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[Mr. T]

For some inexplicable reason, the British sense of decorum has become displaced!

Encouraged by the trouble-making Turk-TCs, instead of seeking to help end our present occupation, they instead deem it more important to pay some "tribute" to the Colonialist Forces, upon ethnically cleansed, racially segregated land, in the still-occupied territories of Cyprus.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/pers ... -land.html

Come on Brits! Surely you are more sensitive than this?

What steps should we take to help them see sense?

You could cowardly shoot a few more Brits in the back and celebrate by saying how brave you all are.

[Bananiot]

Kifeas still fails to understand where this world is built on. He chooses to live in dreamland. After so many resolutions that have called for the removal of all foreign troops, the return of all refugees to their homes etc, etc, we are still where we started 35 years ago. The UN and all international institutions, produce resolutions ad nuseum and these give us a theoretical victory in the sense that the only thing that is needed is simply the implementation of them. In practice (and this is the important part) the UN and all international institutions, are urging us to find a compromise solution, that will be accepted by both sides. It is not possible to back the demands of only one side in practice, rather than in theory, despite the fact that we gained great victories on paper.

Welcome to the real world Kifeas!

[The Cypriot]

Are the Turks scheming with those dastardly Russians and Chinese so that they can hang on to a tiny slither of land in the eastern Med?

They are worried about protecting their southern flank from an invasion by Greek Cypriots - I thought everyone knew that!

Are you for real? Cypriots invade Turkey?

You think too much of us. We drink to 'health' not 'honour'. Turkey can keep Anatolia.

We've got bigger fish to fry - starting with Israel! All Cypriots want to be 'Hajis'.

[The Cypriot]

Come on Brits! Surely you are more sensitive than this?

What steps should we take to help them see sense?

You could cowardly shoot a few more Brits in the back and celebrate by saying how brave you all are.

The good Lord 'Annan Plan' Hannay certainly taught us a thing or two about stabbing people in the back but since Cypriots joined the EU they don't take holier-than-thou Brits like him or you seriously anymore.

The most you can expect from Cypriots, these days, for your plummeting pound, is a brandy sour (served with a little spit and a smile)... with our compliments.

Ya su!

[purdey]

"What steps should we take to make them see sense ".
Who ? the journalst, the British public, who he clearly states know little about this, or maybe the families of the lost ?
A little respect on both sides would surely do the trick, or is there still a deep rooted hatred lingering ?

[Kifeas]

Kifeas still fails to understand where this world is built on. He chooses to live in dreamland. After so many resolutions that have called for the removal of all foreign troops, the return of all refugees to their homes etc, etc, we are still where we started 35 years ago. The UN and all international institutions, produce resolutions ad nuseum and these give us a theoretical victory in the sense that the only thing that is needed is simply the implementation of them. In practice (and this is the important part) the UN and all international institutions, are urging us to find a compromise solution, that will be accepted by both sides. It is not possible to back the demands of only one side in practice, rather than in theory, despite the fact that we gained great victories on paper.

Welcome to the real world Kifeas!

It would have been more honest on your behalf if you had also quoted the text of what I said, which allows you to claim that "I choose to live in dreamland." One thing is for sure, that one of the two of us lives in a dreamland, but I let the rest of the forum members to figure it out. I am a realist enough to know and understand that a solution along the lines you have chosen to propagate, with the vast majority of the mainland Turkish settlers in the north and Turkey’s invasion guarantees in place, not only is a stillborn one and doomed to fail, but one which will greater a much and far bigger disaster for the GC community, than any other path to be followed.

[insan]

Have u lately read anything about Russian-Turkish and Turkish-Chinese relations and how things develop in direction of their mutual, national interests?

If we're talking about Turkey's "national interest" it's certainly not to remain in Cyprus, tying up 40,000 troops, bankrolling a failed economy, putting the kibosh on its EU aspirations. It's not in Turkey's "national interest" to keep denying what the Ottomans did to the Armenians. Far better to show contrition, like that economic powerhouse Germany has done over the Holocaust. (Where loads of Turks go as guestarbiter). This isn't "National Interest", it's misguided "national pride".

In most countries when people clink their glasses they drink to 'health'. In Turkey they drink to 'honour'. (Şerefe!) Says it all doesn't it?

But enlighten me, insan. Are the Turks scheming with those dastardly Russians and Chinese so that they can hang on to a tiny slither of land in the eastern Med? To prevent the long-suffering Cypriots from reuniting their island? Is poor little Cyprus really so important to them?

And it doesn't matter how i would relatively be known by others. Is it important?

I'd quite like to know whose side you're really on.

The Cypriot, either ur prejudiced against Turkey/Turks and this don't let u get knowledged abt her, dificulties she faces because of 100s of reasons(her past, location, other Turkic states, multi-ethnic structure, religion etc) and her relations with other states or u consider ur primary and sole interest lay within Cyprus-EU straight line and don't care abt Turkey at all.

Throughout the history, even since BC times; many great empires warred for this small island Cyprus to keep it in their territory for their interests. Since the begining of the British Rule, only a number of states have interests on Cyprus for various reasons.

Greece has interests on Cyprus because of her national security, having a better position on international politics and getting the economic and political benefits of being in a better position to protect the interests of Hellenes worldwide. Turkey too, almost have the same or similar interests on Cyprus. Vast majority of each main communities of Cyprus r happy with having common interests with their respective "motherlands". There's no problem for me too. This is a very natural development in our region. What I am not satisfied with is still going on primitive rivalry, insincerity of mutual relations(indivudually, communally, nationally, politically) and destructive behaviours against each other.

Overwhelming majority of GCs/TCs and Greeks/Turks don't have intellectual maturity and nobility to build all kinds of mature, sincere relations between each other that would eventually lead us to a fully reconciled environment to fearlessly and genuinely get united around common interests primarily in our region and secondarily in other regions of the world.

Brits, EU and USA also have some common interests on Cyprus.

As for the interests of Russia and China on Cyprus which bear a great significance on solution of the Cyprus problem; u first need to read my 2 posts in "politics and elections" sections. Then we can talk abt it.

[The Cypriot]

A little respect on both sides would surely do the trick, or is there still a deep rooted hatred lingering ?

The latter for me.... only it's not hatred, but resentment.

Like perhaps the resentment Liverpool fans still have after the Hillsborough tragedy towards the police; whose role it was to guarantee safety; who were in no small measure responsible for the whole fiasco and who stood idly by as innocent people were crushed; the police who still, after so many years, have done nowhere near enough to admit culpability and put right the wrongs.

[Kifeas]

Greece has interests on Cyprus because of her national security, having a better position on international politics and getting the economic and political benefits of being in a better position to protect the interests of Hellenes worldwide. Turkey too, almost have the same or similar interests on Cyprus. Vast majority of each main communities of Cyprus r happy with having common interests with their respective "motherlands". There's no problem for me too. This is a very natural development in our region. What I am not satisfied with is still going on primitive rivalry, insincerity of mutual relations(indivudually, communally, nationally, politically) and destructive behaviours against each other.

Insan, cut the garbage talk at last! Greece has absolutely no interest in Cyprus regarding her national security. You must be very stupid to believe in such a nonsense, which cannot be justified by any geopolitical facts. The theory you are trying to built is a nonsensical one. It only aims to be a rationalization of why we should accommodate Turkey's desires and issues regarding Cyprus. Turkey’s interests in Cyprus only have to do with its aim to have exclusive control of the entire sea area on its south (between and around Cyprus) and to maintain a claim and a foot on Cyprus’s continental shelf and airspace. Greece has no such ambition or claim.

[The Cypriot]

Overwhelming majority of GCs/TCs and Greeks/Turks don't have intellectual maturity and nobility to build all kinds of mature, sincere relations between each other that would eventually lead us to a fully reconciled environment to fearlessly and genuinely get united around common interests primarily in our region and secondarily in other regions of the world.

Well it's about time they bloody-well started developing some "intellectual maturity and nobility" - especially on your side of the divide! Otherwise the people there will remain prisoners forever.

Brits, EU and USA also have some common interests on Cyprus.

As for the interests of Russia and China on Cyprus which bear a great significance on solution of the Cyprus problem; u first need to read my 2 posts in "politics and elections" sections. Then we can talk abt it.

All these nations may have interests in Cyprus. I appreciate that. But it isn't just donkeys that inhabit this island, insan, its human beings.

And they have interests too, OK? And their best interests, their human rights, are much more important to me, sorry. And they should be to you.

Let's be intellectually mature and noble enough to put the Cypriot people's interests first and then we'll look at what we can do for our neighbours, our friends, our co-religionists, the rest of the region and the rest of the world, OK?