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[Oracle]

We will get to the bottom of this, O.

The killing by EOKA of innocent civilians (Christian or Muslim), including leftists was, by definition, the act of a terrorist. But, by the same token, the killing by EOKA of the Imperialist army personnel and their paid local agents (engaged on Cyprus to prevent freedom) was, by definition, the act of a freedom fighter.

We need to agree on this and put the matter to rest once and for all.

The terminology used by the British to describe EOKA during active times is now irrelevant, since they conceded to their demands for self-determination so even the British eventually accepted EOKA were fighting for freedom.

What the TCs want to ascribe to them now, is also irrelevant as they have their own, present, political agenda.

(Any 'bad apples' in EOKA who may have killed innocents according to their own aspirations and not those of EOKA, do NOT make EOKA a terrorist organisation, but instead, condemn those individuals as murderers.)

[The Cypriot]

And enosis for TCs meant a death warrant# The Cypriot your comments please you appear to have avoided tis post by Miltiades.

I already commented to milti's comments. Keep up.

[denizaksulu]

There are a few photographs of elderly people who were working on their land. They were definitely innocent civilians as were a few more. One can only weed the information you want by combing the entire lists. I will PM you my e-mail address. cut and paste some names and I will translate. It will take time but I am willing to give you my time. I will try and get some of the names of 'innocent civilians' and post them here. It will not be a short one.

Let me have a closer look and I will get back to you. I believe you're right. There are perhaps a dozen older men (not in uniform), young boys and women, who were probably innocent civilians.... I will give you a list of these and would be grateful if you could give me some background. I do believe this is a very important subject.

Do not take that list at face value ... there were at least seven who were killed by the British:
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/post-401410.html
.... although halil tried to pass them off as martyrs even though it was during some unrelated demonstration. As Deniz may have said some died (knowingly) at the hands of TMT, still others to natural causes and accidents of their own making.

They have all been lumped together in that link .... and there have been at least two attempts on the forum to pass them all off as EOKA-casualties.

Correction.


The link is called 'Martyrs'. Not those killed by EOKA.

The same list of TCs has been used as evidence both for suggesting they were martyrs at the hands of British and at other times as dying at the hands of EOKA ... now they couldn't have been killed TWICE ... could they Deniz?

Some also died at the hands of the TMT and by natural/accidental causes ... yet the same LIST of dead TCs is used as evidence!

Here was Piratis' query to halil from one of the threads:

Also the website that Halil gave is for sure not about any resistance to British Colonial rule. So did Halil mix up irrelevant things?

The other thread was one where I took you to task for trying to mix things up .... I don't have time to search for it now.

I cant comment as I do not have the other list you refer to. Suffice to say not all were killed at the hands of EOKA.

[The Cypriot]

(Any 'bad apples' in EOKA who may have killed innocents according to their own aspirations and not those of EOKA, do NOT make EOKA a terrorist organisation, but instead, condemn those individuals as murderers.)

The murder of innocent civilians must have been committed by bad apples.

But what about the killing of leftists? 23 of them? How did those deaths advance the cause of freedom? And were those deaths commited by bad apples?

[DT.]

(Any 'bad apples' in EOKA who may have killed innocents according to their own aspirations and not those of EOKA, do NOT make EOKA a terrorist organisation, but instead, condemn those individuals as murderers.)

The murder of innocent civilians must have been committed by bad apples.

But what about the killing of leftists? 23 of them? How did those deaths advance the cause of freedom? And were those deaths commited by bad apples?

CIvilians who informed the British on the identities of EOKA fighters in exchange for money were targetted regularly.

[Paphitis]

(Any 'bad apples' in EOKA who may have killed innocents according to their own aspirations and not those of EOKA, do NOT make EOKA a terrorist organisation, but instead, condemn those individuals as murderers.)

The murder of innocent civilians must have been committed by bad apples.

But what about the killing of leftists? 23 of them? How did those deaths advance the cause of freedom? And were those deaths commited by bad apples?

Anyone who was seen collaborating with the British or was even associated with the Colonialist Forces was swiftly and justifiably dealt with...

EOKA made its intentions very clear when the campaign began on 01 Apr 55.

[Oracle]

There are a few photographs of elderly people who were working on their land. They were definitely innocent civilians as were a few more. One can only weed the information you want by combing the entire lists. I will PM you my e-mail address. cut and paste some names and I will translate. It will take time but I am willing to give you my time. I will try and get some of the names of 'innocent civilians' and post them here. It will not be a short one.

Let me have a closer look and I will get back to you. I believe you're right. There are perhaps a dozen older men (not in uniform), young boys and women, who were probably innocent civilians.... I will give you a list of these and would be grateful if you could give me some background. I do believe this is a very important subject.

Do not take that list at face value ... there were at least seven who were killed by the British:
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/post-401410.html
.... although halil tried to pass them off as martyrs even though it was during some unrelated demonstration. As Deniz may have said some died (knowingly) at the hands of TMT, still others to natural causes and accidents of their own making.

They have all been lumped together in that link .... and there have been at least two attempts on the forum to pass them all off as EOKA-casualties.

Correction.


The link is called 'Martyrs'. Not those killed by EOKA.

The same list of TCs has been used as evidence both for suggesting they were martyrs at the hands of British and at other times as dying at the hands of EOKA ... now they couldn't have been killed TWICE ... could they Deniz?

Some also died at the hands of the TMT and by natural/accidental causes ... yet the same LIST of dead TCs is used as evidence!

Here was Piratis' query to halil from one of the threads:

Also the website that Halil gave is for sure not about any resistance to British Colonial rule. So did Halil mix up irrelevant things?

The other thread was one where I took you to task for trying to mix things up .... I don't have time to search for it now.

I cant comment as I do not have the other list you refer to. Suffice to say not all were killed at the hands of EOKA.

There is NO other list Deniz ... this is the list that seems to suit ALL purposes ... Here; this is were we last discussed it:

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?p=422972

[Oracle]

(Any 'bad apples' in EOKA who may have killed innocents according to their own aspirations and not those of EOKA, do NOT make EOKA a terrorist organisation, but instead, condemn those individuals as murderers.)

The murder of innocent civilians must have been committed by bad apples.

But what about the killing of leftists? 23 of them? How did those deaths advance the cause of freedom? And were those deaths commited by bad apples?

I don't know! What were those "leftists" doing at the time, to be killed? Simply existing, or actively opposing EOKA?

[The Cypriot]

Anyone who was seen collaborating with the British or was even associated with the Colonialist Forces was swiftly and justifiably dealt with...

EOKA made its intentions very clear when the campaign began on 01 Apr 55.

I'm not talking about collaborators you mindless cretin. I'm talking about innocent civilians and those killed for their ideological beliefs.

[DT.]

As far as I remember 7 of those were killed by British (Halil's post).