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Postby denizaksulu » Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:04 pm

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Bananiot wrote:In my village alone (Gypsou) the EOKA thugs murdered 2 fine family men. One left 4 children and the other 5. The wife of one of the murdered emigrated to England soon afterwords in order to make ends meet. These were no collaborators of course. Their only sin, they were AKEL sympathysers, not even members.

Those that murdered them did so in the name of EOKA. They were plain murderers and in this instance EOKA acted just like all terrorists.


Bananiot, can you remind me whether you had any T/cs in Gypsu before 1974?


No, Gypsou had no TC's there, My Great-Grandparents moved there after 74. The village is now occupied by TC's from Vuda ( Kalohorio) a village near Larnaca.


Tks.and how T/cs calling the village today?



Gypsou = Akova
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Postby EPSILON » Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:09 pm

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Bananiot wrote:In my village alone (Gypsou) the EOKA thugs murdered 2 fine family men. One left 4 children and the other 5. The wife of one of the murdered emigrated to England soon afterwords in order to make ends meet. These were no collaborators of course. Their only sin, they were AKEL sympathysers, not even members.

Those that murdered them did so in the name of EOKA. They were plain murderers and in this instance EOKA acted just like all terrorists.


Bananiot, can you remind me whether you had any T/cs in Gypsu before 1974?


No, Gypsou had no TC's there, My Great-Grandparents moved there after 74. The village is now occupied by TC's from Vuda ( Kalohorio) a village near Larnaca.


Tks.and how T/cs calling the village today?



Gypsou = Akova


Is Akova means something?
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Postby umit07 » Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:13 pm

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Bananiot wrote:In my village alone (Gypsou) the EOKA thugs murdered 2 fine family men. One left 4 children and the other 5. The wife of one of the murdered emigrated to England soon afterwords in order to make ends meet. These were no collaborators of course. Their only sin, they were AKEL sympathysers, not even members.

Those that murdered them did so in the name of EOKA. They were plain murderers and in this instance EOKA acted just like all terrorists.


In this instance if thats what happened they you're right. How about the countless others that collaborated with the Brits, and were relocated to the UK for a new life? Their info led to the deaths of EOKA fighters. What were they?


Reading from the above I'd like to make a personal reflection on the matter. I have had two uncles ( one of which is my mothers uncle) that held high ranks within the TMT, both were area commanders that had trained in Turkey. Both were hitman which had killed god knows how many GC's and TC's.

I do believe that many people within the TMT were not as "patriotic" as we were led to believe. There were many rich TC businessman calling the shots in the TMT, all had their own political agenda's. My mother's uncle was constantly used to knock off people. In many instances the people he killed were of no threat to the TC community but a threat to the business interests of some among the TMT. When he learnt what was going on he to was killed by his "masters". My fathers brother also shared a similar fate being killed by UN soldiers in the 80's.

I would think similar events occurred within EOKA as well.
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Postby EPSILON » Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:15 pm

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Bananiot wrote:In my village alone (Gypsou) the EOKA thugs murdered 2 fine family men. One left 4 children and the other 5. The wife of one of the murdered emigrated to England soon afterwords in order to make ends meet. These were no collaborators of course. Their only sin, they were AKEL sympathysers, not even members.

Those that murdered them did so in the name of EOKA. They were plain murderers and in this instance EOKA acted just like all terrorists.


In this instance if thats what happened they you're right. How about the countless others that collaborated with the Brits, and were relocated to the UK for a new life? Their info led to the deaths of EOKA fighters. What were they?


Reading from the above I'd like to make a personal reflection on the matter. I have had two uncles ( one of which is my mothers uncle) that held high ranks within the TMT, both were area commanders that had trained in Turkey. Both were hitman which had killed god knows how many GC's and TC's.

I do believe that many people within the TMT were not as "patriotic" as we were led to believe. There were many rich TC businessman calling the shots in the TMT, all had their own political agenda's. My mother's uncle was constantly used to knock off people. In many instances the people he killed were of no threat to the TC community but a threat to the business interests of some among the TMT. When he learnt what was going on he to was killed by his "masters". My fathers brother also shared a similar fate being killed by UN soldiers in the 80's.

I would think similar events occurred within EOKA as well.


TMT can not be compared with EOKA but only with EOKA B.
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Postby denizaksulu » Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:17 pm

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Bananiot wrote:In my village alone (Gypsou) the EOKA thugs murdered 2 fine family men. One left 4 children and the other 5. The wife of one of the murdered emigrated to England soon afterwords in order to make ends meet. These were no collaborators of course. Their only sin, they were AKEL sympathysers, not even members.

Those that murdered them did so in the name of EOKA. They were plain murderers and in this instance EOKA acted just like all terrorists.


Bananiot, can you remind me whether you had any T/cs in Gypsu before 1974?


No, Gypsou had no TC's there, My Great-Grandparents moved there after 74. The village is now occupied by TC's from Vuda ( Kalohorio) a village near Larnaca.


Tks.and how T/cs calling the village today?



Gypsou = Akova


Is Akova means something?



= white plains. Like the white chalk hills near Aradippou.
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Postby umit07 » Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:22 pm

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Bananiot wrote:In my village alone (Gypsou) the EOKA thugs murdered 2 fine family men. One left 4 children and the other 5. The wife of one of the murdered emigrated to England soon afterwords in order to make ends meet. These were no collaborators of course. Their only sin, they were AKEL sympathysers, not even members.

Those that murdered them did so in the name of EOKA. They were plain murderers and in this instance EOKA acted just like all terrorists.


In this instance if thats what happened they you're right. How about the countless others that collaborated with the Brits, and were relocated to the UK for a new life? Their info led to the deaths of EOKA fighters. What were they?


Reading from the above I'd like to make a personal reflection on the matter. I have had two uncles ( one of which is my mothers uncle) that held high ranks within the TMT, both were area commanders that had trained in Turkey. Both were hitman which had killed god knows how many GC's and TC's.

I do believe that many people within the TMT were not as "patriotic" as we were led to believe. There were many rich TC businessman calling the shots in the TMT, all had their own political agenda's. My mother's uncle was constantly used to knock off people. In many instances the people he killed were of no threat to the TC community but a threat to the business interests of some among the TMT. When he learnt what was going on he to was killed by his "masters". My fathers brother also shared a similar fate being killed by UN soldiers in the 80's.

I would think similar events occurred within EOKA as well.


TMT can not be compared with EOKA but only with EOKA B.


Why not? They were all fighting for the same cause. The "EOKA cause" was still very much alive even after independence. Even Makarios publicly said that "independence was a stepping stone".
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Postby denizaksulu » Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:27 pm

The name Gypsou obviously is where the chemical Gypsum (Calcium sulphate) derives its name from. The soil around there must be strata containing Gypsum. I need to locate the place.
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Postby Oracle » Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:42 pm

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Bananiot wrote:In my village alone (Gypsou) the EOKA thugs murdered 2 fine family men. One left 4 children and the other 5. The wife of one of the murdered emigrated to England soon afterwords in order to make ends meet. These were no collaborators of course. Their only sin, they were AKEL sympathysers, not even members.

Those that murdered them did so in the name of EOKA. They were plain murderers and in this instance EOKA acted just like all terrorists.


In this instance if thats what happened they you're right. How about the countless others that collaborated with the Brits, and were relocated to the UK for a new life? Their info led to the deaths of EOKA fighters. What were they?


Reading from the above I'd like to make a personal reflection on the matter. I have had two uncles ( one of which is my mothers uncle) that held high ranks within the TMT, both were area commanders that had trained in Turkey. Both were hitman which had killed god knows how many GC's and TC's.

I do believe that many people within the TMT were not as "patriotic" as we were led to believe. There were many rich TC businessman calling the shots in the TMT, all had their own political agenda's. My mother's uncle was constantly used to knock off people. In many instances the people he killed were of no threat to the TC community but a threat to the business interests of some among the TMT. When he learnt what was going on he to was killed by his "masters". My fathers brother also shared a similar fate being killed by UN soldiers in the 80's.

I would think similar events occurred within EOKA as well.


Much as we would like things to be balanced, it doesn't always follow that has to be the case.

Whereas TMT were set up as a countering, disruptive force with negative ambitions and freedom to destroy and confuse ...,. EOKA had a definite, defined positive end-role in mind, with a code of conduct to follow. As such, EOKA were structured and hence less likely to exercise as much wanton, opportunistic killings as an "organisation" like TMT.
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Postby EPSILON » Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:42 pm

denizaksulu wrote:The name Gypsou obviously is where the chemical Gypsum (Calcium sulphate) derives its name from. The soil around there must be strata containing Gypsum. I need to locate the place.

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May i conclude that T/cs just translated the Greek name in Turkish? I mean they did not give a new name to the village but they just made a traslation?
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Postby The Cypriot » Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:47 pm

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Quoting "Edmund Burke" are we :lol: . I used to have that as my signature.


The Irishman spoke a lot of sense.... :wink:
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