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[turkkan]

put a garrison if you wish of turkish soldiers,in agreed partition lets say 80/20 you will have 250,000 new t/c citizens 40,000 troops god knows how many illegals on about 1,850 sq km of land.

I assume subconsciously your trying making these arguments about an issue that will not affect you so that you can convince us that having a partition will be very bad for us as turkey will dominate us. Either the partition agreement will ensure that the island is fully demilitarilised, something i dont think you will ever accept-if not for national security reasons simply because you have officers to take care off, or its not. The turkish troop presence in an accepted agreement will be far less than exists now. What turkey will have however is an airbase.

[boulio]

Again air,naval,space what ever the t/c whish to give them,however the devil is in the details,what would a agreed partition in your eyes look like?

[Get Real!]

Do you understand this fundamental point Turkkan?

Lol, do you sit and make this stuff up get real? Armenia is an independent country (also occupying another country but lets put that aside) yet has a whole russian garrison defending its border with turkey via a mutually accepted agreement. It does not even share a border with russia. Why would the UN have any problem with their being a turkish army presence on the island in the case of a turkish cypriot state being formed, if the turkish cypriots want that army stay? Lets assume there will be partition, do you seriously think we are going to trust you lot with any agreement? Obviously there will be an army, probably greatly reduced but it will be there in case you decide to embark on any future adventures.

I overestimated your intelligence earlier…

There are international rules that lay out what constitutes a “state” and what makes the UN recognize it. For a people so desperate to have an independent state, you are surprisingly the least informed on the matter! Is it any wonder why you’re not getting anywhere?

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Here’s a… “Definition of an independent state.”

”A specialized type of political organization characterized by a full-time, specialized, professional work force of tax-collectors, soldiers, policemen, bureaucrats and the like that exercises supreme political authority over a defined territory with a permanent population, independent from any enduring external political control and possessing a local predominance of coercive power (always supplemented with moral and remunerative incentives as well) great enough to maintain general obedience to its laws or commands within its territorial borders.”

There are clearly defined international prerequisites to attaining independence and UN membership. Why don’t you research the matter?

[turkkan]

Somewhere between 20-25% of the island, i know you will argue we are only 18% but its not viable to make a state on that amount of land. The only possibly argument for full demilitarisation from the TC perspective would be to ensure we enter the EU at a future stage, which we will given our small size and general european attitude to everyday life anyhow. The turkish cypriot state or canton (depending on how it goes) will ALWAYS be close to turkey given that we watch their tv,read their papers, following their celeb storeis, lsiten to their music given that their the only other country that speak our language. Aside from that as most greek cypriots go to study and greece, we also go and study in turkey, most of our holidays are in turkey etc etc. You cant really separate us from them in terms of the make up of our everyday lives.

[turkkan]

There are clearly defined international prerequisites to attaining independence and UN membership. Why don’t you research the matter?

i think you overestimate your own intelligence. Do you know how many states exist that dont fit that definition. Lets go back to my example of armenia. Armenia at this stage in time is russias bitch, russia does whatever it wants, can define her policy and exert its infuelnce in the caucasses via armenia. Given turkeys blockade of her border the armenians really dont have much choice in this. How does that fit in with what the UNs definition of what an independent state should be.

[Get Real!]

There are clearly defined international prerequisites to attaining independence and UN membership. Why don’t you research the matter?

i think you overestimate your own intelligence. Do you know how many states exist that dont fit that definition. Lets go back to my example of armenia. Armenia at this stage in time is russias bitch, russia does whatever it wants, can define her policy and exert its infuelnce in the caucasses via armenia. Given turkeys blockade of her border the armenians really dont have much choice in this. How does that fit in with what the UNs definition of what an independent state should be.

Armenia is ALREADY a recognized independent state so she can do whatever she wants now, but for a new entity to be born it must convince and impress the UN and regional neighbors.

[turkkan]

Armenia is ALREADY a recognized independent state so she can do whatever she wants now, but for a new entity to be born it must convince and impress the UN and regional neighbors.

If you want us to put on an act of asking the turkish troops to leave and then invite them back a few months later we would be more than ok with that.

[boulio]

My formula would be t/c private land 1974 plus 18% of govt land(1974)

[turkkan]

boulio, any such official discussion concerning partition is at least ten years away. Theres no point discussing it now.

[Get Real!]

Armenia is ALREADY a recognized independent state so she can do whatever she wants now, but for a new entity to be born it must convince and impress the UN and regional neighbors.

If you want us to put on an act of asking the turkish troops to leave and then invite them back a few months later we would be more than ok with that.

In a nutshell this is what you need to do…

1. Convince the RoC of a territorial size and location that is acceptable to them.

2. Convince Turkey to evacuate all military and political influences so that this new creation may take place.

3. Apply to the UN with the approval and support of Turkey and Cyprus.

4. OPTIONAL: Gift your now independent territory to Turkey because they're cute.

WHICH DEFEATS THE VERY PURPOSE OF HAVING AN INDEPENDENT STATE IN THE FIRST PLACE!