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[YFred]

Found this just for you Fred- dont know if you've seen it before

TCs doing chatista in Greek

Thank you for that Richard. I knew Muzaferi, he used to sing for us when we were kids. He was also a poet, he used to write greek poems with the turkish alphabet.

[Oracle]

Found this just for you Fred- dont know if you've seen it before

TCs doing chatista in Greek

Enough to put you off for life!

Turkish thieves ....

[YFred]

Found this just for you Fred- dont know if you've seen it before

TCs doing chatista in Greek

Enough to put you off for life!

Turkish thieves ....

O dear, I am still alive and I heard him live!

[Viewpoint]

The Turkish Cypriots are aiming at the creation of a Confederation of two sovereign states, which is common knowledge that this is highly unlikely that an Greek Cypriot will accept as a solution. While, the Greek Cypriots are naturally seeking an evolution of their current Republic of Cypriot.

For the Greek Cypriots, they have witnessed the unhappy experience of seeing Northern Cyprus slip away year-after-year. Turkey, under mounting pressure from the EU to open its ports has resulted in stalemate, although nothing would really be achieved besides its confirmation of Partition if Turkey should open its ports under the scenarios of the TRNC and "Greek Cyprus". This would no doubt be a disaster for the Greek Cypriot in a political sense as, although it would open an advantageous lucrative economic opportunity for them, they would have to accept a downgrade to being known as the "Republic of Cyprus" to "Greek Cyprus".

Here's my point, let's say the talks eventually produce a Settlement Plan and BOTH Greek and Turkish Cypriot sides Reject it before end of President Talat's Presidential (of the TRNC) term in April 2010 - which is what is now being seriously considered with the higher EU circles, what would happen then? Would it be the end?

Many Greek Cypriots believe that Turkey will eventually turn on it's support of the TRNC when its EU application reaches its pinnacle stage of full membership. They believe that the current talks are a waste of time and that the EU will never force the removal of the isolation on Northern Cyprus (as they did after the many failed verbal promises of removing the isolation of Northern Cyprus prior to the 2004 Annan Plan referendum). And, why should the Turkish Cypriots believe that the EU actually will act against the wishes of the Greek Cypriots again this time?

So, my ultimate question is this, what really has the Greek Cypriots got to lose if they reject ANY Plan that falls short of what they want when the EU clearly dropped their verbal promises prior to the former Annan Plan. What REAL Choice does President Talat have? Is he wasting his time? Will the EU act differently this time? It's all very sinacle, I know, but even the U.S has reiterated its "Cyprus Policy"!

Is Dervis Eroglu right to dismissing ALL Pointless Unification talks based on a Federation and demand recognition only? Do we, the Turkish Cypriots, really have any other choice but to either accept the Greek Cypriot formula of evolution, or stand behind PM Eroglu?

Everyday that goes by, particularly after so many failures and upsets, it's becoming obvious that a Federal formula based on two founding Constituent states is looking like an impossible task. I believe President Talat is now cornered, by both the Turkish Cypriots and the international strength of the Greek Cypriot position and Turkey's failure in truly supporting its former Confederal, federal or Recognition (of the TRNC) policies.

It's time for the Turkish Cypriots, and the Greek Cypriots, to make up their minds as the Cyprus situation will either push its people into a similar scenario unfortunately seen in the former Yugoslavia (conflict due to frustrated Turkish and Greek Cypriots due to their respective reasons land ownership, right to return, recognition, etc, etc) or Turkey annexing Northern Cyprus and ending its EU dream. The problem with the later is that we all know how much the U.S and U.K want Turkey to be an EU member state! Then, does that mean that in the end the U.S will break ranks and recognise the TRNC like it did with Kosovo?

The Greek Cypriots may be willing to wait until the end, but exactly where, at which real point is the end?

great post MrH food for thought but you wont get a straight answer from any GCs, snide stupid comments but nothing concrete. Lets hope the shit hits the fan soon and then we will see the results.

[Get Real!]

The Greek Cypriots may be willing to wait until the end, but exactly where, at which real point is the end?

Just after eternity...

[YFred]

The Turkish Cypriots are aiming at the creation of a Confederation of two sovereign states, which is common knowledge that this is highly unlikely that an Greek Cypriot will accept as a solution. While, the Greek Cypriots are naturally seeking an evolution of their current Republic of Cypriot.

For the Greek Cypriots, they have witnessed the unhappy experience of seeing Northern Cyprus slip away year-after-year. Turkey, under mounting pressure from the EU to open its ports has resulted in stalemate, although nothing would really be achieved besides its confirmation of Partition if Turkey should open its ports under the scenarios of the TRNC and "Greek Cyprus". This would no doubt be a disaster for the Greek Cypriot in a political sense as, although it would open an advantageous lucrative economic opportunity for them, they would have to accept a downgrade to being known as the "Republic of Cyprus" to "Greek Cyprus".

Here's my point, let's say the talks eventually produce a Settlement Plan and BOTH Greek and Turkish Cypriot sides Reject it before end of President Talat's Presidential (of the TRNC) term in April 2010 - which is what is now being seriously considered with the higher EU circles, what would happen then? Would it be the end?

Many Greek Cypriots believe that Turkey will eventually turn on it's support of the TRNC when its EU application reaches its pinnacle stage of full membership. They believe that the current talks are a waste of time and that the EU will never force the removal of the isolation on Northern Cyprus (as they did after the many failed verbal promises of removing the isolation of Northern Cyprus prior to the 2004 Annan Plan referendum). And, why should the Turkish Cypriots believe that the EU actually will act against the wishes of the Greek Cypriots again this time?

So, my ultimate question is this, what really has the Greek Cypriots got to lose if they reject ANY Plan that falls short of what they want when the EU clearly dropped their verbal promises prior to the former Annan Plan. What REAL Choice does President Talat have? Is he wasting his time? Will the EU act differently this time? It's all very sinacle, I know, but even the U.S has reiterated its "Cyprus Policy"!

Is Dervis Eroglu right to dismissing ALL Pointless Unification talks based on a Federation and demand recognition only? Do we, the Turkish Cypriots, really have any other choice but to either accept the Greek Cypriot formula of evolution, or stand behind PM Eroglu?

Everyday that goes by, particularly after so many failures and upsets, it's becoming obvious that a Federal formula based on two founding Constituent states is looking like an impossible task. I believe President Talat is now cornered, by both the Turkish Cypriots and the international strength of the Greek Cypriot position and Turkey's failure in truly supporting its former Confederal, federal or Recognition (of the TRNC) policies.

It's time for the Turkish Cypriots, and the Greek Cypriots, to make up their minds as the Cyprus situation will either push its people into a similar scenario unfortunately seen in the former Yugoslavia (conflict due to frustrated Turkish and Greek Cypriots due to their respective reasons land ownership, right to return, recognition, etc, etc) or Turkey annexing Northern Cyprus and ending its EU dream. The problem with the later is that we all know how much the U.S and U.K want Turkey to be an EU member state! Then, does that mean that in the end the U.S will break ranks and recognise the TRNC like it did with Kosovo?

The Greek Cypriots may be willing to wait until the end, but exactly where, at which real point is the end?

great post MrH food for thought but you wont get a straight answer from any GCs, snide stupid comments but nothing concrete. Lets hope the shit hits the fan soon and then we will see the results.

Oh it will VP, I think that Mr X now realises the value of Talat. He knows he has till the end of the year to come to an agreement with him, and he also knows that as nice as Eroglu looks, he is what we call in Cyprus "Eski Kurt - Old Wolf", and also has the manerisms to go with it. The way Eroglu refred to Turkey as Anavata, was very revealing about his intentions.

[MrH]

TIME IS RUNNING OUT

If not already!


The Isolation WILL NOT be removed - we know that now.
The EU have not moved an INCH since their failed Promises since 2004
Talat of Northern Cyprus is still seeking a bogus two founding state resolution in the form of a Federation - Obviously now NOT going to Happen.
Do you believe that the U.S will let the EU mock Turkey forever?
Why did the EU, U.S and etc suddenly defy Greek threats and Recognise Kosovo?
Will Turkey give up Northern Cyprus - Never!
Will Turkey let go of it's EU ambition for Northern Cyprus - Obviously, it already has!

BUT, the real question is, WILL the U.S allow it? Obviously NO.

So, the end result is two Republic Recognised states in Cyprus.

You may not believe that this could happen, but just look at the evidence so far (which I will not list the 200+ reasons - starting from HSBC, The Colony Hotel Group, the SAVOY Group, etc, etc).

The Turkish Cypriots know that unification, evolution and removal of the isolation is all a WASTE OF TIME, as it would have happened by now. Mehmet Ali Talat's policies, and his expectations from the EU have all fallen through since 2004; The EU have let him down, and even the Greek Cypriots (his best friends) have made him look like an idiot in front of his own people - Thank you, we did try to tell that his liberal efforts would be a waste of time.

Therefore, it's either join the GC majority GC-Controlled ROC as an "11% Minority" or forget about the entire idea of unification and stay as we are until the time is ready; until the U.S sends out a warning to the Greek Cypriots and the EU that TURKEY MUST JOIN THE EU. At that point, the TRNC will become a recognised state by the U.S (and probably the EU like what happened to Kosovo), and the Greek Cypriot hardliners will WIN and LOSE. They will win the ROC as their OWN, but lose Northern Cyprus!

In answer to a previous post where some GCs have said that we will become a minority in the TRNC in the future, here's your answer:

Northern Cyprus is populated with "Turks of Cyprus", any Turk born in Northern Cyprus is known as a Turkish Cypriot, therefore as long as the Turks from Turkey continue coming and having children in Northern Cyprus, the "TURKISH CYPRIOT" population on the ISLAND will increase! Get it. We consider ALL Turks on the island as Turkish Cypriots - one psycology the Greek Cypriots will never understand. Thus, the population in the North is 300 thousand plus Turkish Cypriots! and growing, FAST! That is the reality, and not the GC bogus 11% figures that they've been screaming about since 1983. AND you expect us to accept minority status at that percentage, instead of remaining as we are. The TCs would rather live in complete isolation for another 1000 years than to classed as a MINORITY under a Greek Cypriot FACIST organisation. the ROC is as corrupt as the (Russian) Mafia - or are they the same!!!


Don't believe me GR, DT, then watch this space over the next few months!!!!

UBP is now in POWER forever, it will be entertaining to watch Mehmet Ali Talat run around like a headless chicken.

[turkkan]

Just after eternity...

Really? I know thats the kind of mentality you would love to persist but ten years ago talking about partition was pretty much a taboo now a lot of people mention their preference for it provided they get some land back. I have met plenty of greek cypriots who dont want to have anything to do with TC's. Thats in 34 years. After another twenty very few people will be talking about co-existence and anyone who can remember an era of co-existence would be dead by then. Eitherway, even if you wish to wait it for a few decades, its not as if us and turkey are going anywhere. We can wait with you. I cant find it now, but yesterayds politis had an interview with clerides also mentioning the new found attitude among some of 'us here and them there'.

That the TRNC will be recognised without the ROCs consent is obviously nonsense, the above talk about the US recognising it or the EU is rubbish. But what can happen is states like pakistan or other allies of turkey recognising it. Without any serious consequence to them more of these minor states will recognise the TRNC but none of the major world players. All that will serve to do is strengthen our hand in any future negotiation. Poll after poll states that TC's today would reject the annan plan, we are clearly not in any state to negotiate with you from a weak position. We will wait till we get what we want. The only exception to all this is if turkey has a REALISTIC chance of entering the EU and is very near achieving it. In that scenario I can see turkey forcing us to make big concessions, but given that at this moment in time that is a fairy tale Im not to worried. As long as sarkozy is in power, i feel safe.

[wallace]

TIME IS RUNNING OUT

If not already!


The Isolation WILL NOT be removed - we know that now.
The EU have not moved an INCH since their failed Promises since 2004
Northern Cyprus is still seeking a bogus two founding state resolution in the form of a Federation - Obviously now NOT going to Happen.
Do you believe that the U.S will let the EU mock Turkey forever?
Why did the EU, U.S and etc suddenly defy Greek threats and Recognise Kosovo?
Will Turkey give up Northern Cyprus - Never!
Will Turkey let go of it's EU ambition for Northern Cyprus - Obviously, it already has!

BUT, the real question is, WILL the U.S allow it? Obviously NO.

So, the end result is two Republic Recognised states in Cyprus.

You may not believe that this could happen, but just look at the evidence so far (which I will not list the 200+ reasons - starting from HSBC, The Colony Hotel Group, the SAVOY Group, etc, etc).

The Turkish Cypriots know that unification, evolution and removal of the is all a WASTE OF TIME, as it would have happened by now. Mehmet Ali Talat's policies, and his expectations from the EU have all fallen through since 2004; The EU have let him down, and even the Greek Cypriots (his best friends) have made him look like an idiot in front of his own people - Thank you, we did try to tell that his liberal efforts would be a waste of time.

Therefore, it's either join the GC majority GC-Controlled ROC as an "11% Minority" or forget about the entire idea of unification and stay as we are until the time is ready; until the U.S sends out a warning to the Greek Cypriots and the EU that TURKEY MUST JOIN THE EU. At that point, the TRNC will become a recognised state by the U.S (and probably the EU like what happened to Kosovo), and the Greek Cypriot hardliners will WIN and LOSE. They will win the ROC as their OWN, but lose Northern Cyprus!

In answer to a previous post where some GCs have said that we will become a minority in the TRNC in the future, here's your answer:

Northern Cyprus is populated with "Turks of Cyprus", any Turk born in Northern Cyprus is known as a Turkish Cypriot, therefore as long as the Turks from Turkey continue coming and having children in Northern Cyprus, the "TURKISH CYPRIOT" population on the ISLAND will increase! Get it. We consider ALL Turks on the island as Turkish Cypriots - one psycology the Greek Cypriots will never understand. Thus, the population in the North is 300 thousand plus Turkish Cypriots! and growing, FAST! That is the reality, and not the GC bogus 11% figures that they've been screaming about since 1983. AND you expect us to accept minority status at that percentage, instead of remaining as we are. The TCs would rather live in complete isolation for another 1000 years than to classed as a MINORITY under a Greek Cypriot FACIST organisation. the ROC is as corrupt as the (Russian) Mafia - or are they the same!!!


Don't believe me GR, DT, then watch this space over the next few months!!!!

UBP is now in POWER forever, it will be entertaining to watch Mehmet Ali Talat run around like a headless chicken.

Keep on dreaming plonker

[MrH]

Wallace,

Do you really believe we will merge under a GC dominated government? Come one man, wake up!!!

Has unification happened by default after so many years - obviously not, so, where is your reasoning for this crazy unification; evolution of the ROC idea?

It's the GCs that need waking up, and Dervis Eroglu will make certain of it.

Turkkan, I would say at the moment that you'll eat those words of the U.S Not recognising the TRNC, but I would definitely say DO NOT Dismiss it! There are more goings on behind the scenes than you obviously know Turkkan aba. I respect your position, and know that we will all rejoice soon.