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[denizaksulu]

Didnt the Brits and TCs fight EOKA, only fitting their memorial is in the north with their ally not their enemy.

Never heard it put like that before. Admittedly they did employ TC Auxillaries to help them. I doubt that it was Brits and TCs versus EOKA. Perhaps some GCs will see it like that, but I disagree with the above statement.

The TCs had to side with Brits as they were not strong enough alone to stop Gcs from signing their death warrant by giving Cyprus to Greece.

You will never grow up. Siding with the British is one thing. The Turkish Community fighting with the British against EOKA is another thing. It was the Brit. v EOKA with the help of the Auxillaries.

You tell me clever clogs why did the TCs side with Brits? against EOKA??

To prevent the British giving Cyprus to Greece.

As I said above; I had never heard it called that before. As far as we were concerned it was the struggle of EOKA v Britain. Cant one have an opinion different from you, before you call them names?

[The Cypriot]

Didnt the Brits and TCs fight EOKA, only fitting their memorial is in the north with their ally not their enemy.

Never heard it put like that before. Admittedly they did employ TC Auxillaries to help them. I doubt that it was Brits and TCs versus EOKA. Perhaps some GCs will see it like that, but I disagree with the above statement.

The TCs had to side with Brits as they were not strong enough alone to stop Gcs from signing their death warrant by giving Cyprus to Greece.

You will never grow up. Siding with the British is one thing. The Turkish Community fighting with the British against EOKA is another thing. It was the Brit. v EOKA with the help of the Auxillaries.

You tell me clever clogs why did the TCs side with Brits? against EOKA??

To prevent the British giving Cyprus to Greece.

As I said above; I had never heard it called that before. As far as we were concerned it was the struggle of EOKA v Britain. Cant one have an opinion different from you, before you call them names?

As far as I can gather from my research, and please correct me if I am wrong, not one civilian of Muslim extraction was killed by EOKA.

Only if they were bribed to dress up in British police uniforms were they attacked and killed by EOKA.

So it may not be true to say that such civilians of Muslim extraction sided with the British. Not openly anyway. But please do correct me if I am wrong.

[Kifeas]

you stated before concernng territorial arragments there should be red lines,were do you think the roc can get areas were at least a large number of people return to there homes without upsetting the overall balance of the plan.

Boulio, the issue is no more a residential one, but rather one that has to do with properties and their value. It has nothing to do with getting back 35-40 year old houses in villages which under the current circumstances have no economic potential, since nearly all the refugees have obtained some decent housing already. What we mostly need is properties with value, and these are only the seaside /coastline areas, which the A-plan excluded very delicately in order not to affect Turkey's aims to control the north and east sea water areas between her and Cyprus through their inclusion into the TC constituent state. This was the essential concern behind the territorial arrangements of the A-plan, i.e. where the coastlines of Cyprus would fall under, and not to try and make a fair and balanced apportionment. Take Karpasia for example. Why have the Turks refused to discuss the return of even a small part of the peninsula? Because of the coastlines which they wanted to have a direct or indirect control over! Take for example the return of the (Maronite) Kormakitis village. Why only the village, i.e. a mere circle around the residential part of it was returned –as an enclave, and not the entire peninsula including its coastlines -since there weren’t any TCs living in these areas to be affected? It is because of Turkey’s wish to have control of the coastlines, as parts of the TC constituent state. Doesn’t that tell you a lot of what Turkey’s aims were though the A-plan, which were all in one way or another been satisfied? Why the GC state should be left with only 44% of the coastlines, and the TC state with 53% (the remaining 3% were British bases,) if the population that would have been allowed to permanently reside in the two states was on a 70:30 ratio? It only had to do with Turkey’s wishes to have a free ride on our coastlines, and control and prey our territorial waters and continental shelf. Does it need a genius to see in which trap we were let to fell into?

[denizaksulu]

Didnt the Brits and TCs fight EOKA, only fitting their memorial is in the north with their ally not their enemy.

Never heard it put like that before. Admittedly they did employ TC Auxillaries to help them. I doubt that it was Brits and TCs versus EOKA. Perhaps some GCs will see it like that, but I disagree with the above statement.

The TCs had to side with Brits as they were not strong enough alone to stop Gcs from signing their death warrant by giving Cyprus to Greece.

You will never grow up. Siding with the British is one thing. The Turkish Community fighting with the British against EOKA is another thing. It was the Brit. v EOKA with the help of the Auxillaries.

You tell me clever clogs why did the TCs side with Brits? against EOKA??

To prevent the British giving Cyprus to Greece.

As I said above; I had never heard it called that before. As far as we were concerned it was the struggle of EOKA v Britain. Cant one have an opinion different from you, before you call them names?

As far as I can gather from my research, and please correct me if I am wrong, not one civilian of Muslim extraction was killed by EOKA.

Only if they were bribed to dress up in British police uniforms were they attacked and killed by EOKA.

So it may not be true to say that such civilians of Muslim extraction sided with the British. Not openly anyway. But please do correct me if I am wrong.

I will provide you with a list tomorrow. The info is on my PC at work. Its not a perfect list, but you would be able to pick out the truer figures to help your research. Remind me if I do forget.

[The Cypriot]

Thanks, deniz... are these civilians or police?

[Oracle]

Didnt the Brits and TCs fight EOKA, only fitting their memorial is in the north with their ally not their enemy.

Never heard it put like that before. Admittedly they did employ TC Auxillaries to help them. I doubt that it was Brits and TCs versus EOKA. Perhaps some GCs will see it like that, but I disagree with the above statement.

The TCs had to side with Brits as they were not strong enough alone to stop Gcs from signing their death warrant by giving Cyprus to Greece.

You will never grow up. Siding with the British is one thing. The Turkish Community fighting with the British against EOKA is another thing. It was the Brit. v EOKA with the help of the Auxillaries.

You tell me clever clogs why did the TCs side with Brits? against EOKA??

To prevent the British giving Cyprus to Greece.

As I said above; I had never heard it called that before. As far as we were concerned it was the struggle of EOKA v Britain. Cant one have an opinion different from you, before you call them names?

As far as I can gather from my research, and please correct me if I am wrong, not one civilian of Muslim extraction was killed by EOKA.

Only if they were bribed to dress up in British police uniforms were they attacked and killed by EOKA.

So it may not be true to say that such civilians of Muslim extraction sided with the British. Not openly anyway. But please do correct me if I am wrong.

I will provide you with a list tomorrow. The info is on my PC at work. Its not a perfect list, but you would be able to pick out the truer figures to help your research. Remind me if I do forget.

I hope it's not that iffy list you posted before, with TCs killed by influenza and such like

[insan]

Didnt the Brits and TCs fight EOKA, only fitting their memorial is in the north with their ally not their enemy.

Never heard it put like that before. Admittedly they did employ TC Auxillaries to help them. I doubt that it was Brits and TCs versus EOKA. Perhaps some GCs will see it like that, but I disagree with the above statement.

The TCs had to side with Brits as they were not strong enough alone to stop Gcs from signing their death warrant by giving Cyprus to Greece.

You will never grow up. Siding with the British is one thing. The Turkish Community fighting with the British against EOKA is another thing. It was the Brit. v EOKA with the help of the Auxillaries.

You tell me clever clogs why did the TCs side with Brits? against EOKA??

To prevent the British giving Cyprus to Greece.

As I said above; I had never heard it called that before. As far as we were concerned it was the struggle of EOKA v Britain. Cant one have an opinion different from you, before you call them names?

As far as I can gather from my research, and please correct me if I am wrong, not one civilian of Muslim extraction was killed by EOKA.

Only if they were bribed to dress up in British police uniforms were they attacked and killed by EOKA.

So it may not be true to say that such civilians of Muslim extraction sided with the British. Not openly anyway. But please do correct me if I am wrong.

It is a fact that TCs were always against ENOSIS and a Greek controlled Cyprus. In the begining of the EOKA struggle, there were both TCs and GCs serving as police auxillaries for Brits. Had any of those policemen been forced by Brits to join police forces of Brits? or Bribed? I don't think so. So, why did they accept to become the auxillaries of Brits. For TCs answer is easy. Help Brits, prevent Enosis. For GCs, I'm not sure but maybe they didn't believe that EOKA struggle would be successful. Another reason might be, if they were mostly leftists(most probably); they didn't consider Greece as their motherland and rather they wished being under Brit Rule until they spreaded communism on whole Cyprus and become a socialist republic.

In 1957, TCs backed by Turkey and Brits organized their own armed struggle for partition of Cyprus.

[insan]

Didnt the Brits and TCs fight EOKA, only fitting their memorial is in the north with their ally not their enemy.

Never heard it put like that before. Admittedly they did employ TC Auxillaries to help them. I doubt that it was Brits and TCs versus EOKA. Perhaps some GCs will see it like that, but I disagree with the above statement.

The TCs had to side with Brits as they were not strong enough alone to stop Gcs from signing their death warrant by giving Cyprus to Greece.

You will never grow up. Siding with the British is one thing. The Turkish Community fighting with the British against EOKA is another thing. It was the Brit. v EOKA with the help of the Auxillaries.

You tell me clever clogs why did the TCs side with Brits? against EOKA??

To prevent the British giving Cyprus to Greece.

As I said above; I had never heard it called that before. As far as we were concerned it was the struggle of EOKA v Britain. Cant one have an opinion different from you, before you call them names?

As far as I can gather from my research, and please correct me if I am wrong, not one civilian of Muslim extraction was killed by EOKA.

Only if they were bribed to dress up in British police uniforms were they attacked and killed by EOKA.

So it may not be true to say that such civilians of Muslim extraction sided with the British. Not openly anyway. But please do correct me if I am wrong.

I will provide you with a list tomorrow. The info is on my PC at work. Its not a perfect list, but you would be able to pick out the truer figures to help your research. Remind me if I do forget.

EOKA death-toll by British source:
http://www.britains-smallwars.com/cyprus/ROH-2.html

CYPRUS 1954-1959
SGM Herbert A. Friedman (Ret.) and Brigadier General Ioannis Paschalidis

http://www.psywarrior.com/cyprus.html

Worths for reading.

[denizaksulu]

Thanks, deniz... are these civilians or police?

All murdered auxillaries are included I think. Some killed by their own doing (making bombs), some civilians also included. There are dates and brief description of circumstances too. Unfortunately in Turkish. I can help in translating them.

[The Cypriot]

It is a fact that TCs were always against ENOSIS and a Greek controlled Cyprus.

I don't suppose anyone would deny that, insan.

In the begining of the EOKA struggle, there were both TCs and GCs serving as police auxillaries for Brits. Had any of those policemen been forced by Brits to join police forces of Brits?

I doubt it. You can't force someone to be a policeman. They'd be pretty ineffective.

or Bribed?

Most definitely. It was a financial inducement, whichever way you look at it.

I don't think so.

You're wrong so.

Bribe (noun)
Something, such as money or a favor, offered or given to a person in a position of trust to influence that person's views or conduct.

http://www.answers.com/topic/bribe

Let's not play with words, insan, esp. not English ones. It's my favourite subject.

So, why did they accept to become the auxillaries of Brits. For TCs answer is easy. Help Brits, prevent Enosis.

And to get paid, insan. They took the money.

In 1957, TCs backed by Turkey and Brits organized their own armed struggle for partition of Cyprus.

Ah yes! The real heroes. Taking money from two different imperialist powers to carve up the island of love.