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[boulio]

the Anglo-american-canadian plan

can you give us some details of this plan you keep mentioning

[Viewpoint]

Didnt the Brits and TCs fight EOKA, only fitting their memorial is in the north with their ally not their enemy.

[The Cypriot]

Thanks for your wonderfully dignified post, BOF. My respects to you.

http://www.britishcyprusmemorial.org/in ... hoarethey/

Here's a cut and paste job from me then....


Skuluguin, skuluguin,
Bu bais horis vraguin?
Emba mesa stin fulian su,
Men bonisis da lema su.

Worm so little, worm so little,
Without pants where do you riggle?
Get off home and shut your front door,
Otherwise you’ll get your throat sore.

[Bananiot]

Here is a list of the loud NO's we said to various plans for Cyprus, as compiled by ex Foreign Minister, Nikos Rolandis:

Peace moves rejected by Greek Cypriots

-1948: Consultative Assembly: We rejected it.
-1955-56: Harding proposals: We rejected them.
-1956: Ratcliffe Constitution: We rejected it.
-1958: Macmillan Plan: We rejected it.
-1959-60: Zurich-London Agreements: We rejected them in 1963 (through the efforts to amend the Constitution) although we initially accepted them.
-1964: Acheson Plan: We rejected it.
-1972: Agreement of Clerides-Denktas: We rejected it.
-1975: Bicommunal Arrangement: We rejected it.
-1978: Anglo-American Canadian Plan: We rejected it.
-1981: Evaluation of Waldheim: We rejected it.
-1983: Indicators of Perez de Cuellar: We rejected them.
-1985-86: Consolidated Documents of Perez de Cuellar: We rejected them.
-1992: Set of Ideas, Boutros Boutros-Ghali: We rejected them in 1993.
-1997: Kofi Annan's proposals at Troutbeck-Glion: They could not go through.
-2002-2004: Annan Plan: We rejected it.

[The Cypriot]

Didnt the Brits and TCs fight EOKA, only fitting their memorial is in the north with their ally not their enemy.

No one likes an arse licker, VP. Especially not the Brits.

[Bananiot]

Its quite a list bulio, best to look in books. Most of the protagonists have written books.

[Viewpoint]

Didnt the Brits and TCs fight EOKA, only fitting their memorial is in the north with their ally not their enemy.

No one likes an arse licker, VP. Especially not the Brits.

Whats arse licking about dieing together?

[Kifeas]

Kifeas, I accepted the Annan Plan as the best option under the circumstances. Of course it would have been much better had Papadopoulos negotiated a little bit but this is another story. What the plan catered for and what Christofias accepted is that 50 K settlers will stay after solution. Thus, about 35 000 will cast their vote in elections there after. I consider this to be realistic but if you think that it is possible to repatriate every single settler (even those born here), please tell us how, since you consider yourself to be a realist.

The above is mere detail really. My main argument was that despite getting numerous favourable resolutions, in practice we are asked to make a compromise by the same institutions that have called for Turkey to withdraw her troops and for all the refugees to return to their homes. Furthermore, the rsolutions also speak about a solution that is accepted to both communities. What does this tell you Kifeas? What will we do when the north is inhabited by one million people and we are still asked to negotiate with the other side in order to find a compromise solution? You do understand what compromise is, Kifeas?

In 1978 we came close to solving the issue and at the time there were only 5 000 settlers but the main argument then, by those that rejected the Anglo-american-canadian plan, was the number of settlers that would stay. It is nice to use the patriotic jargon (especially when it does not cost anything) but those who objected to Makarios's long-term struggle policy, were quickly branded traitors and were sidelined or forced to go along with him.

Now, things are very difficult of course and frustration causes people to become very weird. Take yourself for example. Only a year ago you told us that the only solution is partition which we should negotiate and get the best we can. Some coastline, some land and a partition along the 80% to 20% would have made you very happy, you said. Just as a matter of interest, are you still thinking like this, especially after the rise of Eroglu?

Christofias (foolishly in my opinion, as a starting position -it should have been traded off as a compromise in a give and take situation,) accepted 50,000 settlers all together, including those married with TCs, children, etc. The Annan plan allowed for 45,000 listed voters, excluding their families, i.e. children, and also excluding those married with TCs and their offspring. In addition to that, another 5% would have been permitted to obtain citizenship, over and above that number. All in all, the A-plan arrangement amounted to more than 100,000 settlers obtaining Cypriot citizenship -nearly as many as the original TCs and essentially all of those that today are listed in the "TC electoral lists" and which gave the "victory" to the gray wolf; the one that would have also become our president had we opted for the Anglo-American monstrosity and sold on the cheap ourselves to Turkey.

Furthermore, Christofias is proposing a combined election of the president /vice president duo, directly by the people and on a common ticket, just to exclude and avoid the possibly that Turkey becomes our government though the inevitable power-sharing and rotating presidency formula. This was something missing from the deceased A-plan.

The above proposals by Christofias, together with better territorial and property arrangements, should be our red lines; for we cannot afford a single deviation without risking a disaster that will inevitably lead to partition on our own will.

[boulio]

How would you rate Christofias Kifeas?and how would you rate the direction the talks are going?

[The Cypriot]

No one likes an arse licker, VP. Especially not the Brits.

Whats arse licking about dieing together?

Leftists who supported the struggle against colonial rule but voiced their objections to the EOKA leadership's extremism were also targeted.

They certainly didn't lick anyone's arse. They didn't collaborate with Imperialists from any foreign power.

They died with dignity. And they died alone.