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Given the requirement of public accessibility, the old British cemetery in Kyrenia is a fitting site for a fixed memorial.

An illegally occupied territory, constituting a Base for over 40,000 Turkish troops fits your requirements for "public accessibility" now, BOF?

How about really making it easy for those visitng OAPs and siting it in back in the UK?

Taken together, the graves in the old British cemetery give added dignity to the memorial, a final chapter in a long story.

So why are the "Memorial" organisers hell-bent on throwing that "dignity" to the wind?

A remembrance of the dead
The memorial is in remembrance of the dead, not the now distant conflict which ended 50 years ago.

If it's a "remembrance" of the dead as people ... then I am sure their families have erected their own fitting memorials. By insisting on conducting this "Memorial", it is the politics that are remembered, and not the dead!

If it was the dead as people to be remembered, why was this not done 5 or 10 or 15 years after the events? ... That would have been more fitting than wait 50 years and then decide to go against the wishes of a government who is being held hostage by occupying forces, who are here because of the British.

Although the British cemetery in Kyrenia is in the Turkish-Cypriot North, and in a state not recognised as such by the world at large, it remains for all practical purposes British ground as it has been since the British arrived on the island in 1878.

That's crap!

However, after the reunification to which both sides of the island are committed, it may be that the memorial will be resited in the British military cemetery at Wayne's Keep, where the dead are buried and where it would naturally have been sited if that cemetery enjoyed public access.

If the intention is to move it to Wayne's Keep after re-unification, then why don't you site it in the UK, for now, and then move it as you "intend" to later ....

Relatively speaking, for the increased journey time to get to Kyrenia via legally recognised channels ..... wouldn't it be easier to continue with paying homage at Wayne's Keep .... for now?

[The Cypriot]

Given the requirement of public accessibility, the old British cemetery in Kyrenia is a fitting site for a fixed memorial.

An illegally occupied territory, constituting a Base for over 40,000 Turkish troops fits your requirements for "public accessibility" now, BOF?

How about really making it easy for those visitng OAPs and siting it in back in the UK?

Taken together, the graves in the old British cemetery give added dignity to the memorial, a final chapter in a long story.

So why are the "Memorial" organisers hell-bent on throwing that "dignity" to the wind?

A remembrance of the dead
The memorial is in remembrance of the dead, not the now distant conflict which ended 50 years ago.

If it's a "remembrance" of the dead as people ... then I am sure their families have erected their own fitting memorials. By insisting on conducting this "Memorial", it is the politics that are remembered, and not the dead!

If it was the dead as people to be remembered, why was this not done 5 or 10 or 15 years after the events? ... That would have been more fitting than wait 50 years and then decide to go against the wishes of a government who is being held hostage by occupying forces, who are here because of the British.

Although the British cemetery in Kyrenia is in the Turkish-Cypriot North, and in a state not recognised as such by the world at large, it remains for all practical purposes British ground as it has been since the British arrived on the island in 1878.

That's crap!

However, after the reunification to which both sides of the island are committed, it may be that the memorial will be resited in the British military cemetery at Wayne's Keep, where the dead are buried and where it would naturally have been sited if that cemetery enjoyed public access.

If the intention is to move it to Wayne's Keep after re-unification, then why don't you site it in the UK, for now, and then move it as you "intend" to later ....

Relatively speaking, for the increased journey time to get to Kyrenia via legally recognised channels ..... wouldn't it be easier to continue with paying homage at Wayne's Keep .... for now?

I've just had an idea.

If they wanted to place the memorial somewhere accessible to British people they could use the roundabout outside Southgate tube station as a site.

Situated in the British capital city, it remains, for all practical purposes, Cypriot ground, as it has been since the Cypriots (escaping poverty, conflict and war) first arrived on the island in the post war period.

[YFred]

Given the requirement of public accessibility, the old British cemetery in Kyrenia is a fitting site for a fixed memorial.

An illegally occupied territory, constituting a Base for over 40,000 Turkish troops fits your requirements for "public accessibility" now, BOF?

How about really making it easy for those visitng OAPs and siting it in back in the UK?

Taken together, the graves in the old British cemetery give added dignity to the memorial, a final chapter in a long story.

So why are the "Memorial" organisers hell-bent on throwing that "dignity" to the wind?

A remembrance of the dead
The memorial is in remembrance of the dead, not the now distant conflict which ended 50 years ago.

If it's a "remembrance" of the dead as people ... then I am sure their families have erected their own fitting memorials. By insisting on conducting this "Memorial", it is the politics that are remembered, and not the dead!

If it was the dead as people to be remembered, why was this not done 5 or 10 or 15 years after the events? ... That would have been more fitting than wait 50 years and then decide to go against the wishes of a government who is being held hostage by occupying forces, who are here because of the British.

Although the British cemetery in Kyrenia is in the Turkish-Cypriot North, and in a state not recognised as such by the world at large, it remains for all practical purposes British ground as it has been since the British arrived on the island in 1878.

That's crap!

However, after the reunification to which both sides of the island are committed, it may be that the memorial will be resited in the British military cemetery at Wayne's Keep, where the dead are buried and where it would naturally have been sited if that cemetery enjoyed public access.

If the intention is to move it to Wayne's Keep after re-unification, then why don't you site it in the UK, for now, and then move it as you "intend" to later ....

Relatively speaking, for the increased journey time to get to Kyrenia via legally recognised channels ..... wouldn't it be easier to continue with paying homage at Wayne's Keep .... for now?

I've just had an idea.

If they wanted to place the memorial somewhere accessible to British people they could use the roundabout outside Southgate tube station as a site.

Situated in the British capital city, it remains, for all practical purposes, Cypriot ground, as it has been since the Cypriots (escaping poverty, conflict and war) first arrived on the island in the post war period.

No, Turnpike Lane was always known as Little Nicosia.

[Bananiot]

Kifeas, I suggest we wait until we kick out the Turks first (soon now) and then turn against the British bases. After that we can give the Americans a lesson or two.

[Sotos]

we get 150 Russian tourists, but they make up for 300,000 British in terms of national revenue, since their average spending is almost twice that of the British.

Kifeas,
Please tell us that you have no ambitions to be minister for the economy or education

I think Kifeas would make an excellent Minister of Economics ,
of course he meant 150 thousand Rusians.
The problem is however the Brits amount to more than 60% of our tourists something like 1.5 million !
It would near impossible to replace the Brits .
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/afx/2009/04 ... 82433.html

According to Cystat http://www.mof.gov.cy/mof/cystat/statis ... enDocument in 2008 there were about 1.242.655 Tourists from UK and 180.926 from Russia. But remember that many of the Tourists from UK are actually Cypriots that come to Cyprus for holidays some of them more than once every year. But Kifeas is right that Russians spend twice than the British do. The British spend the least of all, 51.6 Euro per day. The Russians spend twice as much 103.4 euro. The ones who spend the most are the Israelis with 146 euro per day. And then they say that the Jews are stingy!

[The Cypriot]

I've just had an idea.

If they wanted to place the memorial somewhere accessible to British people they could use the roundabout outside Southgate tube station as a site.

Situated in the British capital city, it remains, for all practical purposes, Cypriot ground, as it has been since the Cypriots (escaping poverty, conflict and war) first arrived on the island in the post war period.

No, Turnpike Lane was always known as Little Nicosia.

You're right, and the Harringay ladder was Little Cyprus... problem is, if they were to put the memorial there the Kurds, Nigerians, Kenyans, Somalians, Eritreans, Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis who live there now won't see the irony.

[David Carter]

Dear Mr. Paphitis

I would appreciate it very much if you would get in touch with me via my home e-mail address:

[email protected]

Your comments about the Memorial to British military personnel who served during the 1955-59 Cyprus Emergency are very interesting.

Regards
David

[Get Real!]

Dear Mr. Paphitis

I would appreciate it very much if you would get in touch with me via my home e-mail address:

[email protected]

Your comments about the Memorial to British military personnel who served during the 1955-59 Cyprus Emergency are very interesting.

Regards
David

I wouldn't bother attempting to employ the services of Paphitis to promote your cause because although he can be very pleasing to your eyes with something like…

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:50 am
Cyprus should have paid her respect to the fallen 371 British service personnel a long time ago!

…he can also post something totally the opposite in the same thread, like this…

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:32 am
Cyprus should be pleased if all Brits stopped coming to Cyprus, because as a whole they are the most despicable, disgusting, vulgar, good for nothing cheap skates, scums of the earth, drunken louts that I have ever seen grace the gutters of Ayia Napa. Most of them are utter garbage.

The bottom line is that Paphitis changes his mind faster than he changes his underwear although there are rumors he doesn’t wear any…

[Paphitis]

Dear Mr. Paphitis

I would appreciate it very much if you would get in touch with me via my home e-mail address:

[email protected]

Your comments about the Memorial to British military personnel who served during the 1955-59 Cyprus Emergency are very interesting.

Regards
David

I wouldn't bother attempting to employ the services of Paphitis to promote your cause because although he can be very pleasing to your eyes with something like…

Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 10:50 am
Cyprus should have paid her respect to the fallen 371 British service personnel a long time ago!

…he can also post something totally the opposite in the same thread, like this…

Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 9:32 am
Cyprus should be pleased if all Brits stopped coming to Cyprus, because as a whole they are the most despicable, disgusting, vulgar, good for nothing cheap skates, scums of the earth, drunken louts that I have ever seen grace the gutters of Ayia Napa. Most of them are utter garbage.

The bottom line is that Paphitis changes his mind faster than he changes his underwear although there are rumors he doesn’t wear any…

Here is the unedited version of that post:

Tourism in Cyprus is not that important anymore. Even if all tourists stopped going to Cyprus it would not be the end of the world because it accounts for a very small portion of GDP. Cyprus should be pleased if all Brits stopped coming to Cyprus, because as a whole they are the most despicable, disgusting, vulgar, good for nothing cheap skates, scums of the earth, drunken louts that I have ever seen grace the gutters of Ayia Napa. Most of them are utter garbage.

That's the kind of Tourist Cyprus can do without.

In Australia, we would absolutely love to set up numerous concentration camps where we can detain, and torture British tourists, but alas Amnesty International would have a field day....

PS: I am not saying that ALL Brits are like what I have described above. A few of them are actually OK...

It's amazing how things appear in their real context.

My post is just a tongue and cheek dig and British tourists and I am sure that David Carter would not be offended as he too is probably disgusted with the behavior of some British tourists in Cyprus.

[Paphitis]

Dear Mr. Paphitis

I would appreciate it very much if you would get in touch with me via my home e-mail address:

[email protected]

Your comments about the Memorial to British military personnel who served during the 1955-59 Cyprus Emergency are very interesting.

Regards
David

Dear Mr. Carter,

I stand behind my posts because I honestly feel that the Cyprus Government should have taken the initiative and help build a proper, tasteful and fitting memorial to the fallen 371 British soldiers.

I do not believe that the memorial in occupied Cyprus is befitting your fallen and honestly believe that the honor of your fallen has been hijacked by the "Friends of Turkey" to further their agenda in upgrading the "trnc' and for vengeance against the Republic of Cyprus for the 55-59 self determination campaign.

I also feel that most Cypriots would support a proper memorial on Government Controlled land, as long as the memorial is done in a tasteful manner for the remembrance of your fallen and not as a reminder to the island's colonial past because this would just be disrespectful to our suffering at the time.

The memorial in occupied Cyprus leaves many Cypriots with a very bad taste in their mouth because they see this initiative as a spiteful anti Cyprus initiative against the Republic.

A lot of damage has been done.

But it is possible to rectify this sad state of affairs.

If you are involved with the memorial in occupied Cyprus, then I am willing to help you if you are of the opinion that this distasteful memorial should be pulled down and replaced with a proper and befitting memorial in the unoccupied areas. Such an initiative would serve both of us very well in finally burying the hatchet after 50 years. I could put you in contact with persons in Cyprus who are willing to assist you in this regard and even offer a Government Grant which would cover most if not all expenses.

If however, one of the fallen 371 British soldiers is a relation of yours, then you have my sympathy because your loved one has been hijacked, not for his remembrance, but to further other sinister agendas which has only put Cypriots offside.

I will email you in good faith and sincerely hope you are in a position to remove this disgraceful memorial, and I will assist you by putting you in contact with the legitimate authorities of the Republic of Cyprus who I am sure will see the value in assisting you in your endeavors and prevent the hijacking of the fallen 371 British soldiers due to spite and furthering sinister political agendas.

I too am ex service and do see the value of proper memorials and I honestly believe that most Cypriots are mature enough to respect the families of the fallen 371 and their need for a proper and befitting remembrance memorial.

I will email you soon and sincerely hope we can change things for the better.