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[Oracle]

In my village alone (Gypsou) the EOKA thugs murdered 2 fine family men. One left 4 children and the other 5. The wife of one of the murdered emigrated to England soon afterwords in order to make ends meet. These were no collaborators of course. Their only sin, they were AKEL sympathysers, not even members.

Those that murdered them did so in the name of EOKA. They were plain murderers and in this instance EOKA acted just like all terrorists.

In this instance if thats what happened they you're right. How about the countless others that collaborated with the Brits, and were relocated to the UK for a new life? Their info led to the deaths of EOKA fighters. What were they?

Reading from the above I'd like to make a personal reflection on the matter. I have had two uncles ( one of which is my mothers uncle) that held high ranks within the TMT, both were area commanders that had trained in Turkey. Both were hitman which had killed god knows how many GC's and TC's.

I do believe that many people within the TMT were not as "patriotic" as we were led to believe. There were many rich TC businessman calling the shots in the TMT, all had their own political agenda's. My mother's uncle was constantly used to knock off people. In many instances the people he killed were of no threat to the TC community but a threat to the business interests of some among the TMT. When he learnt what was going on he to was killed by his "masters". My fathers brother also shared a similar fate being killed by UN soldiers in the 80's.

I would think similar events occurred within EOKA as well.

Much as we would like things to be balanced, it doesn't always follow that has to be the case.

Whereas TMT were set up as a countering, disruptive force with negative ambitions and freedom to destroy and confuse ...,. EOKA had a definite, defined positive end-role in mind, with a code of conduct to follow. As such, EOKA were structured and hence less likely to exercise as much wanton, opportunistic killings as an "organisation" like TMT.

Oracle what you define as "positive", I would define as "negative" in this instance. Both groups were secretive guerrilla forces, which are always far from perfect.

TMT and EOKA were hugely different, umit and you cannot gain any credibility for the actions of TMT by trying to label them with the same terminology. EOKA were not secretive in the way TMT were. EOKA had an open, noble aim which was to free an enslaved nation.

TMT were a disruptive axis of evil serving no worthwhile or desirable, national purpose.

[insan]

In my village alone (Gypsou) the EOKA thugs murdered 2 fine family men. One left 4 children and the other 5. The wife of one of the murdered emigrated to England soon afterwords in order to make ends meet. These were no collaborators of course. Their only sin, they were AKEL sympathysers, not even members.

Those that murdered them did so in the name of EOKA. They were plain murderers and in this instance EOKA acted just like all terrorists.

In this instance if thats what happened they you're right. How about the countless others that collaborated with the Brits, and were relocated to the UK for a new life? Their info led to the deaths of EOKA fighters. What were they?

Reading from the above I'd like to make a personal reflection on the matter. I have had two uncles ( one of which is my mothers uncle) that held high ranks within the TMT, both were area commanders that had trained in Turkey. Both were hitman which had killed god knows how many GC's and TC's.

I do believe that many people within the TMT were not as "patriotic" as we were led to believe. There were many rich TC businessman calling the shots in the TMT, all had their own political agenda's. My mother's uncle was constantly used to knock off people. In many instances the people he killed were of no threat to the TC community but a threat to the business interests of some among the TMT. When he learnt what was going on he to was killed by his "masters". My fathers brother also shared a similar fate being killed by UN soldiers in the 80's.

I would think similar events occurred within EOKA as well.

Much as we would like things to be balanced, it doesn't always follow that has to be the case.

Whereas TMT were set up as a countering, disruptive force with negative ambitions and freedom to destroy and confuse ...,. EOKA had a definite, defined positive end-role in mind, with a code of conduct to follow. As such, EOKA were structured and hence less likely to exercise as much wanton, opportunistic killings as an "organisation" like TMT.

Oracle what you define as "positive", I would define as "negative" in this instance. Both groups were secretive guerrilla forces, which are always far from perfect.

TMT and EOKA were hugely different, umit and you cannot gain any credibility for the actions of TMT by trying to label them with the same terminology. EOKA were not secretive in the way TMT were. EOKA had an open, noble aim which was to free an enslaved nation.

TMT were a disruptive axis of evil serving no worthwhile or desirable, national purpose.

Greek-GC leftists and TCs r not agree with u.


The Struggle of the Greek Communists against Revisionism

The Tashkent events


At the end of August 1949, after a three-and-a-half-year armed struggle against the Greek monarchist-fascist reaction and the Anglo-American imperialism, following a decision by the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Greece (KKE), the partisans of the Democratic Army of Greece (DA) left behind their homeland and retreated to Albania. It was a mass exodus. In 1949-50, an overall number of 55,381 people (of which 67.6% were adults 18-55 years old, 1.7% were very old and 17,352 were children up to 17 years) abandoned Greece and settled in the various People’s Republics and the Soviet Union. Almost 18,000 communist refugees went to Tashkent, the capital of the SSR of Uzbekistan where they were organised in separate residential quarters called Politeies.

[b]The persecutions of the Greek communists[/b]


The great majority of the Greek communists under the leadership of Nikos Zachariades not only rejected but they were the first ones in the communist movement to put up a strong resistance against the decisions of the 20th Congress and the 6th Plenum already in 1956 - the rejection of revisionism by Mao Zedong and Enver Hoxha was expressed four years later, in the summit of Communist parties in 1960. More importantly, in the difficult period that followed the 20th Congress the struggle of the Greek communists against Greek and Soviet revisionism continued taking various forms. In 1958, 6,000 communists of Tashkent wrote a letter to the CC of the Communist Parties of the Soviet Union, of China, Italy, France, Bulgaria, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Romania, Vietnam, Cuba, Korea and Albania concerning the situation in KKE. In the first page of this letter the following is mentioned: ‘Today’s CC of KKE is not the leadership that led the revolutionary struggles of our people. This is because: 1) the rise of this leadership is the result of a political provocation against KKE on 9.9.1955 in one of its largest organisations, the Party Organisation of Tashkent and, subsequently, of the arbitrary convention and decision of the 6th Plenum in 1956; 2) this leadership’s policy is the revision of the revolutionary line KKE had before the 6th Plenum, it is the revision of the Marxist-Leninist theory; 3) it follows an opportunist line which deviates from the Marxist Leninist principles; 4) by pursuing its opportunist policy, it weakens struggle of our people and aims at subordinating our movement to the interests of the Greek bourgeois class.’

http://www.revolutionarydemocracy.org/rdv14n2/greek.htm[/quote]

[The Cypriot]

ENOSIS WAS THE ULTIMATE GOAL , THERE IS NO VALID ARGUMENT AGAINST THIS.

And none given by me – so I don't know what you're all getting so uppity about.

I never suggested that my dear compatriot , you and I are of the same opinion on practically everything that is of benefit to our island and our future Cypriot generations ,, G/Cs , T/Cs and all other Cypriots .

Thanks, milti.

I'm also certain that you will agree that those who are undermining our Cyprus for the benefit of a foreign country are not Cypriots but bloody foreigners !!

I'd go further. They are traitors.

[DT.]

You're a big boy and I'm sure you don't need anyone's help to deal with Paphitis.

Thanks.

All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. And I'm not prepared to do nothing.

Quoting "Edmund Burke" are we . I used to have that as my signature.

I wouldn't label Paphitis as evil, the worse I'd give him is an arrogant Ozzie that has a tendency to lok down on the Cypriots. A vice of which I am planning to correct with a round of good old fashioned CYTO (cyprus topouzi) after consuming a large amount of zivana with him to numb the pain.

[The Cypriot]

I wouldn't label Paphitis as evil, the worse I'd give him is an arrogant Ozzie that has a tendency to lok down on the Cypriots. A vice of which I am planning to correct with a round of good old fashioned CYTO (cyprus topouzi) after consuming a large amount of zivana with him to numb the pain.

Knock him dead for me will you, DT?

[The Cypriot]

In a report by the International Crisis Group, quoted from an article in the Cyprus Weekly

http://www.cyprusweekly.com.cy/default. ... 6&heading=

in the event that another settlement plan is rejected in referenda
"the two communities could then be granted the option of separate self-determination by the international community."

Bear in mind that according to the United Nations Resolution from which I quoted above, the right of self-determination may be implemented by means of

"the free association or integration with an independent State."

In other words, the recognition of two separate rights of self-determination brings with it the danger of annexation of the north of Cyprus to Turkey, especially given that in another decade or two there will no longer exist an identifiable Turkish Cypriot community on the island, but rather a community largely composed of migrants from Turkey and their descendants. This is a danger that cannot be ignored.

I was intrigued by this post Tim (but was sidelined and had to discipline an unruly schoolboy that really oughtn't to be polluting this part of the CF with his mindless stupidity).

However, please can you shed light on the above if you can.

As I understand it, after the failed Annan Plan, the island of Cyprus, as a whole, acceded to the European Union, with the acquis communautaire suspended for areas under the control of Turkey's military – until such time as such forces are removed and the government of Cyprus (or its successor) has effective control again.

I can't see therefore how this area can be annexed by Turkey when it is already EU territory. And I can't see how any EU country, or any EU ally could ever recognise such an annexation.

[Oracle]

I wouldn't label Paphitis as evil, the worse I'd give him is an arrogant Ozzie that has a tendency to lok down on the Cypriots. A vice of which I am planning to correct with a round of good old fashioned CYTO (cyprus topouzi) after consuming a large amount of zivana with him to numb the pain.

Knock him dead for me will you, DT?

Yup ... give him a big kiss from me too!

[miltiades]

In my village alone (Gypsou) the EOKA thugs .

Arent you the one that still believes Cyprus should till this day remain a British colony?

Fool, gone are the days when Brits knocked natives "into shape" and anglicized them.

You dont like it, you can go back to your home land England. You were a slave made to bow to a foreign Queen. Now why dont you thank my family who has given you freedom and liberty you filthy twit.

Why dont you try your insults on me Plonker , Bananiot is too much of a gentleman to deal with yobbos such as you. I'm not boy I will fucking tell you where to go you stupid Plonker .

[Lit]

In my village alone (Gypsou) the EOKA thugs .

Arent you the one that still believes Cyprus should till this day remain a British colony?

Fool, gone are the days when Brits knocked natives "into shape" and anglicized them.

You dont like it, you can go back to your home land England. You were a slave made to bow to a foreign Queen. Now why dont you thank my family who has given you freedom and liberty you filthy twit.

Why dont you try your insults on me Plonker , Bananiot is too much of a gentleman to deal with yobbos such as you. I'm not boy I will fucking tell you where to go you stupid Plonker .

Fine, are you of the mind that Cyprus should have to this very day remained a British Colony? Because if your not than STFU.

What do you have to say?

[denizaksulu]

I wouldn't label Paphitis as evil, the worse I'd give him is an arrogant Ozzie that has a tendency to lok down on the Cypriots. A vice of which I am planning to correct with a round of good old fashioned CYTO (cyprus topouzi) after consuming a large amount of zivana with him to numb the pain.

Knock him dead for me will you, DT?

Yup ... give him a big kiss from me too!