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Postby EPSILON » Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:44 pm

halil wrote:Obama sees it, but what about Greek Cypriots?

17.04.2009

Niyazi Kizilyurek

Turkey key to US Mid East plans

You know if you ever travelled with Cyprus Airways, there is something funny about the navigation maps shown during the flights of this airline. The Eastern Mediterranean vision mentioned frequently by Abdullah Gul and specified as a close collaboration between Greece, Turkey and Cyprus must be taken seriously.


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Talking Turkey
Apr 8th 2009
From The Economist print edition

America’s public call for Turkish entry into the European Union may backfire

APBY CHOOSING to end his grand tour of Europe in Ankara and Istanbul this week, Barack Obama fulfilled his pledge to visit a Muslim country during his first 100 days in office. He took the opportunity of his address to the Turkish parliament to reaffirm that America was not at war with Islam (see article). But his visit was also testimony to Turkey’s strategic importance for the West as a whole.

That reflects partly geography, partly geopolitics. As Mr Obama pointed out, Turkey is a natural bridge between Europe and the Middle East. Its potential as an energy transit corridor to Europe was again made obvious during January’s gas dispute between Russia and Ukraine. Turkey has the chance to play a pivotal role in the troubled Caucasus region, especially if its current efforts to repair relations with Armenia succeed. Militarily, Turkey has NATO’s biggest army after America’s, and hosts a large American airbase at Incirlik. Recently its prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, has also engaged robustly in Middle Eastern diplomacy, mediating between Syria and Israel, talking to Iran and keeping a beady eye on the aspirations for self-rule of the Kurds of northern Iraq.

Turkey matters for another reason too. It is a working example of a secular democracy in a Muslim country. It would be wrong to present it crudely as a model for the Muslim—especially the Arab—world to follow. Turkey’s history and geography make it a special case. But it does help disprove the widespread belief that Islam and overtly Islamist political parties must always be incompatible with a functioning democracy.

Almost since it first came to power in 2002, Mr Erdogan’s mildly Islamist Justice and Development (AK) Party has been under attack from Turkey’s secular Ataturkist establishment, particularly the generals. Yet although AK suffered a setback in recent local elections, the prime minister and his party have retained broad support among voters. And they have largely, if not always consistently, stuck to the path of liberalising reforms that passed a milestone in December 2004, when Mr Erdogan triumphantly secured a date to open formal negotiations for Turkey’s membership of the European Union.

Those negotiations have not been going smoothly. The obstacles to Turkish membership are numerous and as large as Turkey itself. Public opinion in many EU countries is less than welcoming. The French president, Nicolas Sarkozy, has loudly and repeatedly made clear that he is against Turkish membership; so, less vociferously, has the German chancellor, Angela Merkel. A settlement of the long-drawn-out Cyprus dispute is anyway an essential precondition for Turkish entry. Troublingly, partly in response to Europe’s perceived lack of enthusiasm, Turks’ appetite for more reforms to fulfil the EU’s terms of entry has waned. Public opinion in Turkey has recently taken on a noticeably anti-American and anti-European tinge.

From Brussels, not Washington
Given all this, it is understandable that Mr Obama repeated America’s view that the EU should admit Turkey. Yet it was a tactical mistake. The EU’s leaders (not only Mr Sarkozy) do not take kindly to outsiders telling them publicly who should join their club—any more than Mr Obama would like to be told by Europeans that he should throw open the United States’ border with Mexico. They must be persuaded on the merits of the case, not by lobbying that might make Turkish entry seem like an American idea. Above all, they need to believe that the Turks themselves are prepared to make changes at home to qualify. Turkish membership of the EU is, at best, many years off. Keeping it on the table is the job of political leaders in Brussels and Ankara, not Washington

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Postby EPSILON » Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:51 pm

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Apr 8th 2009 | ISTANBUL
From The Economist print edition

Turkey basks in the glory of a two-day visit by Barack Obama

Only one cloud hung over Mr Obama’s trip: his campaign pledge to call the mass killings of the Ottoman Armenians in 1915 “genocide”. In a press conference after his talks with Mr Gul, the American president said that he had not changed his view of history. But in a blow to the Armenian diaspora, which has long lobbied for a congressional bill to label the massacres as genocide, Mr Obama suggested that Turkey’s recent efforts to reopen its border and re-establish diplomatic ties with Armenia should not be overshadowed by America’s position on the issue. Turkey and Armenia are expected soon to sign an agreement, after months of Swiss-sponsored talks in Bern. Officials close to the negotiations say that a document could be initialled by both sides in “a matter of days” and that the border could be reopened “within months”.

This was not all a cynical fudge. During his parliamentary speech, Mr Obama declared that “history…unresolved can be a heavy weight…I know there are strong views in this chamber about the terrible events of 1915. While there has been a good deal of commentary about my views, this is really about how the Turkish and Armenian people deal with the past. And the best way forward for the Turkish and Armenian people is a process that works through the past in a way that is honest, open and constructive.”

Not all Turks agree. An Ankara court recently overturned an Istanbul prosecutor’s decision not to investigate some 30,000 Turks who have signed an online declaration apologising to the Ottoman Armenians for the “great catastrophe” that befell them in 1915.

Tensions are also running high in the mostly Kurdish south-east. Mr Obama praised the recent launch of a state-run 24-hour Kurdish-language television channel. But only days before his arrival, two Kurdish youths were killed in clashes with police during a rally called to mark the birthday of the captive PKK leader, Abdullah Ocalan. Over 50 demonstrators who turned out to protest against the deaths are still in police custody.

Many friends of Turkey hope that Mr Obama will stick by his pledge on the Armenian genocide. They say that would restore America’s moral credibility and would allow it to draw attention to Turkey’s patchy human-rights record. Until recently, the EU’s remonstrations counted most. But Europe’s habitual foot-dragging during Turkey’s membership talks has meant that it “has neither any carrots nor any sticks left,” confesses an EU envoy in Ankara. Enter Barack Hussein Obama to fill the void.
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Postby boomerang » Tue Apr 21, 2009 11:43 pm

Oracle wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
boomerang wrote:
runaway wrote:Is it really important what 750.000 think about 75.000.000? Do we really give a shit about them? NOPE :!:


oh but clearly you do little fella...happy dreams

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It is said, that a picture can speak a thousand words.!

Looking at the above two pictures, I think that number went up by a few thousand.!


I agree. :D

In the first one with Kyprianou ... Clinton is obviously happy for an Official Photo to dignify the meeting.

With Talat ... it looks like he grabbed her as she was passing by .... :lol:


It looks like an ambush from behind the wall as she was walking by and catching her off guard... :lol: ......right leg straight and left one coming forward...even the person in the background with her right hand open as to say what the fuck?... :lol:

But never the less a good picture of Talat feeding the chooks back home... :lol:

I wonder how the globalization and capitalization discussions went...I hope Hillary was prepared... :lol:

@Kiks
Looks like your minutes of the meeting were spot on... :lol:
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:18 am

A few years back we wouldnt have dreamt of going to Washingtıon let alone be accepted by the foreign minister. TCs have come along way another 20 years and who knows what will happen in the face of GC intrangience, if they keep up the good work it wont be long before everyone is really pissed of and the TRNC is recognized.
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Postby boomerang » Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:35 am

Viewpoint wrote:A few years back we wouldnt have dreamt of going to Washingtıon let alone be accepted by the foreign minister. TCs have come along way another 20 years and who knows what will happen in the face of GC intrangience, if they keep up the good work it wont be long before everyone is really pissed of and the TRNC is recognized.


As I said...Talat owed to be congratulated for feeding the chooks with
'"A" grade chook feed... :lol:

If you thought for a moment, you would realise, by looking at the picture, Hillary didn't just wake up in the morning yearning for Talat, an endorser of ethnic cleansing and colonization...That day will never come...The EU made sure of that...You and your tc policy have absolutely nothing to offer the US...Turkey has, and you will be sold down the river when the time comes... :lol:

The only way you came a long way is because the barricades were lifted, allowing you to call yourself a European at no cost while witnessing an economic miracle in the free areas...Undesrstandably, you want the same...But your constant tyrade of bullshit "wants" doesn't seem to be fitting of todays civilised nations...
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:40 am

boomerang wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:A few years back we wouldnt have dreamt of going to Washingtıon let alone be accepted by the foreign minister. TCs have come along way another 20 years and who knows what will happen in the face of GC intrangience, if they keep up the good work it wont be long before everyone is really pissed of and the TRNC is recognized.


As I said...Talat owed to be congratulated for feeding the chooks with
'"A" grade chook feed... :lol:

If you thought for a moment, you would realise, by looking at the picture, Hillary didn't just wake up in the morning yearning for Talat, an endorser of ethnic cleansing and colonization...That day will never come...The EU made sure of that...You and your tc policy have absolutely nothing to offer the US...Turkey has, and you will be sold down the river when the time comes... :lol:

The only way you came a long way is because the barricades were lifted, allowing you to call yourself a European at no cost while witnessing an economic miracle in the free areas...Undesrstandably, you want the same...But your constant tyrade of bullshit "wants" doesn't seem to be fitting of todays civilised nations...


You sound worried whys one little meeting pu tthe jitters up you guys. Werent you all predicting doom and gloom for Turkey shoudl Obama be elected and that a meeting between Talat and Clinton would never take place . Things do not seem to be devloping as per GCs plans to silence the TCs. One step at a time boomer...we will have our day to and I dont think you are gonna like it...you will be kicking yourselves for the opportunities you missed. Nothing stays the same and the TRNC cannot stay unrecognized forever.
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Postby boomerang » Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:39 am

Viewpoint wrote:
boomerang wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:A few years back we wouldnt have dreamt of going to Washingtıon let alone be accepted by the foreign minister. TCs have come along way another 20 years and who knows what will happen in the face of GC intrangience, if they keep up the good work it wont be long before everyone is really pissed of and the TRNC is recognized.


As I said...Talat owed to be congratulated for feeding the chooks with
'"A" grade chook feed... :lol:

If you thought for a moment, you would realise, by looking at the picture, Hillary didn't just wake up in the morning yearning for Talat, an endorser of ethnic cleansing and colonization...That day will never come...The EU made sure of that...You and your tc policy have absolutely nothing to offer the US...Turkey has, and you will be sold down the river when the time comes... :lol:

The only way you came a long way is because the barricades were lifted, allowing you to call yourself a European at no cost while witnessing an economic miracle in the free areas...Undesrstandably, you want the same...But your constant tyrade of bullshit "wants" doesn't seem to be fitting of todays civilised nations...


You sound worried whys one little meeting pu tthe jitters up you guys. Werent you all predicting doom and gloom for Turkey shoudl Obama be elected and that a meeting between Talat and Clinton would never take place . Things do not seem to be devloping as per GCs plans to silence the TCs. One step at a time boomer...we will have our day to and I dont think you are gonna like it...you will be kicking yourselves for the opportunities you missed. Nothing stays the same and the TRNC cannot stay unrecognized forever.


First of all meetings like this where talat equates a prostitute in the anals of corridors makes no one worried... :lol: ...rather amuses people on the amount of bullshit thrown at you guys...

There is nothing to silence, we just sit back and laugh every time you mention the UN... :lol:
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Postby umit07 » Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:37 am

Viewpoint wrote:A few years back we wouldnt have dreamt of going to Washingtıon let alone be accepted by the foreign minister. TCs have come along way another 20 years and who knows what will happen in the face of GC intrangience, if they keep up the good work it wont be long before everyone is really pissed of and the TRNC is recognized.


VP what you just said above is one of the core propaganda points of CTP, which is total bull crap. I never though you were a CTP man.

Father Denktas met with plenty of high ranking officials, what is important is the outcomes which have always been fuck all.
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Postby Piratis » Wed Apr 22, 2009 6:57 am

Viewpoint wrote:A few years back we wouldnt have dreamt of going to Washingtıon let alone be accepted by the foreign minister. TCs have come along way another 20 years and who knows what will happen in the face of GC intrangience, if they keep up the good work it wont be long before everyone is really pissed of and the TRNC is recognized.


Why would anybody give a fuck, let alone be pissed off about "trnc" being unrecognized? You are the only ones who are pissed about it.

You declared a state on land that does not belong to you, and there are UN resolutions that declare your pseudo state as legally invalid and call for all states not to recognize it. So forget about recognition.
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Postby runaway » Wed Apr 22, 2009 7:02 am

Viewpoint wrote:Werent you all predicting that a meeting between Talat and Clinton would never take place . .


exactly. south cypriot donkeys are fooled once more.
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