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[David Carter]

Dear Mr Paphiti

I am not directly involved with the memorial, although I know many of those who are involved. I look forward to our direct contact. By the way, I never served in Cyprus or lost a relative there, but I appreciate your kind remarks.

Best wishes to you and yours
David

[miltiades]

Dear Mr. Paphitis

I would appreciate it very much if you would get in touch with me via my home e-mail address:

[email protected]

Your comments about the Memorial to British military personnel who served during the 1955-59 Cyprus Emergency are very interesting.

Regards
David

I wouldn't bother attempting to employ the services of Paphitis to promote your cause because although he can be very pleasing to your eyes with something like…

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:50 am
Cyprus should have paid her respect to the fallen 371 British service personnel a long time ago!

…he can also post something totally the opposite in the same thread, like this…

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:32 am
Cyprus should be pleased if all Brits stopped coming to Cyprus, because as a whole they are the most despicable, disgusting, vulgar, good for nothing cheap skates, scums of the earth, drunken louts that I have ever seen grace the gutters of Ayia Napa. Most of them are utter garbage.

The bottom line is that Paphitis changes his mind faster than he changes his underwear although there are rumors he doesn’t wear any…

Here is the unedited version of that post:

Tourism in Cyprus is not that important anymore. Even if all tourists stopped going to Cyprus it would not be the end of the world because it accounts for a very small portion of GDP. Cyprus should be pleased if all Brits stopped coming to Cyprus, because as a whole they are the most despicable, disgusting, vulgar, good for nothing cheap skates, scums of the earth, drunken louts that I have ever seen grace the gutters of Ayia Napa. Most of them are utter garbage.

That's the kind of Tourist Cyprus can do without.

In Australia, we would absolutely love to set up numerous concentration camps where we can detain, and torture British tourists, but alas Amnesty International would have a field day....

PS: I am not saying that ALL Brits are like what I have described above. A few of them are actually OK...

It's amazing how things appear in their real context.

My post is just a tongue and cheek dig and British tourists and I am sure that David Carter would not be offended as he too is probably disgusted with the behavior of some British tourists in Cyprus.

At least you are a consistent ..bullshitter mate !!

[Paphitis]

Dear Mr. Paphitis

I would appreciate it very much if you would get in touch with me via my home e-mail address:

[email protected]

Your comments about the Memorial to British military personnel who served during the 1955-59 Cyprus Emergency are very interesting.

Regards
David

I wouldn't bother attempting to employ the services of Paphitis to promote your cause because although he can be very pleasing to your eyes with something like…

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:50 am
Cyprus should have paid her respect to the fallen 371 British service personnel a long time ago!

…he can also post something totally the opposite in the same thread, like this…

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:32 am
Cyprus should be pleased if all Brits stopped coming to Cyprus, because as a whole they are the most despicable, disgusting, vulgar, good for nothing cheap skates, scums of the earth, drunken louts that I have ever seen grace the gutters of Ayia Napa. Most of them are utter garbage.

The bottom line is that Paphitis changes his mind faster than he changes his underwear although there are rumors he doesn’t wear any…

Here is the unedited version of that post:

Tourism in Cyprus is not that important anymore. Even if all tourists stopped going to Cyprus it would not be the end of the world because it accounts for a very small portion of GDP. Cyprus should be pleased if all Brits stopped coming to Cyprus, because as a whole they are the most despicable, disgusting, vulgar, good for nothing cheap skates, scums of the earth, drunken louts that I have ever seen grace the gutters of Ayia Napa. Most of them are utter garbage.

That's the kind of Tourist Cyprus can do without.

In Australia, we would absolutely love to set up numerous concentration camps where we can detain, and torture British tourists, but alas Amnesty International would have a field day....

PS: I am not saying that ALL Brits are like what I have described above. A few of them are actually OK...

It's amazing how things appear in their real context.

My post is just a tongue and cheek dig and British tourists and I am sure that David Carter would not be offended as he too is probably disgusted with the behavior of some British tourists in Cyprus.

At least you are a consistent ..bullshitter mate !!

Miltiades,

I suggest both you and GR! get serious for once because what I'm trying to achieve with Mr. David Carter is for the best interests of the RoC and the 371 fallen British soldiers.

And hopefully, in so doing, ALL British people can also provide respect to our fallen and not categorise them as "terrorists".

I really do hope both you and GR! refrain from discrediting these endeavors by seeing the importance in what we are trying to achieve here.

Dear Mr. Carter,

I have now emailed you and look forward to your reply.

Best regards to you and yours.

P

[miltiades]

Dear Mr. Paphitis

I would appreciate it very much if you would get in touch with me via my home e-mail address:

[email protected]

Your comments about the Memorial to British military personnel who served during the 1955-59 Cyprus Emergency are very interesting.

Regards
David

I wouldn't bother attempting to employ the services of Paphitis to promote your cause because although he can be very pleasing to your eyes with something like…

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:50 am
Cyprus should have paid her respect to the fallen 371 British service personnel a long time ago!

…he can also post something totally the opposite in the same thread, like this…

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:32 am
Cyprus should be pleased if all Brits stopped coming to Cyprus, because as a whole they are the most despicable, disgusting, vulgar, good for nothing cheap skates, scums of the earth, drunken louts that I have ever seen grace the gutters of Ayia Napa. Most of them are utter garbage.

The bottom line is that Paphitis changes his mind faster than he changes his underwear although there are rumors he doesn’t wear any…

Here is the unedited version of that post:

Tourism in Cyprus is not that important anymore. Even if all tourists stopped going to Cyprus it would not be the end of the world because it accounts for a very small portion of GDP. Cyprus should be pleased if all Brits stopped coming to Cyprus, because as a whole they are the most despicable, disgusting, vulgar, good for nothing cheap skates, scums of the earth, drunken louts that I have ever seen grace the gutters of Ayia Napa. Most of them are utter garbage.

That's the kind of Tourist Cyprus can do without.

In Australia, we would absolutely love to set up numerous concentration camps where we can detain, and torture British tourists, but alas Amnesty International would have a field day....

PS: I am not saying that ALL Brits are like what I have described above. A few of them are actually OK...

It's amazing how things appear in their real context.

My post is just a tongue and cheek dig and British tourists and I am sure that David Carter would not be offended as he too is probably disgusted with the behavior of some British tourists in Cyprus.

At least you are a consistent ..bullshitter mate !!

Miltiades,

I suggest both you and GR! get serious for once because what I'm trying to achieve with Mr. David Carter is for the best interests of the RoC and the 371 fallen British soldiers.

And hopefully, in so doing, ALL British people can also provide respect to our fallen and not categorise them as "terrorists".

I really do hope both you and GR! refrain from discrediting these endeavors by seeing the importance in what we are trying to achieve here.

Dear Mr. Carter,

I have now emailed you and look forward to your reply.

Best regards to you and yours.

P

I can only talk for myself not for GR .
The fallen British soldiers were carrying out their duty as soldiers in Cyprus sent by the British government to deal with , what the British saw , terrorists .
I have not the slightest amount of disrespect for a soldier carrying out his duties as per the wishes of his political masters.
As one who lived through the 1955-1959 struggle against the British occupying forces I can honestly say that the overwhelming majority of British army personnel behaved in a professional and civilized manner and some behaved in a manner that occupying troops tend to behave.
They lost their lives fighting for Britain's interests , and that is their duty as soldiers.
However the Cypriot people , such as my self , saw them as occupying troops , I understand that Britain was politically correct in protecting her interests in the M.East and that Cyprus was and still is of paramount importance to her strategic interests .

To suggest however that a memorial for the fallen British soldiers , one or two who had taken part in the AFXENTIOU cold blooded execution by barbecuing him or from those soldiers who in 1957 shot and killed a 20 year old , Panayioti Symeou in cold blood , I knew the guy , his younger brother was sat next to me at the Lanition Gymnasio when the news of his brother's killing was announced , it is a slap in the face.
My own father in law was a prisoner of war in Japan , my brother in law fought in Burma , I have nothing but admiration for the professionalism of the British soldier , but will never accept that I would welcome a memorial for those that in carrying out their duty lost their lives in Cyprus. Tact is a British invention , in this instance they have misjudged the Cypriot peoples feelings.
Are we to see a memorial enacted in Brittain for the fallen German pilots on British soil whilst executing their bombing expeditions in London during the 2nd WW ?
The British would NEVER accept that the Cypriots fighting for independence were anything other than terrorists , if you think they will then you dont know the Brits , remember I'm married to one , English through and through and very proud of it she is I may add.

[DT.]

How about we do this.

Boris, the mayor of London first puts up a memorial in London in honour of the 17 year old EOKA fighters that were executed with the Queen's blessings and then we'll do the same over here for the fallen Brits.

[Oracle]

For once I agree with Miltiades.

Paphitis your sentiments are misplaced.

A memorial to the "youths" who lost their lives upholding Colonialism in Cyprus, would be the equivalent of asking the Jews of Poland to erect a memorial to Hitler's youth, who were of course only doing their duty to send them to gas Chambers. Or equivalent to asking some west coast African country to erect a memorial to the slave traders who lost their lives upholding the ideology of Slavery!

These people who want this memorial are nothing but Colonialist Fascists who want a Memorial to Colonialism and NOT to any lost innocent lives ...

The RoC is 100% correct to refuse permission for glorifying Colonialism!

[Paphitis]

Dear Mr. Paphitis

I would appreciate it very much if you would get in touch with me via my home e-mail address:

[email protected]

Your comments about the Memorial to British military personnel who served during the 1955-59 Cyprus Emergency are very interesting.

Regards
David

I wouldn't bother attempting to employ the services of Paphitis to promote your cause because although he can be very pleasing to your eyes with something like…

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:50 am
Cyprus should have paid her respect to the fallen 371 British service personnel a long time ago!

…he can also post something totally the opposite in the same thread, like this…

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:32 am
Cyprus should be pleased if all Brits stopped coming to Cyprus, because as a whole they are the most despicable, disgusting, vulgar, good for nothing cheap skates, scums of the earth, drunken louts that I have ever seen grace the gutters of Ayia Napa. Most of them are utter garbage.

The bottom line is that Paphitis changes his mind faster than he changes his underwear although there are rumors he doesn’t wear any…

Here is the unedited version of that post:

Tourism in Cyprus is not that important anymore. Even if all tourists stopped going to Cyprus it would not be the end of the world because it accounts for a very small portion of GDP. Cyprus should be pleased if all Brits stopped coming to Cyprus, because as a whole they are the most despicable, disgusting, vulgar, good for nothing cheap skates, scums of the earth, drunken louts that I have ever seen grace the gutters of Ayia Napa. Most of them are utter garbage.

That's the kind of Tourist Cyprus can do without.

In Australia, we would absolutely love to set up numerous concentration camps where we can detain, and torture British tourists, but alas Amnesty International would have a field day....

PS: I am not saying that ALL Brits are like what I have described above. A few of them are actually OK...

It's amazing how things appear in their real context.

My post is just a tongue and cheek dig and British tourists and I am sure that David Carter would not be offended as he too is probably disgusted with the behavior of some British tourists in Cyprus.

At least you are a consistent ..bullshitter mate !!

Miltiades,

I suggest both you and GR! get serious for once because what I'm trying to achieve with Mr. David Carter is for the best interests of the RoC and the 371 fallen British soldiers.

And hopefully, in so doing, ALL British people can also provide respect to our fallen and not categorise them as "terrorists".

I really do hope both you and GR! refrain from discrediting these endeavors by seeing the importance in what we are trying to achieve here.

Dear Mr. Carter,

I have now emailed you and look forward to your reply.

Best regards to you and yours.

P

I can only talk for myself not for GR .
The fallen British soldiers were carrying out their duty as soldiers in Cyprus sent by the British government to deal with , what the British saw , terrorists .
I have not the slightest amount of disrespect for a soldier carrying out his duties as per the wishes of his political masters.
As one who lived through the 1955-1959 struggle against the British occupying forces I can honestly say that the overwhelming majority of British army personnel behaved in a professional and civilized manner and some behaved in a manner that occupying troops tend to behave.
They lost their lives fighting for Britain's interests , and that is their duty as soldiers.
However the Cypriot people , such as my self , saw them as occupying troops , I understand that Britain was politically correct in protecting her interests in the M.East and that Cyprus was and still is of paramount importance to her strategic interests .

To suggest however that a memorial for the fallen British soldiers , one or two who had taken part in the AFXENTIOU cold blooded execution by barbecuing him or from those soldiers who in 1957 shot and killed a 20 year old , Panayioti Symeou in cold blood , I knew the guy , his younger brother was sat next to me at the Lanition Gymnasio when the news of his brother's killing was announced , it is a slap in the face.
My own father in law was a prisoner of war in Japan , my brother in law fought in Burma , I have nothing but admiration for the professionalism of the British soldier , but will never accept that I would welcome a memorial for those that in carrying out their duty lost their lives in Cyprus. Tact is a British invention , in this instance they have misjudged the Cypriot peoples feelings.
Are we to see a memorial enacted in Brittain for the fallen German pilots on British soil whilst executing their bombing expeditions in London during the 2nd WW ?
The British would NEVER accept that the Cypriots fighting for independence were anything other than terrorists , if you think they will then you dont know the Brits , remember I'm married to one , English through and through and very proud of it she is I may add.

I understand where you are coming from.

Do you know if any of the 371 were involved in the Afxentiou barbecuing?

Nevertheless Miltiades, all this occurred over 50 years ago and whilst I totally understand that a British memorial may be a bit too much for your emotions due to what you may have experienced in the 50s, I do believe that if the British Memorial is removed from Kyrenia and replaced with a another memorial in unoccupied Cyprus which does not disrespect the Republic of Cyprus like the one in Kyrenia does, it will serve our interests as well as fulfill their need for a memorial.

It may also be very beneficial and assist both sides bury the hatchet and remove any lingering resentment.

There is nothing unusual about having War Memorials even to your former foes on your own soil. Many countries have done so including Turkey.

I really do think there is an opportunity here to turn this into a win win situation for everyone.

But at the same time I don't wish to hurt your feelings for what you went through in the 50s. You should be proud of your contribution to Cyprus and as for the way Afxentiou and others met their grizzly demise, I share your sentiment of disgust.

It may also be encouraging if our 2 sides came closer together and just see the 55-59 campaign for what it was. Cypriots trying to free themselves from British Colonial rule and not "terrorism". If this can be achieved then it will be amazing because Afxentiou will never again be called a "terrorist" by the British ever again. Nothing gets up my goat more than other people referring to EOKA freedom fighters as "terrorists".

[Paphitis]

For once I agree with Miltiades.

Paphitis your sentiments are misplaced.

A memorial to the "youths" who lost their lives upholding Colonialism in Cyprus, would be the equivalent of asking the Jews of Poland to erect a memorial to Hitler's youth, who were of course only doing their duty to send them to gas Chambers. Or equivalent to asking some west coast African country to erect a memorial to the slave traders who lost their lives upholding the ideology of Slavery!

These people who want this memorial are nothing but Colonialist Fascists who want a Memorial to Colonialism and NOT to any lost innocent lives ...

The RoC is 100% correct to refuse permission for glorifying Colonialism!

Such a memorial would not glorify colonialism..

It is just a War Memorial to fallen soldiers, nothing else.

If you guys don't see any benefit in removing that disgusting memorial in Kyrenia, then I don't know what to say....

[Paphitis]

How about we do this.

Boris, the mayor of London first puts up a memorial in London in honour of the 17 year old EOKA fighters that were executed with the Queen's blessings and then we'll do the same over here for the fallen Brits.

This too can be arranged....

[miltiades]

In spite of our past "conflict" with the Brits , and our continuing one with the thoughtless brainless purchasers of stolen properties , we still enjoy a close relation with Britain and still have much respect for the ordinary Brit.
Some 300 thousand Cypriots live in the UK , well integrated with society at large and respected for their industriousness and family values. Many of us have children and grandchildren with English and Cypriot blood in their veins , as far as I'm concerned , and I'm certain many more UK Cypriots feel the same way , Britain is my second country after Cyprus . Now then which team would I support if Stroumbi the Great played Manchester United , well STG of course , the finest football team in ..Stroumbi !