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Boycott "The Telegraph" Newspaper? What more?

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Postby Oracle » Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:05 pm

Paphitis

I am not naive to the fact that the worst of tyrants can ingratiate themselves with fine words :lol: ....

But leaving aside your "romantic" vision of the war-dead and the need to glorify Man's tasks to find some justification, also avoiding, for now, playing terminology games with their use of the word "terrorist" ... This is the wrong time, and in the wrong place and probably for the wrong reasons, to seek funding for such a "Memorial" :roll:

I have no doubt factors in the occupied north are behind such blatant encouragement, and as such I feel any "young soldiers who died for their country" are being sabotaged (more so than usual).

This isn't about a Memorial to those young soldiers. This is about some Brits and Turks, once again, taking advantage of Cyprus' weakened state, i.e. faced with an ongoing Turkish occupation, and going against the will and desire of the RoC, to erect this memorial in Kyrenia where our government does not have effective control.

Besides, I prefer this:

The Soldier
Rupert Brooke

If I should die, think only this of me:
That there's some corner of a foreign field
That is forever England. There shall be
In that rich earth a richer dust concealed;
A dust whom England bore, shaped, made aware,
Gave, once, her flowers to love, her ways to roam;
A body of England's, breathing English air,
Washed by the rivers, blest by suns of home.
And think, this heart, all evil shed away,
A pulse in the eternal mind, no less
Gives somewhere back the thoughts by England given;
Her sights and sounds; dreams happy as her day;
And laughter, learnt of friends; and gentleness,
In hearts at peace, under an English heaven.
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Re: Boycott "The Telegraph" Newspaper? What more?

Postby Oracle » Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:14 pm

The Cypriot wrote:
Oracle wrote:For some inexplicable reason, the British sense of decorum has become displaced!

Encouraged by the trouble-making Turk-TCs, instead of seeking to help end our present occupation, they instead deem it more important to pay some "tribute" to the Colonialist Forces, upon ethnically cleansed, racially segregated land, in the still-occupied territories of Cyprus.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/pers ... -land.html

Come on Brits! :roll: Surely you are more sensitive than this?

What steps should we take to help them see sense?



If you can be bothered, note the following:

"Wayne's Keep Military Cemetery, near Nicosia, is the last resting place of the soldiers, sailors and airmen murdered by Greek-Cypriot terrorists during four years of bloodshed which ended in April 1959."

This, potentially, is in breach of the UK Public Order Act as it has labeled Cypriots conducting an armed struggle against colonial rule as 'murderers' and 'terrorists' which could incite hatred towards UK Cypriots. But it's extremely tenuous and the police are unlikely to show any interest. The most you could expect is for a local MP, perhaps with Cypriots in their constituency, to write a letter to the Telegraph expressing dismay. If that MP is a Tory then there may be an expression of contrition but I wouldn't hold your breath.

Another avenue is to issue a complaint with the UK Press Complaints Commission (PCC), as the label 'terrorist' could potentially be in breach of their Code of Conduct, under the accuracy clause. Note however, the PCC is a self-regulatory body with blunt teeth. Their Code is designed to protect individuals rather than communities or groups of people, and exists to prevent newspapers from incurring huge costs defending libel cases.

As miltiadis says, The "Torygraph" is notorious for its anti-Cyprus stance.


It's in the hands of my local MP .... will let you know what he advises to do!

Certainly anyone wishing to contribute to such a fund should be informed of the deliberately ignored wishes of the legitimate and fellow EU member government, the RoC, and instead liaise with a Middle-Eastern belligerent occupying Islamic force like Turkey! Not Torygraph-readership friendly sales pitch! :wink:
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:20 pm

They haven’t published my realistic response from yesterday… I wonder why? :?

It must've been something I said... :lol:
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Postby The Cypriot » Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:36 pm

Get Real! wrote:They haven’t published my realistic response from yesterday… I wonder why? :?

It must've been something I said... :lol:


I'd love to read it GR! Couldn't you reproduce it here...? if only to make us feel better.
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:44 pm

The Cypriot wrote:
Get Real! wrote:They haven’t published my realistic response from yesterday… I wonder why? :?

It must've been something I said... :lol:


I'd love to read it GR! Couldn't you reproduce it here...? if only to make us feel better.

It went something like this... :)

What on earth were British soldiers doing so far away from home if not to impose their will on others? So is this a “Remnants of British Imperialism” memorial?

...but I don't think they liked it! :(
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Postby insan » Tue Apr 21, 2009 2:57 pm

Relativity... even in GC community one group's heroes r other's traitors and assassins.
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Postby The Cypriot » Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:04 pm

insan wrote:Relativity... even in GC community one group's heroes r other's traitors and assassins.


It is the victor that writes the history, insan.

So after France was finally liberated from the Nazi empire brave members of the French resistance movement were known forever more as 'freedom fighters' rather then 'terrorists' or 'traitors' or 'assassins'. (Except perhaps in neo-Nazi publications). Those who sided with the oppressors were deemed collaborators.

After Cyprus was finally liberated from the British empire brave members of the Cypriot resistance movement were known forever more as 'freedom fighters' rather than 'terrorists' or 'traitors' or 'assassins'. (Except perhaps in publications like the Torygraph). Those who sided with the oppressors were deemed collaborators.

When the north is finally liberated from The Neo-Ottoman empire, brave members of the growing Cypriot resistance movements there will also be known as 'freedom fighters'. At the moment, as you know, they are known as 'traitors' and no one stands up for them, not even so-called TC 'human rights' groups like Embargoed!

The question is, insan, what will you be known as? A 'freedom fighter' or a 'traitor'? A 'hero' or a 'collaborator'?
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Postby insan » Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:19 pm

The Cypriot wrote:
insan wrote:Relativity... even in GC community one group's heroes r other's traitors and assassins.


It is the victor that writes the history, insan.

So after France was finally liberated from the Nazi empire brave members of the French resistance movement were known forever more as 'freedom fighters' rather then 'terrorists' or 'traitors' or 'assassins'. (Except perhaps in neo-Nazi publications). Those who sided with the oppressors were deemed collaborators.

After Cyprus was finally liberated from the British empire brave members of the Cypriot resistance movement were known forever more as 'freedom fighters' rather than 'terrorists' or 'traitors' or 'assassins'. (Except perhaps in publications like the Torygraph). Those who sided with the oppressors were deemed collaborators.

When the north is finally liberated from The Neo-Ottoman empire, brave members of the growing Cypriot resistance movements there will also be known as 'freedom fighters'. At the moment, as you know, they are known as 'traitors' and no one stands up for them, not even so-called TC 'human rights' groups like Embargoed!

The question is, insan, what will you be known as? A 'freedom fighter' or a 'traitor'? A 'hero' or a 'collaborator'?


Hmmm.. u reckon, it is as simple as that... When it comes to their very high valued national interests, they would stand up for "them" no matter whether relatively they are "taritors", "assassins" or "freedom fighters". U still can't get rid of ur bias that would make u able to look from a non-ideological, non-national perspective.

Have u lately read anything about Russian-Turkish and Turkish-Chinese relations and how things develop in direction of their mutual, national interests?

And it doesn't matter how i would relatively be known by others. Is it important?
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Postby The Cypriot » Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:48 pm

insan wrote:
Have u lately read anything about Russian-Turkish and Turkish-Chinese relations and how things develop in direction of their mutual, national interests?


If we're talking about Turkey's "national interest" it's certainly not to remain in Cyprus, tying up 40,000 troops, bankrolling a failed economy, putting the kibosh on its EU aspirations. It's not in Turkey's "national interest" to keep denying what the Ottomans did to the Armenians. Far better to show contrition, like that economic powerhouse Germany has done over the Holocaust. (Where loads of Turks go as guestarbiter). This isn't "National Interest", it's misguided "national pride".

In most countries when people clink their glasses they drink to 'health'. In Turkey they drink to 'honour'. (Şerefe!) Says it all doesn't it?


But enlighten me, insan. Are the Turks scheming with those dastardly Russians and Chinese so that they can hang on to a tiny slither of land in the eastern Med? To prevent the long-suffering Cypriots from reuniting their island? Is poor little Cyprus really so important to them?

insan wrote: And it doesn't matter how i would relatively be known by others. Is it important?


I'd quite like to know whose side you're really on.
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Postby Jerry » Tue Apr 21, 2009 5:07 pm

Are the Turks scheming with those dastardly Russians and Chinese so that they can hang on to a tiny slither of land in the eastern Med?



They are worried about protecting their southern flank from an invasion by Greek Cypriots - I thought everyone knew that!
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