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[Lit]

In my village alone (Gypsou) the EOKA thugs murdered 2 fine family men. One left 4 children and the other 5. The wife of one of the murdered emigrated to England soon afterwords in order to make ends meet. These were no collaborators of course. Their only sin, they were AKEL sympathysers, not even members.

Those that murdered them did so in the name of EOKA. They were plain murderers and in this instance EOKA acted just like all terrorists.

In this instance if thats what happened they you're right. How about the countless others that collaborated with the Brits, and were relocated to the UK for a new life? Their info led to the deaths of EOKA fighters. What were they?

Reading from the above I'd like to make a personal reflection on the matter. I have had two uncles ( one of which is my mothers uncle) that held high ranks within the TMT, both were area commanders that had trained in Turkey. Both were hitman which had killed god knows how many GC's and TC's.

I do believe that many people within the TMT were not as "patriotic" as we were led to believe. There were many rich TC businessman calling the shots in the TMT, all had their own political agenda's. My mother's uncle was constantly used to knock off people. In many instances the people he killed were of no threat to the TC community but a threat to the business interests of some among the TMT. When he learnt what was going on he to was killed by his "masters". My fathers brother also shared a similar fate being killed by UN soldiers in the 80's.

I would think similar events occurred within EOKA as well.

Much as we would like things to be balanced, it doesn't always follow that has to be the case.

Whereas TMT were set up as a countering, disruptive force with negative ambitions and freedom to destroy and confuse ...,. EOKA had a definite, defined positive end-role in mind, with a code of conduct to follow. As such, EOKA were structured and hence less likely to exercise as much wanton, opportunistic killings as an "organisation" like TMT.

Oracle what you define as "positive", I would define as "negative" in this instance. Both groups were secretive guerrilla forces, which are always far from perfect.

http://www.greece.org/cyprus/

On 12 June 1958 eight innocent unarmed Greek Cypriot civilians from Kondemenos village were murdered by T.M.T. terrorists near the Turkish Cypriot populated village of Geunyeli in an totally unprovoked attack, after being dropped off there by the British authorities. After this the Turkish government ordered the TMT to blow up the offices of the Turkish press office in Nicosia in order to falsely put the blame of the Greek Cypriots and prevent independence negotiations from succeeding. It also began a string of assassinations and murders of prominent Turkish Cypriot supporters of independence.

Not the same.

What were EOKA doing during the independence negotiations? Still fighting for "union and only union"?

They were fighting for independence from foreign rule and i am not concerned or care for the British troop quotes you mentioned in your comment. Am i clear?

[insan]

In my village alone (Gypsou) the EOKA thugs murdered 2 fine family men. One left 4 children and the other 5. The wife of one of the murdered emigrated to England soon afterwords in order to make ends meet. These were no collaborators of course. Their only sin, they were AKEL sympathysers, not even members.

Those that murdered them did so in the name of EOKA. They were plain murderers and in this instance EOKA acted just like all terrorists.

In this instance if thats what happened they you're right. How about the countless others that collaborated with the Brits, and were relocated to the UK for a new life? Their info led to the deaths of EOKA fighters. What were they?

Reading from the above I'd like to make a personal reflection on the matter. I have had two uncles ( one of which is my mothers uncle) that held high ranks within the TMT, both were area commanders that had trained in Turkey. Both were hitman which had killed god knows how many GC's and TC's.

I do believe that many people within the TMT were not as "patriotic" as we were led to believe. There were many rich TC businessman calling the shots in the TMT, all had their own political agenda's. My mother's uncle was constantly used to knock off people. In many instances the people he killed were of no threat to the TC community but a threat to the business interests of some among the TMT. When he learnt what was going on he to was killed by his "masters". My fathers brother also shared a similar fate being killed by UN soldiers in the 80's.

I would think similar events occurred within EOKA as well.

Much as we would like things to be balanced, it doesn't always follow that has to be the case.

Whereas TMT were set up as a countering, disruptive force with negative ambitions and freedom to destroy and confuse ...,. EOKA had a definite, defined positive end-role in mind, with a code of conduct to follow. As such, EOKA were structured and hence less likely to exercise as much wanton, opportunistic killings as an "organisation" like TMT.

Oracle what you define as "positive", I would define as "negative" in this instance. Both groups were secretive guerrilla forces, which are always far from perfect.

http://www.greece.org/cyprus/

On 12 June 1958 eight innocent unarmed Greek Cypriot civilians from Kondemenos village were murdered by T.M.T. terrorists near the Turkish Cypriot populated village of Geunyeli in an totally unprovoked attack, after being dropped off there by the British authorities. After this the Turkish government ordered the TMT to blow up the offices of the Turkish press office in Nicosia in order to falsely put the blame of the Greek Cypriots and prevent independence negotiations from succeeding. It also began a string of assassinations and murders of prominent Turkish Cypriot supporters of independence.

Not the same.

What were EOKA doing during the independence negotiations? Still fighting for "union and only union"?

They were fighting for independence from foreign rule and i am not concerned or care for the British troop quotes you mentioned in your comment. Am i clear?

Sure. "Union only union", not independence. Study your history well.

[Bananiot]

Lit is pretty much illiterate Miltiades. He can hardly comprehend what people write here. I wrote that rather than have today's dire situation, when we are faced with permanent partition, I would prefer another 100 years of British rule. I stand by this statement and Lit can shout as much as he likes. His fascism does not scare me.

There is no doubt that our problems started in 1955 when EOKA decided to liberate Cyprus with an armed struggle. That was the biginning of the end of Cyprus because it was a short sighted approach that did not take into consideration the military and socioeconomic conditions that prevailed then in our area. Greece told us not to make the mistake in no uncertain fashion but we never listened to anyone. Even EOKA members, with the benefit of hindsight, have come to the conclusion that the armed struggle was doomed from the beginning.

There is no doubt also that in certain cases EOKA acted just like a terrorist organisation, especially when targetting civilians. However, there were EOKA members, like Afxentiou, who were honourable and gave their lives to the cause, unlike the majority of its members who in 1959 jumped in like vultures to get a share of the spoils. Those that were left out, created EOKA B and tried to get their share in 1974. The EOKA members who managed to secure cushy and profitable government posts married the daughters of the Greek Cypriot bourgoisie and made up a fledgling ruling class that even today controls just about everything in our community.

[Lit]

In my village alone (Gypsou) the EOKA thugs murdered 2 fine family men. One left 4 children and the other 5. The wife of one of the murdered emigrated to England soon afterwords in order to make ends meet. These were no collaborators of course. Their only sin, they were AKEL sympathysers, not even members.

Those that murdered them did so in the name of EOKA. They were plain murderers and in this instance EOKA acted just like all terrorists.

In this instance if thats what happened they you're right. How about the countless others that collaborated with the Brits, and were relocated to the UK for a new life? Their info led to the deaths of EOKA fighters. What were they?

Reading from the above I'd like to make a personal reflection on the matter. I have had two uncles ( one of which is my mothers uncle) that held high ranks within the TMT, both were area commanders that had trained in Turkey. Both were hitman which had killed god knows how many GC's and TC's.

I do believe that many people within the TMT were not as "patriotic" as we were led to believe. There were many rich TC businessman calling the shots in the TMT, all had their own political agenda's. My mother's uncle was constantly used to knock off people. In many instances the people he killed were of no threat to the TC community but a threat to the business interests of some among the TMT. When he learnt what was going on he to was killed by his "masters". My fathers brother also shared a similar fate being killed by UN soldiers in the 80's.

I would think similar events occurred within EOKA as well.

Much as we would like things to be balanced, it doesn't always follow that has to be the case.

Whereas TMT were set up as a countering, disruptive force with negative ambitions and freedom to destroy and confuse ...,. EOKA had a definite, defined positive end-role in mind, with a code of conduct to follow. As such, EOKA were structured and hence less likely to exercise as much wanton, opportunistic killings as an "organisation" like TMT.

Oracle what you define as "positive", I would define as "negative" in this instance. Both groups were secretive guerrilla forces, which are always far from perfect.

http://www.greece.org/cyprus/

On 12 June 1958 eight innocent unarmed Greek Cypriot civilians from Kondemenos village were murdered by T.M.T. terrorists near the Turkish Cypriot populated village of Geunyeli in an totally unprovoked attack, after being dropped off there by the British authorities. After this the Turkish government ordered the TMT to blow up the offices of the Turkish press office in Nicosia in order to falsely put the blame of the Greek Cypriots and prevent independence negotiations from succeeding. It also began a string of assassinations and murders of prominent Turkish Cypriot supporters of independence.

Not the same.

What were EOKA doing during the independence negotiations? Still fighting for "union and only union"?

They were fighting for independence from foreign rule and i am not concerned or care for the British troop quotes you mentioned in your comment. Am i clear?

Sure. "Union only union", not independence. Study your history well.

I dont need your little pathetic feedback to know my history. Move it along now.

[miltiades]

In my village alone (Gypsou) the EOKA thugs .

Arent you the one that still believes Cyprus should till this day remain a British colony?

Fool, gone are the days when Brits knocked natives "into shape" and anglicized them.

You dont like it, you can go back to your home land England. You were a slave made to bow to a foreign Queen. Now why dont you thank my family who has given you freedom and liberty you filthy twit.

Why dont you try your insults on me Plonker , Bananiot is too much of a gentleman to deal with yobbos such as you. I'm not boy I will fucking tell you where to go you stupid Plonker .

Fine, are you of the mind that Cyprus should have to this very day remained a British Colony? Because if your not than STFU.

What do you have to say?

Cyprus had every right to demand and to fight for her independence from Britain just as ALL other colonies did . With hindsight we can safely say that our primary goal of ENOSIS was ill conceived , a struggle that involved all Cypriots fighting for a free and independent Cyprus would have had a far better chance of achieving the ultimate. A free and independent Cyprus where all citizens were part of the majority .

[Lit]

Lit is pretty much illiterate Miltiades. He can hardly comprehend what people write here. I wrote that rather than have today's dire situation, when we are faced with permanent partition, I would prefer another 100 years of British rule. I stand by this statement and Lit can shout as much as he likes. His fascism does not scare me.

Of course you stand by your comment. You believe that Cyprus should till this day be a British Colony. Throw the RoC out the window and give us the Queen, Bana Says.

There is no doubt that our problems started in 1955 when EOKA decided to liberate Cyprus with an armed struggle. That was end of Cyprus because it was a short sighted approach that did not take into consideration the military and socioeconomic conditions that prevailed then in our area.

Of course you believe this drivel you spineless coward. While men sacrificed for their country what did you do? You stuck your nose in air and looked down upon your fellow citizens who wished to be free from foreign rule. What a coward. I had a family member shot (good thing he survived) and here you are with that shnoz of yours in the air looking down upon those men that gave you your freedom. How despicable.

And I am not interested in your fairy tales. None of the members of my family were in EOKA-B. During the Inter communal violence, i had another uncle from Lemesos who was a Police officer that was shot and killed in cold blood. These are the true heroes and your nothing but a spineless coward. Who are you looking down upon old man? If you dont like it here, you can pack your bags and leave....its that simple.

[boulio]

enosis or indepenance was at the time a legitimate request either way you look at it.Saying that you would prefer british rule for a 100 years to the sitution you are in now is nonsense.Cyprus is under occupation of a third party yes or no bananoit?did turkey forcebly ethnically cleanse the north of its inhabitants yes or no Bananiot?do they maintain 40,000 illegal troops bananoit yes or no?were they not suppose to restore the republic bananoit yes or no?

Greece and The ROC may have made mistakes but please stop white washing turkeys faults and aggression when it comes to Cyprus.

[Oracle]

Lit is pretty much illiterate Miltiades. He can hardly comprehend what people write here. I wrote that rather than have today's dire situation, when we are faced with permanent partition, I would prefer another 100 years of British rule. I stand by this statement and Lit can shout as much as he likes. His fascism does not scare me.

There is no doubt that our problems started in 1955 when EOKA decided to liberate Cyprus with an armed struggle. That was the biginning of the end of Cyprus because it was a short sighted approach that did not take into consideration the military and socioeconomic conditions that prevailed then in our area. Greece told us not to make the mistake in no uncertain fashion but we never listened to anyone. Even EOKA members, with the benefit of hindsight, have come to the conclusion that the armed struggle was doomed from the beginning.

There is no doubt also that in certain cases EOKA acted just like a terrorist organisation, especially when targetting civilians. However, there were EOKA members, like Afxentiou, who were honourable and gave their lives to the cause, unlike the majority of its members who in 1959 jumped in like vultures to get a share of the spoils. Those that were left out, created EOKA B and tried to get their share in 1974. The EOKA members who managed to secure cushy and profitable government posts married the daughters of the Greek Cypriot bourgoisie and made up a fledgling ruling class that even today controls just about everything in our community.

Degrees of Freedom Bananiot, are not real Freedom!

... And you only praise Afxentiou, because he was horribly killed by your loves, the Brits! If all EOKA protagonists were killed this way, you may have turned out differently!

Nothing you say moves us forward. You are a recalcitrant dinosaur relic of pro-Turkish, pro-British and Anti-Greek pussyfooting ...

[YFred]

Lit is pretty much illiterate Miltiades. He can hardly comprehend what people write here. I wrote that rather than have today's dire situation, when we are faced with permanent partition, I would prefer another 100 years of British rule. I stand by this statement and Lit can shout as much as he likes. His fascism does not scare me.

There is no doubt that our problems started in 1955 when EOKA decided to liberate Cyprus with an armed struggle. That was the biginning of the end of Cyprus because it was a short sighted approach that did not take into consideration the military and socioeconomic conditions that prevailed then in our area. Greece told us not to make the mistake in no uncertain fashion but we never listened to anyone. Even EOKA members, with the benefit of hindsight, have come to the conclusion that the armed struggle was doomed from the beginning.

There is no doubt also that in certain cases EOKA acted just like a terrorist organisation, especially when targetting civilians. However, there were EOKA members, like Afxentiou, who were honourable and gave their lives to the cause, unlike the majority of its members who in 1959 jumped in like vultures to get a share of the spoils. Those that were left out, created EOKA B and tried to get their share in 1974. The EOKA members who managed to secure cushy and profitable government posts married the daughters of the Greek Cypriot bourgoisie and made up a fledgling ruling class that even today controls just about everything in our community.

Thats very interesting because the same happend in the North. TMT got all the best jobs and all the looting to be had in 1963 and then again in 1974. Will Cypriots ever wake up.

[Lit]

In my village alone (Gypsou) the EOKA thugs .

Arent you the one that still believes Cyprus should till this day remain a British colony?

Fool, gone are the days when Brits knocked natives "into shape" and anglicized them.

You dont like it, you can go back to your home land England. You were a slave made to bow to a foreign Queen. Now why dont you thank my family who has given you freedom and liberty you filthy twit.

Why dont you try your insults on me Plonker , Bananiot is too much of a gentleman to deal with yobbos such as you. I'm not boy I will fucking tell you where to go you stupid Plonker .

Fine, are you of the mind that Cyprus should have to this very day remained a British Colony? Because if your not than STFU.

What do you have to say?

Cyprus had every right to demand and to fight for her independence from Britain just as ALL other colonies did . With hindsight we can safely say that our primary goal of ENOSIS was ill conceived , a struggle that involved all Cypriots fighting for a free and independent Cyprus would have had a far better chance of achieving the ultimate. A free and independent Cyprus where all citizens were part of the majority .

Milti, I know that you want to stick up for your fellow British Cypriot. But i asked you a simple question. You didnt answer me. That tells me that you do not believe that the RoC should be a British Colony and a lot of Brits do not wish it either. So, why is this so called Cypriot, Bana, acting more British than a Brit?