looters club. Turkey's occupation has reduced my community (the Turkish Cypriots) to loyal sycophants, servants and agents. Some know very well what they are doing but others pretend they are unaware that they are being used for Turkey's benefit only. Despite the world calling Sunday's election a T/C election, those who participate in this game created by Ankara never have a chance to represent their own peoples interest.

UBP has traditionally been the party closest to the occupiers since its creation. They are so close that they refer to Turkey as the 'Motherland" and to themselves as the "Babyhomeland" even though they are belittling and patronizing themselves. They call it 'necessity' or 'mutual' benefits or ' aligned interests' but really they are just admitting to serving somebody else's interests other than their own people.

Turkey designed the TRNC in such a way where Ankara pays for everything and therefore controls everything. Meanwhile it tells the T/Cs that nobody cares about them except Turkey, the G/Cs hate them and want to kill them and therefore they ought to show their 'gratitude' more. Meanwhile Turkey ships in more people of its own to assimilate the T/Cs and dilute their votes and democratic rights....

To change the agenda so nobody would notice what is happening beneath their very noses, T/Cs are led to believe that the EU owes them promises and that they live under 'embargoes,' when in actual fact, this deception manipulates people's emotions causing anger and resentment in the community. The fact is the EU made no promises at all and has helped the T/C community as much as it can.
It gave the T/C aid, has offered a direct trade proposal which the T/C leadership turned down and has enabled Green Line Trade. The G/Cs that we are taught to hate who control the Roc Govt pay for T/Cs to have free healthcare even though G/Cs pay for it, they offer them subsidies for schooling and with RoC passports T/Cs can travel, study and work anywhere they want in the EU.

Still some T/C still believe the TRNC is right to exist that might is right and so is theft. They believe the TRNC will be recognised even though in 34 years, Turkey has done very little to promote the TRNC internationally. Turkey clearly prefers an uncommercialised backwater that is dependent on Ankara - its easier to control.

Control is the name of the game. Even CTP, a party democratically supported by T/Cs who marched on the streets in thousands in 2003 and 2004 to oppose Denktash later became another UBP, fighting in a battle of loyalty. In the end nothing separated either party.
In the TRNC left means right, right means left, political parties are so embroiled in sycophancy, corruption and dodgy dealings to survive that political ideology and conviction means nothing. Politicians like most become unprincipled and lack integrity. Like politics, democracy too has become nullified in the TRNC and so the majority of T/C do not believe in the democratic process anymore.

The vales T/Cs are being taught in this TRNC is that in order to get on in life you have to join the looters club, have to be Turkeys man and keep your mouth shut... If you want to eat and feed your family, you had to obey and forget thinking for yourself, and your conscience. I am told the media too are regularly visited by the military too to make sure articles keep to the line wanted by the Turkish 'embassy' and military command in Nicosia.

Elections like those on Sunday are controlled at every level by Turkey. All aspects of life are or can be easily controlled by Turkey. The will of the people, the will of the T/Cs means nothing. The effects of this on our community is greater than you can imagine, it reduces self-confidence, self-worth, belief in democracy and human rights, and turns us into insecure servants or servants of servants, trying to survive.


So, u call upon the earth forces; bosses of globalization to rescue TCs? Ömer, I wonder when u will realize that everything revolves around the interests of the bosses of globalization?

U have a narrow point of view that does not let u evaluate events factually. U simply put all the blame on Turkey and her TC supporters. Fair? What do u want Ömer? 3 Rs and a minority status for TCs? If this is what u want, make it clear, plz. I have respect to everyone's opinions.


I do not want T/Cs to be a protected minority in a Greek state - that goes against peace and all I stand for.

I want a reunified Cyprus for all Cypriots to enjoy with equality between communities, the rule of law, democracy, human rights for all and people having hope and aspirations for their lives. I reject the enslaving of a community under occupation.

The TRNC has given all T/Cs and the Cyprus question all Cypriots a very negative outlook on life, it destroys souls, but I want you to free yourself and to free others from the open prison that is the TRNC. I want you to believe in a Cyprus of freedom, human rights, rule of law and democracy Insan.

I want to appeal to the Insanlik (Humanity) inside you Insan, so that your username really has a meaning, but you have to believe in this by rejecting what you have been taught is unavoidable. You do have a choice...



Ömer, I agree with u that if TCs were governed better by wise, intelligent and skillful politicians, there would be far better life conditions in TRNC. I'm too not satisfied and happy with the social order, economic conditions, our governors, media, teachers, education system and intellectuals but this is what TCs r capable and able to do. This is a fact. It has nothing to do with Turkey and Turkish troops stationed in Cyprus.

We need advance guards in every field of our lives but we don't have. Most of the TCs like u, prefered to emigrate and live an easy, better life in other countries instead staying in Cyprus and struggling to advance our community to a better place. Now u blame the TCs who remained in Cyprus or had to stay in Cyprus bcz they neither economically nor culturally could afford to emigrate somewhere else?
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Re: TRNC: Destroying the Soul of A Community

Postby Omer Seyhan » Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:01 am

insan wrote:
Omer Seyhan wrote:
insan wrote:
Omer Seyhan wrote:As a Turkish Cypriot but foremost a Cypriot I denounce the TRNC everyday and I want to share with the world why.

The TRNC is destroying the T/C community - it will not only assimilate us but will ruin our community psychologically because of the circumstances in which they live. Living under a foreign occupation and trying to survive makes people do terrible things and destroys the soul.

In the tiny Banana Republic of the TRNC the only way to make material profit is to join the looters club. Turkey's occupation has reduced my community (the Turkish Cypriots) to loyal sycophants, servants and agents. Some know very well what they are doing but others pretend they are unaware that they are being used for Turkey's benefit only. Despite the world calling Sunday's election a T/C election, those who participate in this game created by Ankara never have a chance to represent their own peoples interest.

UBP has traditionally been the party closest to the occupiers since its creation. They are so close that they refer to Turkey as the 'Motherland" and to themselves as the "Babyhomeland" even though they are belittling and patronizing themselves. They call it 'necessity' or 'mutual' benefits or ' aligned interests' but really they are just admitting to serving somebody else's interests other than their own people.

Turkey designed the TRNC in such a way where Ankara pays for everything and therefore controls everything. Meanwhile it tells the T/Cs that nobody cares about them except Turkey, the G/Cs hate them and want to kill them and therefore they ought to show their 'gratitude' more. Meanwhile Turkey ships in more people of its own to assimilate the T/Cs and dilute their votes and democratic rights....

To change the agenda so nobody would notice what is happening beneath their very noses, T/Cs are led to believe that the EU owes them promises and that they live under 'embargoes,' when in actual fact, this deception manipulates people's emotions causing anger and resentment in the community. The fact is the EU made no promises at all and has helped the T/C community as much as it can.
It gave the T/C aid, has offered a direct trade proposal which the T/C leadership turned down and has enabled Green Line Trade. The G/Cs that we are taught to hate who control the Roc Govt pay for T/Cs to have free healthcare even though G/Cs pay for it, they offer them subsidies for schooling and with RoC passports T/Cs can travel, study and work anywhere they want in the EU.

Still some T/C still believe the TRNC is right to exist that might is right and so is theft. They believe the TRNC will be recognised even though in 34 years, Turkey has done very little to promote the TRNC internationally. Turkey clearly prefers an uncommercialised backwater that is dependent on Ankara - its easier to control.

Control is the name of the game. Even CTP, a party democratically supported by T/Cs who marched on the streets in thousands in 2003 and 2004 to oppose Denktash later became another UBP, fighting in a battle of loyalty. In the end nothing separated either party.
In the TRNC left means right, right means left, political parties are so embroiled in sycophancy, corruption and dodgy dealings to survive that political ideology and conviction means nothing. Politicians like most become unprincipled and lack integrity. Like politics, democracy too has become nullified in the TRNC and so the majority of T/C do not believe in the democratic process anymore.

The vales T/Cs are being taught in this TRNC is that in order to get on in life you have to join the looters club, have to be Turkeys man and keep your mouth shut... If you want to eat and feed your family, you had to obey and forget thinking for yourself, and your conscience. I am told the media too are regularly visited by the military too to make sure articles keep to the line wanted by the Turkish 'embassy' and military command in Nicosia.

Elections like those on Sunday are controlled at every level by Turkey. All aspects of life are or can be easily controlled by Turkey. The will of the people, the will of the T/Cs means nothing. The effects of this on our community is greater than you can imagine, it reduces self-confidence, self-worth, belief in democracy and human rights, and turns us into insecure servants or servants of servants, trying to survive.


So, u call upon the earth forces; bosses of globalization to rescue TCs? Ömer, I wonder when u will realize that everything revolves around the interests of the bosses of globalization?

U have a narrow point of view that does not let u evaluate events factually. U simply put all the blame on Turkey and her TC supporters. Fair? What do u want Ömer? 3 Rs and a minority status for TCs? If this is what u want, make it clear, plz. I have respect to everyone's opinions.


I do not want T/Cs to be a protected minority in a Greek state - that goes against peace and all I stand for.

I want a reunified Cyprus for all Cypriots to enjoy with equality between communities, the rule of law, democracy, human rights for all and people having hope and aspirations for their lives. I reject the enslaving of a community under occupation.

The TRNC has given all T/Cs and the Cyprus question all Cypriots a very negative outlook on life, it destroys souls, but I want you to free yourself and to free others from the open prison that is the TRNC. I want you to believe in a Cyprus of freedom, human rights, rule of law and democracy Insan.

I want to appeal to the Insanlik (Humanity) inside you Insan, so that your username really has a meaning, but you have to believe in this by rejecting what you have been taught is unavoidable. You do have a choice...



Ömer, I agree with u that if TCs were governed better by wise, intelligent and skillful politicians, there would be far better life conditions in TRNC. I'm too not satisfied and happy with the social order, economic conditions, our governors, media, teachers, education system and intellectuals but this is what TCs r capable and able to do. This is a fact. It has nothing to do with Turkey and Turkish troops stationed in Cyprus.

We need advance guards in every field of our lives but we don't have. Most of the TCs like u, prefered to emigrate and live an easy, better life in other countries instead staying in Cyprus and struggling to advance our community to a better place. Now u blame the TCs who remained in Cyprus or had to stay in Cyprus bcz they neither economically nor culturally could afford to emigrate somewhere else?


Insan, you are missing the point. Do you believe that you can create a decent place to live for yourself and your children in an area that is under military occupation, where that occupier interferes in elections, governance, education, demographics, the arts, literature, journalism and business to freedom of expression....and many many other areas? Are you telling me none of this matters to you?

If you really want a T/C homeland because you are so consumed with hate and anger for G/Cs then the TRNC is still not your answer my friend. You have more chance emigrating to Canada finding a spot in Labrador if you want to create a T/C state or anything like it.
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Re: TRNC: Destroying the Soul of A Community

Postby insan » Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:20 am

Omer Seyhan wrote:
insan wrote:
Omer Seyhan wrote:
insan wrote:
Omer Seyhan wrote:As a Turkish Cypriot but foremost a Cypriot I denounce the TRNC everyday and I want to share with the world why.

The TRNC is destroying the T/C community - it will not only assimilate us but will ruin our community psychologically because of the circumstances in which they live. Living under a foreign occupation and trying to survive makes people do terrible things and destroys the soul.

In the tiny Banana Republic of the TRNC the only way to make material profit is to join the looters club. Turkey's occupation has reduced my community (the Turkish Cypriots) to loyal sycophants, servants and agents. Some know very well what they are doing but others pretend they are unaware that they are being used for Turkey's benefit only. Despite the world calling Sunday's election a T/C election, those who participate in this game created by Ankara never have a chance to represent their own peoples interest.

UBP has traditionally been the party closest to the occupiers since its creation. They are so close that they refer to Turkey as the 'Motherland" and to themselves as the "Babyhomeland" even though they are belittling and patronizing themselves. They call it 'necessity' or 'mutual' benefits or ' aligned interests' but really they are just admitting to serving somebody else's interests other than their own people.

Turkey designed the TRNC in such a way where Ankara pays for everything and therefore controls everything. Meanwhile it tells the T/Cs that nobody cares about them except Turkey, the G/Cs hate them and want to kill them and therefore they ought to show their 'gratitude' more. Meanwhile Turkey ships in more people of its own to assimilate the T/Cs and dilute their votes and democratic rights....

To change the agenda so nobody would notice what is happening beneath their very noses, T/Cs are led to believe that the EU owes them promises and that they live under 'embargoes,' when in actual fact, this deception manipulates people's emotions causing anger and resentment in the community. The fact is the EU made no promises at all and has helped the T/C community as much as it can.
It gave the T/C aid, has offered a direct trade proposal which the T/C leadership turned down and has enabled Green Line Trade. The G/Cs that we are taught to hate who control the Roc Govt pay for T/Cs to have free healthcare even though G/Cs pay for it, they offer them subsidies for schooling and with RoC passports T/Cs can travel, study and work anywhere they want in the EU.

Still some T/C still believe the TRNC is right to exist that might is right and so is theft. They believe the TRNC will be recognised even though in 34 years, Turkey has done very little to promote the TRNC internationally. Turkey clearly prefers an uncommercialised backwater that is dependent on Ankara - its easier to control.

Control is the name of the game. Even CTP, a party democratically supported by T/Cs who marched on the streets in thousands in 2003 and 2004 to oppose Denktash later became another UBP, fighting in a battle of loyalty. In the end nothing separated either party.
In the TRNC left means right, right means left, political parties are so embroiled in sycophancy, corruption and dodgy dealings to survive that political ideology and conviction means nothing. Politicians like most become unprincipled and lack integrity. Like politics, democracy too has become nullified in the TRNC and so the majority of T/C do not believe in the democratic process anymore.

The vales T/Cs are being taught in this TRNC is that in order to get on in life you have to join the looters club, have to be Turkeys man and keep your mouth shut... If you want to eat and feed your family, you had to obey and forget thinking for yourself, and your conscience. I am told the media too are regularly visited by the military too to make sure articles keep to the line wanted by the Turkish 'embassy' and military command in Nicosia.

Elections like those on Sunday are controlled at every level by Turkey. All aspects of life are or can be easily controlled by Turkey. The will of the people, the will of the T/Cs means nothing. The effects of this on our community is greater than you can imagine, it reduces self-confidence, self-worth, belief in democracy and human rights, and turns us into insecure servants or servants of servants, trying to survive.


So, u call upon the earth forces; bosses of globalization to rescue TCs? Ömer, I wonder when u will realize that everything revolves around the interests of the bosses of globalization?

U have a narrow point of view that does not let u evaluate events factually. U simply put all the blame on Turkey and her TC supporters. Fair? What do u want Ömer? 3 Rs and a minority status for TCs? If this is what u want, make it clear, plz. I have respect to everyone's opinions.


I do not want T/Cs to be a protected minority in a Greek state - that goes against peace and all I stand for.

I want a reunified Cyprus for all Cypriots to enjoy with equality between communities, the rule of law, democracy, human rights for all and people having hope and aspirations for their lives. I reject the enslaving of a community under occupation.

The TRNC has given all T/Cs and the Cyprus question all Cypriots a very negative outlook on life, it destroys souls, but I want you to free yourself and to free others from the open prison that is the TRNC. I want you to believe in a Cyprus of freedom, human rights, rule of law and democracy Insan.

I want to appeal to the Insanlik (Humanity) inside you Insan, so that your username really has a meaning, but you have to believe in this by rejecting what you have been taught is unavoidable. You do have a choice...



Ömer, I agree with u that if TCs were governed better by wise, intelligent and skillful politicians, there would be far better life conditions in TRNC. I'm too not satisfied and happy with the social order, economic conditions, our governors, media, teachers, education system and intellectuals but this is what TCs r capable and able to do. This is a fact. It has nothing to do with Turkey and Turkish troops stationed in Cyprus.

We need advance guards in every field of our lives but we don't have. Most of the TCs like u, prefered to emigrate and live an easy, better life in other countries instead staying in Cyprus and struggling to advance our community to a better place. Now u blame the TCs who remained in Cyprus or had to stay in Cyprus bcz they neither economically nor culturally could afford to emigrate somewhere else?


Insan, you are missing the point. Do you believe that you can create a decent place to live for yourself and your children in an area that is under military occupation, where that occupier interferes in elections, governance, education, demographics, the arts, literature, journalism and business to freedom of expression....and many many other areas? Are you telling me none of this matters to you?

If you really want a T/C homeland because you are so consumed with hate and anger for G/Cs then the TRNC is still not your answer my friend. You have more chance emigrating to Canada finding a spot in Labrador if you want to create a T/C state or anything like it.


Ömer; we have a child, immature democracy that the ongoing Cyprus problem and as a consequence of economic embargoes badly affects it's development.

I neither approve the secret, illegal, unethical activities of some political interest groups, nor I approve the over generalizations and exaggerations of TC far left(socialists).

I can't consider TRNC under military occupation just because some army officers or political groups act illegally.

I personally never have had a dream creating a TRNC in somewhere else. My dream for Cyprus is the solution of the Cyprus problem in a most feasible way that would lead just some little sufferings to it's people and my personal dream is becoming a big farmer; depends on huge water resources.
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Re: TRNC: Destroying the Soul of A Community

Postby Omer Seyhan » Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:34 am

insan wrote:
Omer Seyhan wrote:
insan wrote:
Omer Seyhan wrote:
insan wrote:
Omer Seyhan wrote:As a Turkish Cypriot but foremost a Cypriot I denounce the TRNC everyday and I want to share with the world why.

The TRNC is destroying the T/C community - it will not only assimilate us but will ruin our community psychologically because of the circumstances in which they live. Living under a foreign occupation and trying to survive makes people do terrible things and destroys the soul.

In the tiny Banana Republic of the TRNC the only way to make material profit is to join the looters club. Turkey's occupation has reduced my community (the Turkish Cypriots) to loyal sycophants, servants and agents. Some know very well what they are doing but others pretend they are unaware that they are being used for Turkey's benefit only. Despite the world calling Sunday's election a T/C election, those who participate in this game created by Ankara never have a chance to represent their own peoples interest.

UBP has traditionally been the party closest to the occupiers since its creation. They are so close that they refer to Turkey as the 'Motherland" and to themselves as the "Babyhomeland" even though they are belittling and patronizing themselves. They call it 'necessity' or 'mutual' benefits or ' aligned interests' but really they are just admitting to serving somebody else's interests other than their own people.

Turkey designed the TRNC in such a way where Ankara pays for everything and therefore controls everything. Meanwhile it tells the T/Cs that nobody cares about them except Turkey, the G/Cs hate them and want to kill them and therefore they ought to show their 'gratitude' more. Meanwhile Turkey ships in more people of its own to assimilate the T/Cs and dilute their votes and democratic rights....

To change the agenda so nobody would notice what is happening beneath their very noses, T/Cs are led to believe that the EU owes them promises and that they live under 'embargoes,' when in actual fact, this deception manipulates people's emotions causing anger and resentment in the community. The fact is the EU made no promises at all and has helped the T/C community as much as it can.
It gave the T/C aid, has offered a direct trade proposal which the T/C leadership turned down and has enabled Green Line Trade. The G/Cs that we are taught to hate who control the Roc Govt pay for T/Cs to have free healthcare even though G/Cs pay for it, they offer them subsidies for schooling and with RoC passports T/Cs can travel, study and work anywhere they want in the EU.

Still some T/C still believe the TRNC is right to exist that might is right and so is theft. They believe the TRNC will be recognised even though in 34 years, Turkey has done very little to promote the TRNC internationally. Turkey clearly prefers an uncommercialised backwater that is dependent on Ankara - its easier to control.

Control is the name of the game. Even CTP, a party democratically supported by T/Cs who marched on the streets in thousands in 2003 and 2004 to oppose Denktash later became another UBP, fighting in a battle of loyalty. In the end nothing separated either party.
In the TRNC left means right, right means left, political parties are so embroiled in sycophancy, corruption and dodgy dealings to survive that political ideology and conviction means nothing. Politicians like most become unprincipled and lack integrity. Like politics, democracy too has become nullified in the TRNC and so the majority of T/C do not believe in the democratic process anymore.

The vales T/Cs are being taught in this TRNC is that in order to get on in life you have to join the looters club, have to be Turkeys man and keep your mouth shut... If you want to eat and feed your family, you had to obey and forget thinking for yourself, and your conscience. I am told the media too are regularly visited by the military too to make sure articles keep to the line wanted by the Turkish 'embassy' and military command in Nicosia.

Elections like those on Sunday are controlled at every level by Turkey. All aspects of life are or can be easily controlled by Turkey. The will of the people, the will of the T/Cs means nothing. The effects of this on our community is greater than you can imagine, it reduces self-confidence, self-worth, belief in democracy and human rights, and turns us into insecure servants or servants of servants, trying to survive.


So, u call upon the earth forces; bosses of globalization to rescue TCs? Ömer, I wonder when u will realize that everything revolves around the interests of the bosses of globalization?

U have a narrow point of view that does not let u evaluate events factually. U simply put all the blame on Turkey and her TC supporters. Fair? What do u want Ömer? 3 Rs and a minority status for TCs? If this is what u want, make it clear, plz. I have respect to everyone's opinions.


I do not want T/Cs to be a protected minority in a Greek state - that goes against peace and all I stand for.

I want a reunified Cyprus for all Cypriots to enjoy with equality between communities, the rule of law, democracy, human rights for all and people having hope and aspirations for their lives. I reject the enslaving of a community under occupation.

The TRNC has given all T/Cs and the Cyprus question all Cypriots a very negative outlook on life, it destroys souls, but I want you to free yourself and to free others from the open prison that is the TRNC. I want you to believe in a Cyprus of freedom, human rights, rule of law and democracy Insan.

I want to appeal to the Insanlik (Humanity) inside you Insan, so that your username really has a meaning, but you have to believe in this by rejecting what you have been taught is unavoidable. You do have a choice...



Ömer, I agree with u that if TCs were governed better by wise, intelligent and skillful politicians, there would be far better life conditions in TRNC. I'm too not satisfied and happy with the social order, economic conditions, our governors, media, teachers, education system and intellectuals but this is what TCs r capable and able to do. This is a fact. It has nothing to do with Turkey and Turkish troops stationed in Cyprus.

We need advance guards in every field of our lives but we don't have. Most of the TCs like u, prefered to emigrate and live an easy, better life in other countries instead staying in Cyprus and struggling to advance our community to a better place. Now u blame the TCs who remained in Cyprus or had to stay in Cyprus bcz they neither economically nor culturally could afford to emigrate somewhere else?


Insan, you are missing the point. Do you believe that you can create a decent place to live for yourself and your children in an area that is under military occupation, where that occupier interferes in elections, governance, education, demographics, the arts, literature, journalism and business to freedom of expression....and many many other areas? Are you telling me none of this matters to you?

If you really want a T/C homeland because you are so consumed with hate and anger for G/Cs then the TRNC is still not your answer my friend. You have more chance emigrating to Canada finding a spot in Labrador if you want to create a T/C state or anything like it.


Ömer; we have a child, immature democracy that the ongoing Cyprus problem and as a consequence of economic embargoes badly affects it's development.

I neither approve the secret, illegal, unethical activities of some political interest groups, nor I approve the over generalizations and exaggerations of TC far left(socialists).

I can't consider TRNC under military occupation just because some army officers or political groups act illegally.

I personally never have had a dream creating a TRNC in somewhere else. My dream for Cyprus is the solution of the Cyprus problem in a most feasible way that would lead just some little sufferings to it's people and my personal dream is becoming a big farmer; depends on huge water resources.


I'm not a socialist...

Some military officers? - there are 40,000!

Some illegal activities? - they are depriving your community of a right to elect its own representatives? They shipped in settlers to dilute you and make you insignificant...

Gardash, you don't have a clue what's going on in the occupied areas... Or you choose not to talk about it...
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