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[The Cypriot]

(Any 'bad apples' in EOKA who may have killed innocents according to their own aspirations and not those of EOKA, do NOT make EOKA a terrorist organisation, but instead, condemn those individuals as murderers.)

The murder of innocent civilians must have been committed by bad apples.

But what about the killing of leftists? 23 of them? How did those deaths advance the cause of freedom? And were those deaths commited by bad apples?

CIvilians who informed the British on the identities of EOKA fighters in exchange for money were targetted regularly.

These civilians weren't innocent. They were collaborators.

[Oracle]

As far as I remember 7 of those were killed by British (Halil's post).

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/post-401410.html

[denizaksulu]

There are a few photographs of elderly people who were working on their land. They were definitely innocent civilians as were a few more. One can only weed the information you want by combing the entire lists. I will PM you my e-mail address. cut and paste some names and I will translate. It will take time but I am willing to give you my time. I will try and get some of the names of 'innocent civilians' and post them here. It will not be a short one.

Let me have a closer look and I will get back to you. I believe you're right. There are perhaps a dozen older men (not in uniform), young boys and women, who were probably innocent civilians.... I will give you a list of these and would be grateful if you could give me some background. I do believe this is a very important subject.

Do not take that list at face value ... there were at least seven who were killed by the British:
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/post-401410.html
.... although halil tried to pass them off as martyrs even though it was during some unrelated demonstration. As Deniz may have said some died (knowingly) at the hands of TMT, still others to natural causes and accidents of their own making.

They have all been lumped together in that link .... and there have been at least two attempts on the forum to pass them all off as EOKA-casualties.

Correction.


The link is called 'Martyrs'. Not those killed by EOKA.

The same list of TCs has been used as evidence both for suggesting they were martyrs at the hands of British and at other times as dying at the hands of EOKA ... now they couldn't have been killed TWICE ... could they Deniz?

Some also died at the hands of the TMT and by natural/accidental causes ... yet the same LIST of dead TCs is used as evidence!

Here was Piratis' query to halil from one of the threads:

Also the website that Halil gave is for sure not about any resistance to British Colonial rule. So did Halil mix up irrelevant things?

The other thread was one where I took you to task for trying to mix things up .... I don't have time to search for it now.

I cant comment as I do not have the other list you refer to. Suffice to say not all were killed at the hands of EOKA.

There is NO other list Deniz ... this is the list that seems to suit ALL purposes ... Here; this is were we last discussed it:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=422972

OK. When you said 'two attempts' were made I thought you referred to two different lists.

[Paphitis]

Anyone who was seen collaborating with the British or was even associated with the Colonialist Forces was swiftly and justifiably dealt with...

EOKA made its intentions very clear when the campaign began on 01 Apr 55.

I'm not talking about collaborators you mindless cretin. I'm talking about innocent civilians and those killed for their ideological beliefs.

Who were the innocent victims Chip?

[The Cypriot]

Anyone who was seen collaborating with the British or was even associated with the Colonialist Forces was swiftly and justifiably dealt with...

EOKA made its intentions very clear when the campaign began on 01 Apr 55.

I'm not talking about collaborators you mindless cretin. I'm talking about innocent civilians and those killed for their ideological beliefs.

Who were the innocent victims Chip?

There were at least 23 people that were killed, not because they opposed the liberation struggle, but because they opposed the extreme ideology of the EOKA leadership.

[The Cypriot]

I don't know! What were those "leftists" doing at the time, to be killed? Simply existing, or actively opposing EOKA?

Keep reading, Oracle mu.

[Paphitis]

(Any 'bad apples' in EOKA who may have killed innocents according to their own aspirations and not those of EOKA, do NOT make EOKA a terrorist organisation, but instead, condemn those individuals as murderers.)

The murder of innocent civilians must have been committed by bad apples.

But what about the killing of leftists? 23 of them? How did those deaths advance the cause of freedom? And were those deaths commited by bad apples?

I don't know! What were those "leftists" doing at the time, to be killed? Simply existing, or actively opposing EOKA?

If they were simply existing and minding their own business then they would NOT have been killed.

If they resisted and opposed EOKA, collaborated with the British for money or privileges, or were providing the British with any intelligence which led to the capture of any EOKA member, then they signed their own death sentence.

Even suspicion of collaborating with the British is enough reason to be killed. Because the consequences of not dealing with known or suspected collaborators is far too high.

[Paphitis]

Anyone who was seen collaborating with the British or was even associated with the Colonialist Forces was swiftly and justifiably dealt with...

EOKA made its intentions very clear when the campaign began on 01 Apr 55.

I'm not talking about collaborators you mindless cretin. I'm talking about innocent civilians and those killed for their ideological beliefs.

Who were the innocent victims Chip?

There were at least 23 people that were killed, not because they opposed the liberation struggle, but because they opposed the extreme ideology of the EOKA leadership.

This is the same exactly the same as undermining and sabotaging the EOKA struggle for self determination..

So they were NOT innocent after all....

Obviously, it is only those with extreme ideological beliefs that are capable of defeating a superpower to grant Cypriots self determination.

How dare the 23 undermine his noble quest?

[The Cypriot]

This is the same exactly the same as undermining and sabotaging the EOKA struggle for elf determination..

So they were NOT innocent after all....

The struggle for EOKA's idea of self determination and the struggle for freedom are not necessarily the same thing.

These people were NOT GUILTY of opposing the struggle for freedom. They were NOT GUILTY of collaboration. They should not have been murdered. Their murder was an act of terrorism.

Killing anyone for their ideological beliefs is an act of terrorism.

Can you get that through your cretinous head without accusations of TRAITOR?

Accusations like that get INNOCENT PEOPLE killed.

YOU MINDLESS CRETIN

[Paphitis]

This is the same exactly the same as undermining and sabotaging the EOKA struggle for elf determination..

So they were NOT innocent after all....

The struggle for EOKA's idea of self determination and the struggle for freedom are not necessarily the same thing.

These people were NOT GUILTY of opposing the struggle for freedom. They were NOT GUILTY of collaboration. They should not have been murdered. Their murder was an act of terrorism.

Killing anyone for their ideological beliefs is an act of terrorism.

Can you get that through your cretinous head without accusations of TRAITOR?

Accusations like that get INNOCENT PEOPLE killed.

YOU MINDLESS CRETIN

They were NOT innocent because they opposed the EOKA leadership and EOKA.

By undermining the EOKA leadership, they also undermined the struggle, and for that they received a death sentence...

Your ideology is also extreme, albeit at the opposite end of the spectrum, and your's is an ideology which has achieved nothing for Cyprus at all....and will even lead us to concede defeat.