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[Get Real!]

If it is the former, then the continued alienation of the north by the RoCy after the Annan Plan referendum was a bad move on the RoCy's part.

Says who? Why should the RoC give into hostage demands?

Engagement would have yielded better results that continuing the isolation strategy. It was the isolation strategy that made this situation! If those folk up north of the green line are supposed to be your fellow citizens, then perhaps you'd best start treating them like that.

If Canadian Indians ever take up arms, close off 37% of Canadian territory, and have the US encouraging and protecting them from the Canadian forces restoring order, guess whose government will be on the phone to Cyprus first thing in the morning asking about isolation strategies…

[Sotos]

Isolation my left foot. Within 12 months either we will be independent or join Turkey proper. Watch it happen and weep you washed up robber. We will have our new dawn instead.

What exactly do you mean?

That Turkey is going to announce the annexation of UN condemned Cypriot territory to the rest of the world and expect applause?

Or that the world is going to recognize a territory condemned by the UN as an independent state because Turkish Cypriots are too important and influential to let international law get in the way?

If TCs vote in a referendum to either go independent or join Turkey what can anybody do? GR we are not in 1974. 2009 is a different time period. TCs are not seen as the bad guys anymore, thanks to your lovely TPapa and his shenanigans in the last few years.

And why don't you make the referendum then? You think that you can vote that our land belongs to you and others will just accept it just because you say so? Then we will have a referendum that Turkey belongs to us

[Dr J]

Bad analogy - the Canadian Indians are native to the land, not like the Turks in Cyprus.

[YFred]

With the outright 'parlimentary' majority win by Dervis Ergolu and his UBP in yesterday's polls, it does place a definite burden upon Mr. Talat in his negotiations with President Christofas. Of course, one could also speculate - as was indicated in a reply made to me in another thread - that this poll result was not so much an expression of the voters wills, but orchestrated by the politcians and military brasshats in Ankara. If it is the former, then the continued alienation of the north by the RoCy after the Annan Plan referendum was a bad move on the RoCy's part. If it is the latter, then one must take a close look at what the folks running Turkey and it's military machine have to gain by such a move.

Mr Christofias has about 8 months to agree and the offer will suddenly decrease to even less than what he is being offered today, sadly.
If Denktash had any common sense, and listened to the Turkish government we could have been here 10 years ago.

And if he does not agree in the 8 months then what? You and Turkey will not see any EU and you will continue to rod in the pseudo state crying for the isolation. Have fun You can't blackmail us you filthy beggar.

Isolation my left foot. Within 12 months either we will be independent or join Turkey proper. Watch it happen and weep you washed up robber. We will have our new dawn instead.

I would suggest to you to take a long vacation from the forum before April 20, 2010 because on that day I will be here laughing at you and the rest of the beggars. You think you can force us to accept your demands or else you will get your partition legalized? You are wrong fredy. And don't hope that I will forget what you said about the "within 12 months". I put a reminder on my calendar with a link to this thread I will tell you what will happen in 12 months. Nothing. At most there will still be useless negotiations. Lets see who will be right and who will be wrong. So who bets that YFred will be right and who bets that Sotos will be right?

If you are right I will buy you an efes beer in Girne, if I am right you can buy me a Keo in Limasol, how about that.

OK! But only after you are publicly ridiculed in the forum and admit that you have always talked bullshit

Let me just remind you that my 12 months begins after the next failure in 8 months time. Now If what I say does not happen, then I will accept that this prediction was a little bit crap, not all my predictions.

[Get Real!]

Isolation my left foot. Within 12 months either we will be independent or join Turkey proper. Watch it happen and weep you washed up robber. We will have our new dawn instead.

What exactly do you mean?

That Turkey is going to announce the annexation of UN condemned Cypriot territory to the rest of the world and expect applause?

Or that the world is going to recognize a territory condemned by the UN as an independent state because Turkish Cypriots are too important and influential to let international law get in the way?

If TCs vote in a referendum to either go independent or join Turkey what can anybody do?

Whatever gave you the idea that TCs can vote to go one way or another? You overestimate your abilities!

GR we are not in 1974. 2009 is a different time period.

Really? Has international law changed since then?

TCs are not seen as the bad guys anymore, thanks to your lovely TPapa and his shenanigans in the last few years.

You put too much weight on how you're "seen" and zero on reality... but there are no international rules based on (your imaginary) perception!

[YFred]

Isolation my left foot. Within 12 months either we will be independent or join Turkey proper. Watch it happen and weep you washed up robber. We will have our new dawn instead.

What exactly do you mean?

That Turkey is going to announce the annexation of UN condemned Cypriot territory to the rest of the world and expect applause?

Or that the world is going to recognize a territory condemned by the UN as an independent state because Turkish Cypriots are too important and influential to let international law get in the way?

If TCs vote in a referendum to either go independent or join Turkey what can anybody do?

Whatever gave you the idea that TCs can vote to go one way or another? You overestimate your abilities!

GR we are not in 1974. 2009 is a different time period.

Really? Has international law changed since then?

TCs are not seen as the bad guys anymore, thanks to your lovely TPapa and his shenanigans in the last few years.

You put too much weight on how you're "seen" and zero on reality... but there are no international rules based on (your imaginary) perception!

Time is the fourth Dimension, not imagenary at all, and it will tell in good time.

[insan]

I too believe that the negotiations will fail once again and partition will be officially put in agenda to be discussed. Do u think any power on planet earth could force TCs and Turkey to accept Greek-GC solution thesis under the curent or future circumstances? I don't even give just 0.1% chance for that.

[Get Real!]

Time is the fourth Dimension, not imagenary at all, and it will tell in good time.

Let’s face it Y-Fronts, it’s the Turkish Cypriots that are washed up and washed out… first from 63% of Cypriot territory, and slowly but surely from the remaining 37%!

There was a time when a race to join mummy-land was everything, but unknown to all there was a hidden price to pay if you succeeded... and your people are now paying that price with compounding interest.

[YFred]

I too believe that the negotiations will fail once again and partition will be officially put in agenda to be discussed. Do u think any power on planet earth could force TCs and Turkey to accept Greek-GC solution thesis under the curent or future circumstances? I don't even give just 0.1% chance for that.

How will it fail? Will they reach an agreement? and which side is likely to vote against it?

[Get Real!]

I too believe that the negotiations will fail once again and partition will be officially put in agenda to be discussed. Do u think any power on planet earth could force TCs and Turkey to accept Greek-GC solution thesis under the curent or future circumstances? I don't even give just 0.1% chance for that.

By the same token, what’s the incentive for the RoC to cede any of her territory? Your pretty face?