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[miltiades]

Is drink all you think about miltiades?

And his imaginary girlfriends...

Never had a girlfriend mate , been married too long to the only one I ever had , still with her today 46 years later .
Imaginary girlfriends ? , are you confusing your imaginary creator by any chance ?!!!

[EricSeans]

Under the circumstances of 50s where neo-fascist movemnt in Greece was on the rise ...

Do you have the slightest clue what you are talking about?

Only that I have a hard enough time with the jokers on the other side without coming here and getting blamed for someone else's quote.

[insan]

Under the circumstances of 50s where neo-fascist movemnt in Greece was on the rise ...

Do you have the slightest clue what you are talking about?

Only that I have a hard enough time with the jokers on the other side without coming here and getting blamed for someone else's quote.

Civil War, 1947-1949

In 1946, Britain looked to the U.S. to fight the leftists in Greece. In 1947, U.S. arms shipments arrived. They built up the rightist Greek war machine with fighters, napalm, small arms and patrol boats. They helped construct air fields, bridges, docks, railways and communication networks. The civil war lasted three years. Finally, in 1949, the leftists announced a cease fire. The neo-fascists won and created a brutal regime. The CIA established the Greek secret police (KYP) whose officers had been trained by the OSS and CIA in the U.S.

U.S. Control, 1950s

In the early 1950s, the U.S. directly influenced the various prime ministers. If the Greek government refused to comply with American demands, the U.S. pressured the prime minister to abdicate by threatening to sever financial aid to the country.

Before George Papandreou was elected prime minister, he acknowledged that the Greek government was compelled to carry out U.S. demands. They "exercised almost dictatorial control during the early 1950s requiring the signature of the chief of the U.S. Economic Mission to appear alongside that of the Greek Minister of Coordination on any important documents."

http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/i ... greece.htm[/b]

[insan]

Under the circumstances of 50s where neo-fascist movemnt in Greece was on the rise ...

Do you have the slightest clue what you are talking about?

Only that I have a hard enough time with the jokers on the other side without coming here and getting blamed for someone else's quote.

The United States intervened in the Greek civil war, taking the side of the neo-fascists against the Greek left which had fought the Nazis. The neo-fascists won and instituted a highly brutal regime, for which the CIA created a new internal security agency, KYP. Before long, KYP was carrying out all the endearing practices of secret police everywhere, including systematic torture.

http://www.knowledgerush.com/kr/encyclo ... of_Greece/

[insan]

Under the circumstances of 50s where neo-fascist movemnt in Greece was on the rise ...

Do you have the slightest clue what you are talking about?

Only that I have a hard enough time with the jokers on the other side without coming here and getting blamed for someone else's quote.

Neo-fascism in Greece has been present in Greek politics since the authoritarian regime of Ioannis Metaxas, though with limited popularity among the public. During the 1950s and 1960s, Greek neo-fascists composed extremist fractions, one of which was responsible for the killing of politician Gregoris Lambrakis. In 1967, the Greek military Junta of George Papadopoulos found inspiration in the Metaxas period (Greek fascism) of 1936-1941 and gathered many Greeks of a neo-fascist mentality to power.

A decade after the restoration of democracy in 1974, former Junta leader George Papadopoulos founded and lead the National Political Union, a party supporting, if not neo-fascism, at least authoritarian views and the ideal of "Ellas ton Ellinon Christianon" (Greece of Greek-Orthodox Greeks).The Greek neo-fascists were greatly alienated though, but continued to existed in fringe minority parties, very rarely achieving parliament seats. In the early 80's Nikolaos Michaloliakos, a former Greek Army parachutist and youth leader of the National Political Union founded Hrisi Avgi.
Colonels' Junta in Greece (1967-1974)

http://dic.academic.ru/dic.nsf/enwiki/31235

[EricSeans]

Under the circumstances of 50s where neo-fascist movemnt in Greece was on the rise ...

Do you have the slightest clue what you are talking about?

Only that I have a hard enough time with the jokers on the other side without coming here and getting blamed for someone else's quote.

The United States intervened in the Greek civil war, taking the side of the neo-fascists against the Greek left which had fought the Nazis. The neo-fascists won and instituted a highly brutal regime, for which the CIA created a new internal security agency, KYP. Before long, KYP was carrying out all the endearing practices of secret police everywhere, including systematic torture.

http://www.knowledgerush.com/kr/encyclo ... of_Greece/

I know, I know, but who did I take a bullet for?

[insan]

Under the circumstances of 50s where neo-fascist movemnt in Greece was on the rise ...

Do you have the slightest clue what you are talking about?

Only that I have a hard enough time with the jokers on the other side without coming here and getting blamed for someone else's quote.

The United States intervened in the Greek civil war, taking the side of the neo-fascists against the Greek left which had fought the Nazis. The neo-fascists won and instituted a highly brutal regime, for which the CIA created a new internal security agency, KYP. Before long, KYP was carrying out all the endearing practices of secret police everywhere, including systematic torture.

http://www.knowledgerush.com/kr/encyclo ... of_Greece/

I know, I know, but who did I take a bullet for?

Polis confused a bit.

[Paphitis]

The Cypriot Wrote:

That will only happen when Britain fulfils to its legal and moral obligation to guarantee Cyprus's territorial integrity; something it failed miserably to do in 1974 although it had the capacity to do so, and has steadfastly refused to do since, at the expense of its own diginity, because of some misconceived devotion to perceived US geo-strategic interests, that put oil ahead of humanity. So don't talk about removing lingering resentment. Someone might accuse you of being a 'traitor'.

Well, I totally agree with your post about Britain fulfilling her legal and moral obligations to the Republic of Cyprus, something Britain has not done thus far.

As for the US geo-strategic interests, I only agree with you from a moral point of view as I believe that the Iraq War was so fundamentally wrong even though my allegiances lie with my country which is also directly involved.

It was a legal responsibility for the UK to guarantee Cyprus's territorial integrity. She didn't, so it's a legal as well as moral issue. Your allegiance should be to your country, but when it behaves illegally or immorally you have a duty, to your country and your people, to campaign against this. That is democracy.

However, I do believe that Cyprus should form closer ties with the US, firstly by applying for membership into the PfP.

As for being called a traitor, well I can live with this also,

Not nice though, is it Paphiti? - to be accused of being a traitor...

because I don't think it is such a big deal in letting the British have a proper a befitting memorial on unoccupied soil which is tasteful and is done in such a fashion which is respectful to the Republic of Cyprus and Cypriot citizens.

When she secures Cyprus's freedom, let's talk about it.

You can accuse me of whatever you like. In fact I would not have it any other way.

I can assure you that I still sleep very easy at nights Chip.

And my country does not behave illegally or immorally. My allegiance still stands with my country regardless. I can never condemn the ADF or what it does. I don't seek popularism like you do.

[Paphitis]

Paphitis said: "The only thing we could condemn is Gordon Rayner's description of EOKA freedom fighters as "terrorists".

But there's the rub, isn't it? One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist. EOKA, TMT, IRA, INLA, UDA, Taliban, Iraqi insurgents etc are all terrorists or former terrorists. The semantics may change over the years but the definition is the same.

If I was engaged in armed struggle against an enemy occupier of my country, being described as a terrorist by my intended targets would be the least of my worries. If I wasn't terrorising the enemy I wouldn't be much of a freedom fighter. I'm pretty sure a good few of us have shaken hands with killers on both sides of Cyprus, whether we knew it or not. The point is that whether we call them freedom fighters or terrorists, when that stage of history is over we have to move on to the next.

This avoidance of reality is no different to the degenerates in the north who talk about the Turkish "intervention" of 1974. Any amphibious and airborne attack by one country against another is an invasion. Do we talk about the Allied intervention of Normandy? Or the Coalition intervention of Iraq? Or the Argentinian intervention of the Falklands, for that matter?

Only someone who feels shame or incomprehension is afraid of using the appropriate word in any situation.

Excellent post!

However I don't like how you compared EOKA to Taliban.

The Taliban and Al Qaida are terrorist organisations because they do kill innocents indiscriminately.

EOKA on the other hand was resisting the British Occupation and fighting for self determination.

I really think it is nonconstructive for anyone to refer to EOKA as a "terrorist" organisation.

[Paphitis]

The issue isn't about what Britain calls EOKA .... who gives a care!

It's about a Memorial on our soil, to those people who came here to enslave us, and keep us so!

How stupid is that?

By ignoring our wishes, they are continuing the Colonisation mentality ...

Clearly that is their aim, and not a "dignified memorial".

I can't comment about the War Memorial in Kyrenia other than say it is my belief that those behind it have other sinister motives. The remembrance of their fallen has been politicised which is a massive shame.

To lie old enmities to rest after 50 years in accordance with Military Traditions is a noble act Oracle. If you think Cypriots suffered so much under British rule then perhaps you need to rationally look and compare the suffering all of Europe endured from Nazi Germany, or the Japanese barbarism against Australia and the US, or even the trench warfare of Gallipoli or the Western Front.

And yet all these countries have now moved on.

Did you know:

there is a memorial in Staffordshire, England, for the 5,000 German service personnel killed in Britain during World War II - on land gifted to the German government in 1962.

And yet we as Cypriots are incapable of doing the same!

I am very disappointed in my countrymen at this point in time.

Many of the comments in this thread are very disrespectful to these traditions and the instigators as a result are therefore also disrespecting EOKA and their military action action Colonial Rule and occupation.

I will even go further and state that the old farts in the EOKA Fighters Association are also disrespecting EOKA's name because the differences of EOKA and EOKA B have been blurred and this is unforgivable. Thasos Sophocleos is stuck in a time warp and has not yet left the 50s. I doubt whether he is a military person because so far he has degraded EOKA by not following Military Traditions - and believe me when I say that as History is re-written and modified, EOKA will be reduced to anything other than a military force fighting for self determination and this is not what Afxentiou or Pallikaridi would want.

There are Military Traditions and Covenants that need to be followed and these have nothing to do with politics.

It is about time Cypriots learn these traditions.