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[The Cypriot]

There are a few photographs of elderly people who were working on their land. They were definitely innocent civilians as were a few more. One can only weed the information you want by combing the entire lists. I will PM you my e-mail address. cut and paste some names and I will translate. It will take time but I am willing to give you my time. I will try and get some of the names of 'innocent civilians' and post them here. It will not be a short one.

Let me have a closer look and I will get back to you. I believe you're right. There are perhaps a dozen older men (not in uniform), young boys and women, who were probably innocent civilians.... I will give you a list of these and would be grateful if you could give me some background. I do believe this is a very important subject.

[Oracle]

There are a few photographs of elderly people who were working on their land. They were definitely innocent civilians as were a few more. One can only weed the information you want by combing the entire lists. I will PM you my e-mail address. cut and paste some names and I will translate. It will take time but I am willing to give you my time. I will try and get some of the names of 'innocent civilians' and post them here. It will not be a short one.

Let me have a closer look and I will get back to you. I believe you're right. There are perhaps a dozen older men (not in uniform), young boys and women, who were probably innocent civilians.... I will give you a list of these and would be grateful if you could give me some background. I do believe this is a very important subject.

Do not take that list at face value ... there were at least seven who were killed by the British:
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/post-401410.html
.... although halil tried to pass them off as martyrs even though it was during some unrelated demonstration. As Deniz may have said some died (knowingly) at the hands of TMT, still others to natural causes and accidents of their own making.

They have all been lumped together in that link .... and there have been at least two attempts on the forum to pass them all off as EOKA-casualties.

[denizaksulu]

There are a few photographs of elderly people who were working on their land. They were definitely innocent civilians as were a few more. One can only weed the information you want by combing the entire lists. I will PM you my e-mail address. cut and paste some names and I will translate. It will take time but I am willing to give you my time. I will try and get some of the names of 'innocent civilians' and post them here. It will not be a short one.

Let me have a closer look and I will get back to you. I believe you're right. There are perhaps a dozen older men (not in uniform), young boys and women, who were probably innocent civilians.... I will give you a list of these and would be grateful if you could give me some background. I do believe this is a very important subject.

There are a few photographs of children. Dont let them confuse you. Check the birth dates. Some were my school friends (Kophinou 1967) When killed they were in their twenties. They used available photos as some homes were burnt out when the NG/EOKA captured Kophinou in 1967.

[Paphitis]

What about when they murdered innocent young girls (Famagusta) just because they were British? What does that make them?

Terrorists. Keep up Bananiot, I've already said the killing of innocent civilians (Christian or Muslim) were acts of terrorism.

Any Cypriot who labels EOKA freedom figthers as terrorists is nothing more than a traitor...A label that can't even be given to any brit that does the same...

ATE ANEVASE TI VRAKA SOU KAI ASIHTIR VLAKA!

That applies to you too Bananiot..

[denizaksulu]

There are a few photographs of elderly people who were working on their land. They were definitely innocent civilians as were a few more. One can only weed the information you want by combing the entire lists. I will PM you my e-mail address. cut and paste some names and I will translate. It will take time but I am willing to give you my time. I will try and get some of the names of 'innocent civilians' and post them here. It will not be a short one.

Let me have a closer look and I will get back to you. I believe you're right. There are perhaps a dozen older men (not in uniform), young boys and women, who were probably innocent civilians.... I will give you a list of these and would be grateful if you could give me some background. I do believe this is a very important subject.

Do not take that list at face value ... there were at least seven who were killed by the British:
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/post-401410.html
.... although halil tried to pass them off as martyrs even though it was during some unrelated demonstration. As Deniz may have said some died (knowingly) at the hands of TMT, still others to natural causes and accidents of their own making.

They have all been lumped together in that link .... and there have been at least two attempts on the forum to pass them all off as EOKA-casualties.

Correction.


The link is called 'Martyrs'. Not those killed by EOKA.

[The Cypriot]

We will get to the bottom of this, O.

The killing by EOKA of innocent civilians (Christian or Muslim), including leftists was, by definition, the act of a terrorist. But, by the same token, the killing by EOKA of the Imperialist army personnel and their paid local agents (engaged on Cyprus to prevent freedom) was, by definition, the act of a freedom fighter.

We need to agree on this and put the matter to rest once and for all.

[Viewpoint]

VP, the posts about EOKA in the last few hours - since you and I started discussing it.

You have to read my posts in context. I can't paste them. It won't make sense. You'll see what I mean if you do.

The Cypriot, are you denying that the struggle of EOKA and the aim of ENOSIS were not part and parcel of the same goal. I witnessed the anti British demonstrations in Kyrenia and the EOKA and ENOSIS slogan will forever remain in my memory - together with the smell of the tear gas used by the British army. They were two inseparable ideals.

I suggest that you have studied a lot of revisionary history books. Please tell me that I am wrong.

There is no denial and there can be no argument by any G/C that the strugle was not for Independence of Cyprus but of ENOSIS. EOKA - ENOSIS was synonymous in the struggle .
I have posted many times on this forum that the struggle was perfectly legitimate , the goal was a grave error .
ENOSIS was our goal then , the ONLY goal , nothing short of ENOSIS was even considered . We were naive and needed to be nourished by the Greek idea in order to maintain the struggle.
The T/Cs never entered the equation they simply did not matter , they were seen as remnants of a past era , they were not Greeks their concerns simply ridiculed and brushed aside.
I lived through the struggle I participated in a minuscule way , my memory as a young teenager was supreme. I remember events that I witnessed not had them recalled by a third party. I witnessed the brutality of the British army and I witnessed the kindness and professionalism of the British army . I witnessed the arrests of young kids by the British army , the cooperation that was at hand by the mostly poor T/C auxiliary force created by the British in order to saw the seeds of hatred amongst our people.
ENOSIS WAS THE ULTIMATE GOAL , THERE IS NO VALID ARGUMENT AGAINST THIS.

And enosis for TCs meant a death warrant# The Cypriot your comments please you appear to have avoided tis post by Miltiades.

[Tim Drayton]

In a report by the International Crisis Group, quoted from an article in the Cyprus Weekly

http://www.cyprusweekly.com.cy/default. ... 6&heading=

in the event that another settlement plan is rejected in referenda
"the two communities could then be granted the option of separate self-determination by the international community."

Bear in mind that according to the United Nations Resolution from which I quoted above, the right of self-determination may be implemented by means of

"the free association or integration with an independent State."

In other words, the recognition of two separate rights of self-determination brings with it the danger of annexation of the north of Cyprus to Turkey, especially given that in another decade or two there will no longer exist an identifiable Turkish Cypriot community on the island, but rather a community largely composed of migrants from Turkey and their descendants. This is a danger that cannot be ignored.

[Oracle]

There are a few photographs of elderly people who were working on their land. They were definitely innocent civilians as were a few more. One can only weed the information you want by combing the entire lists. I will PM you my e-mail address. cut and paste some names and I will translate. It will take time but I am willing to give you my time. I will try and get some of the names of 'innocent civilians' and post them here. It will not be a short one.

Let me have a closer look and I will get back to you. I believe you're right. There are perhaps a dozen older men (not in uniform), young boys and women, who were probably innocent civilians.... I will give you a list of these and would be grateful if you could give me some background. I do believe this is a very important subject.

Do not take that list at face value ... there were at least seven who were killed by the British:
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/post-401410.html
.... although halil tried to pass them off as martyrs even though it was during some unrelated demonstration. As Deniz may have said some died (knowingly) at the hands of TMT, still others to natural causes and accidents of their own making.

They have all been lumped together in that link .... and there have been at least two attempts on the forum to pass them all off as EOKA-casualties.

Correction.


The link is called 'Martyrs'. Not those killed by EOKA.

The same list of TCs has been used as evidence both for suggesting they were martyrs at the hands of British and at other times as dying at the hands of EOKA ... now they couldn't have been killed TWICE ... could they Deniz?

Some also died at the hands of the TMT and by natural/accidental causes ... yet the same LIST of dead TCs is used as evidence!

Here was Piratis' query to halil from one of the threads:

Also the website that Halil gave is for sure not about any resistance to British Colonial rule. So did Halil mix up irrelevant things?

The other thread was one where I took you to task for trying to mix things up .... I don't have time to search for it now.

[The Cypriot]

Any Cypriot who labels EOKA freedom figthers as terrorists is nothing more than a traitor...A label that can't even be given to any brit that does the same...

ATE ANEVASE TI VRAKA SOU KAI ASIHTIR VLAKA!

That applies to you too Bananiot..

You are a mindless cretin, Paphiti.

How would you describe someone who kills an innocent civilian or who kills someone for their ideological beliefs?

You are the traitor. A traitor to the truth. A traitor to decency. A traitor to justice. A traitor to Cyprus.

Now go and eat your breakfast... and have plenty of chips!