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The Compromises made by Talat?

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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:19 pm

insan wrote:
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Sotos wrote:If negotiations are a waste of time then maybe we should send somebody else as a negotiator? We can have a Greek Cypriot Community Leader that is elected only by Greek Cypriots to be our negotiator and leave the President of Cyprus who is elected by all law obeying Cypriot citizens to do the things that matter.


I agree that none of the TC leaders are worth our President spending too much time with ... he should concentrate on negotiating with those who really 'call the shots' in the occupied north ... unfortunately, the Turks.


If Talat is a representative of Turkey's interests as u claimed, then what's the difference of Talat and the Turkish official u would like to negotiate the Cyprus problem? Ain't it a bit ridiculous again?


What the GCs have not cottoned onto is that Turkey will not negotiate direct with a country they do not recognize in their current form.
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Postby paliometoxo » Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:53 pm

they need talat there to make it look like he is the one calling the shots and not turkey
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:55 pm

paliometoxo wrote:they need talat there to make it look like he is the one calling the shots and not turkey


GCs cannot negotiate with Turkey even if they wanted.
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Re: The Compromises made by Talat?

Postby Kifeas » Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:47 pm

Sotos wrote:Can somebody list the compromises that Talat made that could allow for a solution that can be accepted by the majority of Greek Cypriots unlike the Annan plan which was rejected by the 76%? I tried to find them but I couldn't. Are the negotiations with Ankara's Muppets a waste of time? :?


So far he accepts to return the scrappiest 20% of the territory and the scrappiest 33% of the properties his side illegally usurped from the GCs; provided we (a.) gift to his community all the rest, which in value amount to 2-3 times more than what it legitimately owns, (b.) share the federal government on a 50:50 basis, (c.) accept all the settlers to obtain Cypriot citizenship, (d.) Turkey to maintain unilateral invasion rights against Cyprus so that they guarantee the spoils of the negotiations in favor of his community, and allow her (Turkey) to control our territorial waters, airspace and continental shelf.
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Re: The Compromises made by Talat?

Postby Sotos » Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:00 pm

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Sotos wrote:Can somebody list the compromises that Talat made that could allow for a solution that can be accepted by the majority of Greek Cypriots unlike the Annan plan which was rejected by the 76%? I tried to find them but I couldn't. Are the negotiations with Ankara's Muppets a waste of time? :?


So far he accepts to return the scrappiest 20% of the territory and the scrappiest 33% of the properties his side illegally usurped from the GCs; provided we (a.) gift to his community all the rest, which in value amount to 2-3 times more than what it legitimately owns, (b.) share the federal government on a 50:50 basis, (c.) accept all the settlers to obtain Cypriot citizenship, (d.) Turkey to maintain unilateral invasion rights against Cyprus so that they guarantee the spoils of the negotiations in favor of his community, and allow her (Turkey) to control our territorial waters, airspace and continental shelf.


This doesn't sound any better than Annan plan! So the "moderate" Talat made no compromises to find a solution that is acceptable to most Cypriots! So what is the fuse about him losing the pseudo elections? As far as we are concerned he is the same shit like everybody else representing the Turkish interests on our island!
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Postby paliometoxo » Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:18 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
paliometoxo wrote:they need talat there to make it look like he is the one calling the shots and not turkey


GCs cannot negotiate with Turkey even if they wanted.


well technically its what they ARE doing! i mean them telling talat what to do is no different from gcs talking directly to turkey... what because a talat man who claims to be a presaident of an illigal state is sitting on the table it means gcs are not talking to turkey? they may aswell be
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:22 am

paliometoxo wrote:
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paliometoxo wrote:they need talat there to make it look like he is the one calling the shots and not turkey


GCs cannot negotiate with Turkey even if they wanted.


well technically its what they ARE doing! i mean them telling talat what to do is no different from gcs talking directly to turkey... what because a talat man who claims to be a presaident of an illigal state is sitting on the table it means gcs are not talking to turkey? they may aswell be


They cant, whats so difficult to understand Turkey does not recognize you or your officials.
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Postby humanist » Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:59 am

Well if Kifeas post is correct I guess will be voting NO again ........ till the minority groups accept to live in a democratic nation one person = one vote ;)
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Postby paliometoxo » Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:33 am

Viewpoint wrote:
paliometoxo wrote:
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paliometoxo wrote:they need talat there to make it look like he is the one calling the shots and not turkey


GCs cannot negotiate with Turkey even if they wanted.


well technically its what they ARE doing! i mean them telling talat what to do is no different from gcs talking directly to turkey... what because a talat man who claims to be a presaident of an illigal state is sitting on the table it means gcs are not talking to turkey? they may aswell be


They cant, whats so difficult to understand Turkey does not recognize you or your officials.


whats that got to do with anything? i mean turkey still tells talat what to do and hwo to reply to gcs so its the same thing they are indirectly talking with gcs for the sake of showing they dont recognise cyprus and that talat has any say in anything
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Postby Raymanoff » Wed Apr 22, 2009 1:36 am

Ingredients

* 1 turkey, approx. 15 lbs.*
* Juice of a lemon
* Salt and pepper
* Olive oil or melted butter
* 1/2 yellow onion, peeled and quartered
* Tops and bottoms of a bunch of celery
* 2 carrots
* Parsley
* Sprigs of fresh rosemary, thyme

* Need help figuring out how big a turkey to get? Butterball has a turkey calculator that helps you figure out just how many pounds you need. In general, plan for:

12-15 lb turkey for 10-12 people
15-18 lb turkey for 14-16 people
18-22 lb turkey for 20-22 people
Method

1 To start, if the turkey has been refrigerated, bring it to room temperature before cooking. Keep it in its plastic wrapping until you are ready to cook it. While in the refrigerator, and or while you are bringing it to room temp, have the bird resting in a pan, so that if the plastic covering leaks for any reason, you are confining the juices to the pan. If you get a frozen turkey, you will need to defrost it in the refrigerator for several days first. Allow approximately 5 hours of defrosting for every pound. So, if you have a 15 pound turkey, it will take about 75 hours to defrost it in the refrigerator, or around 3 days.

Handle a raw turkey with the same amount of caution as when you handle raw chicken - use a separate cutting board and utensils to avoid contaminating other foods. Wash you hands with soap before touching anything else in the kitchen. Use paper towels to clean up.

Remove the neck and giblets (heart, gizzard, liver). Use the heart and gizzard for making stock for the stuffing. The neck can be cooked along side the turkey or saved for turkey soup.

Note that if your turkey comes with a plastic piece holding the legs together, check the instructions on the turkey's package. Most likely you do not need to remove those plastic ties for cooking (unless you plan to cook your turkey at a very high temperature). If you remove the plastic ties, you will need to use kitchen string to tie the legs together.

2 Preheat the oven to 400 degrees F.

3 Wash out the turkey with water. Pull out any remaining feather stubs in the turkey skin. Pat the turkey dry with paper towels. Lather the inside of the cavity with the juice of half a lemon. Take a small handful of salt and rub all over the inside of the turkey.
4 In this method of cooking a turkey, we don't make the stuffing in the turkey because doing so adds too much to the cooking time. For flavor, put in inside the turkey a half a yellow onion, peeled and quartered, a bunch of parsley, a couple of carrots, and some tops and bottoms of celery. You may need to cap the body cavity with some aluminum foil so that the stuffing doesn't easily fall out. Close up the turkey cavity with either string (not nylon string!) or metal skewers. Make sure that the turkey's legs are tied together, held close to the body, and tie a string around the turkey body to hold the wings in close.


The neck cavity can be stuffed with parsley and tied closed with thin skewers and string.

5 Rub either melted butter or olive oil all over the outside of the turkey. Sprinkle salt generously all over the outside of the turkey (or have had it soaking in salt-water brine before starting this process). Sprinkle pepper over the turkey.

6 Place turkey BREAST DOWN on the bottom of a rack over a sturdy roasting pan big enough to catch all the drippings. This is the main difference between the way mom makes turkey and everyone else. Cooking the turkey breast down means the skin over the breast will not get so brown. However, all of the juices from the cooking turkey will fall down into the breast while cooking. And the resulting bird will have the most succulent turkey breast imaginable.

Add several sprigs of fresh (if possible) thyme and rosemary to the outside of the turkey.

7 Chop up the turkey giblets (gizzard, heart). Put into a small saucepan, cover with water, add salt. Bring to simmer for an hour or so to help make stock for the stuffing (see stuffing recipe).

8 Put the turkey in the oven. Check the cooking directions on the turkey packaging. Gourmet turkeys often don't take as long to cook. With the turkeys mom gets, she recommends cooking time of about 15 minutes for every pound. For the 15 lb turkey, start the cooking at 400 F for the first 1/2 hour. Then reduce the heat to 350 F for the next 2 hours. Then reduce the heat further to 225 F for the next hour to hour and a half.

If you want the breast to be browned as well, you can turn over the bird for the last 15-20 minutes of cooking, at an oven temp of 300°F. (Oven must be at least 250°F for browning to occur.) Note that if you do this, you will have a higher risk of overcooking the turkey breast. We never worry about browning the breast.

Start taking temperature readings with a meat thermometer, inserted deep into the thickest part of the turkey breast and thigh, a half hour before the turkey should be done. The dark meat in the thigh should be about 175°F. The white meat in the breast should be 160°F to 165°F. If you don't have a meat thermometer, spear the breast with a knife. The turkey juices should be clear, not pink.

9 Once you remove the turkey from the oven, let it rest for 15-20 minutes. Turn the turkey breast side up to carve it. (See Epicurious video on carving a turkey.)


Making Turkey Gravy

Scrape all the drippings off of the bottom of the roasting pan. Pour drippings into a smaller skillet. Ladle off excess fat with a gravy spoon and save for possible use later. In a separate small bowl take a quarter cup of corn starch and add just enough water to dissolve the corn starch. Beat cornstarch with a spoon to remove lumps. Slowly add the cornstarch mixture to the drippings, stirring constantly. You may not end up using all of the cornstarch mixture. Only add as much as you need to get the desired thickness. Allow time for the cornstarch to thicken the gravy. Add salt, pepper, sage, thyme, or other seasonings to taste.


Save Bones for Stock

When you are finished with your turkey, save the bones from the carcass to make a delicious turkey soup.
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