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by **yialousa1971** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:03 pm

Hellenic Antidote.

Turkish Cypriots and the Joy of Looting.

http://hellenicantidote.blogspot.com/2009/04/turkish-cypriots-and-joy-of-looting.html

There are two basic lies which Cyprus' communist president Dimitris Christofias and his party AKEL continually repeat regarding Cyprus. One is that the Turkish invasion was the culmination of Greek Cypriots' chauvinistic nationalist insistence on 'enosis' – union of Cyprus with Greece; and, secondly, that ordinary Turkish Cypriots had no real role in Turkey's rape of the island deprived as they were, according to AKEL, by their own chauvinist leaders and Greek fanaticism, of their true desire which was to live harmoniously with Greek Cypriots.

Now, of course, enosis was never a chauvinist or extremist demand but a historically legitimate and democratic prerogative (Greeks are 80 percent of the Cyprus population) aimed at liberating the island from 800 years of foreign control and it cannot be considered the moral equivalent of the Turkish demand for 'taksim' – partition – which was predicated on the physical and cultural elimination of Greek Cypriots.

On the second AKEL assertion, which depicts Turkish Cypriots as simple-minded political virgins who were innocent bystanders in the Cyprus tragedy, not only does this ignore the fact that the Turkish Cypriots had developed a Turkish nationalist consciousness but that this had occurred and existed independently and not as a reaction to Greek demands for enosis.

The facts also show that Turkish Cypriots were significantly culpable in the rape of Cyprus, and I've written several posts on the widespread Turkish Cypriot involvement in the atrocities that characterised the Turkish invasion of the island in 1974.

More evidence of Turkish Cypriot war crimes comes from the statements below from two Turkish Cypriot academics – both of whom are well-known anti-Greeks – that discuss the systematic looting that took place in the aftermath of the Turkish invasion and the ethnic cleansing of northern Cyprus. Resentment, envy and covetousness tell us a great deal about post-Ottoman Turkish nationalism and the Turkish Cypriot character and mentality.

Here's how Niyazi Kizilyurek ( http://www.observercyprus.com/observer/NewsDetails.aspx?id=3702) describes the frenzy of Turkish Cypriot looting:

'The majority of the Turkish Cypriots welcomed the Turkish intervention [sic] in Cyprus with excitement which turned into real holiday joy when they got to share the property left behind by the Greek Cypriots.

'Suddenly, luxurious buildings, houses, factories, hotels became the property of Turkish Cypriots. It all happened so suddenly. The cheerful childlike Turkish Cypriots were dipping their hand into a goody bag as they took over or ransacked the beautiful Greek Cypriot houses.

'Men gathered in the village squares telling each other about the prettiness of their new houses, showing their Greek Cypriot clothes on their backs and talking about who got how much pillage.

'Women were visiting each other’s houses and checking out who got what. Children were playing with their new toys in their new clothes on the streets.'

And according to Vamik Volkan (http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.php?id=15220&archive=1) :

'Before the Turkish Cypriot [occupation regime] could bring the situation under control, people looted Greek Cypriot houses, factories, and villages… It was said that the erstwhile employers of a middle-aged Turkish woman who had been a maidservant were paying social calls on her in view of her overnight prosperity, based on her vast store of loot.'

Volkan says that the looting was so widespread and systematic that a new word was created for it, buluntu, meaning 'something found'.

'At social events, there was considerable chatter about the "found things" in the house of one or another of the group. As the old moral strictures on the individual and on society were shaken, people felt that they had the right to own the "found things" and even stole such "found" items from one another…

'The general preoccupation with buluntu was still evident when I visited northern Cyprus six months after the war, but it ended soon thereafter, perhaps because of steps taken by the [occupation regime] or, possibly, because there was nothing more to be ‘found’.

'Such preoccupation with material things had psychological usefulness, I believe, inasmuch as it permitted a group that had for a long time nursed a severe narcissistic hurt to acquire narcissistic supplies in some abundance without guilt.'
Posted by john akritas at Wednesday, April 15, 2009

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11 comments:

Θάνος said...
Let me ask you a silly question.
But only those who cannot answer a question say it is a silly question…
Who is a Turkish cypriot? How can someone be considered as a Turkish Cypriot and not a Turk?
Are there any Turkish Cypriot dialect, musique, culture that would make those people Cypriot? The same way Cypriots have their own culture which is different from let’s say Cretan or Thracian culture.
Or do they call themselves Turkish Cypriots simply because they were born and live there?

16 April 2009 21:03
john akritas said...
Thano
I'm no expert on the TCs. Why should I be? They're of little interest. But as far as I'm aware, they do have their own dialect and a slightly different culture from mainland Turk culture – they're not as religious, for example. We should also remember that most Turkish Cypriots are, like the Turco-Cretans, Greek converts – many remained crypto-Christians well into the British colonial period – so they have inherited some specifically Cypriot culture – in terms of food, music, etc. It was only with the arrival of the British, modernity and Turkish nationalism that the TCs took on a more distinctly Turkish consciousness. The truth remains, however, that they feel neither fully Turk nor fully Cypriot. How could they feel fully Cypriot? Cyprus' history and culture has been shaped by its Greek inhabitants, so that it must be very difficult, if not impossible, for the TCs to identify with it – which is why presumably in the occupied areas during and after the invasion they did their best to destroy it.

16 April 2009 22:34
Anonymous said...
Turkish cypriot is a turk that lives in Cyprus. A turk is a turk; it is like turkish german, or turkish dane. By the same question we might ask who is a Greek cypriot ? Greek cypriots differ from Greeks from Greece; they are bonded by the same language, culture, and hellenic history, but geographycally they are at a distance from mainlanders. Their Greek language accent and intonations sounds different. The island of Cyprus would have run the same fate as the former Greek coastal cities of eastern Greece on Asia minor in 1922 if it had not been for the presence of the British forces . The mongol turks swept and erased the thousand Greek year old heritage from former btzantine towns and cities. Now the turn of Cyprus has arrived, so it seems. The plain facts are that mainland Greece does not appear to have the will nor the verve to reclaim Cyprus as Greek territory anymore than they do not have the politically will to reclaim the loss of Constantinople, Smyrna. The only difference with Cyprus is the bulk of Greek Cypriots on the island. This situation can be reversed in the space of ten years of turkish occupation. The turkish occupation of the island will commence with any accords and agreements put in place between Mr Christofias and the mongrel Talat. Any agreement would accept and acknowledge the " free movement of capital, labor, and the citizens of the island " , unrestrained immigration from both Greece and turkey, and other "globalist and anti national decrees fostering a unitary internationalist dispensation.In other words an open ,borderless living space .There can be no Greek immigration into Cyprus, Greece itself is being invaded and incapable of self defense, how on earth can they expect to "populate" Cyprus ?. The turks on the other hand have no such restrictions, with 80 millions subhumans on their mainland, to debouch 1 million turks on Cyprus is a cinch, and thus smother the Greeks over. This turkish invasion would become even more acceptable once the mongols accede into the EU . Already the EU is being lashed by unrestrained muslim migration from Africa and Asia, and the turkish colonies are well established in there and growing in numbers. Accesion of Turkey into the EU would be a de jure acknowledgement, since a de facto virtual accesion is already in place by the mere presence of millions of turks encrusted in granite like colonies. Turkish foreign policy is long term and geopolitical. Christofias' Cyprus without robust and irredentist Greek support is like an orphaned child and it's foreign policy short spanned. They seem to revel in the comfort of " belonging" to the EU, very much like former Soviet republics revelled of belonging to the then Soviet Union. The island is also losing its national and social homogeneity, it is a heaven for illegal immigration from the middle east, africa and Asia. Most of these illegals are muslims and use turkey as their launching pad. Many of of these illegals find their way into mainland Greece from Cyprus. Illegal immigration is a growth industry in people and human traffic. Greece is having a boom of it and all of it generated from the turkish mainland. When proditor and treasonous Greek ministers announce that Greece is a multicultural nation ( a disgraceful, shameful admission deserving the hanging noose for their architects and engineers for destroying a homogeneous nation))what they are saying is that the turk muslim take over is in progress. If Greece is a multicultural nation , the prgnosis is that , just like in Cyprus, Greeks will be smothered by unrelenting mass muslim and other immigration and render Greeks in a few decades in a minority position in their own country.

17 April 2009 01:26
john akritas said...
You pick up on a very important point regarding Cyprus.
If there is a Cyprus settlement which ends up with northern Cyprus as a semi-independent region, then it is likely that Turkey will exploit this autonomy to flood Cyprus with Turkish settlers – in the guise of construction workers and fruit pickers – to dramatically alter the demographic balance – and this time since the Turkish constituent state will have legal foundation, the Greek Cypriots will have no recourse.

There is also a crazy situation in the free areas of Cyprus at the moment, with a large influx of immigrants from Palestine, Iraq and Pakistan. I ask you: who are these people, if not more Muslim settlers to identify with the Turks? Even crazier was the initiative unveiled by the Cyprus industry minister recently to compensate for the decline of holiday home sales to Europeans because of the credit crunch. His idea? Encourage IRANIANS to come to Cyprus to buy holiday homes!!!! That's just what Cyprus needs: Muslim fanatics buying up the place. Suicide.

17 April 2009 02:40
lastgreek said...
I'd like to add that most, if not all, of the hatred and jealousy the TCs have towards the Greeks of Cyprus has to do with their inability to compete entrepreneurially with the Greeks.

~lastgreek

17 April 2009 03:57
Hermes said...
Greek Cypriots are as Greek as Greek Cretans or Greek Zakynthians - they were simply the last attempted to be united to Greece. However, the meddling of foreign powers and our own stupidity did not allow this to happen.

I stand by my longstanding conviction that the situation in Cyprus can only be solved with violence and possibly great bloodshed.

17 April 2009 04:19
Anonymous said...
If the situation in Cyprus can be resolved with bloodshed, I fear mightily for the safety of Cyprus. We saw the kind of bloodhsed and its results in 1964 and 1974. Without active Greek military intervention ( we did not fight then, why would we fight now ?, when we now are the epitome of civilized members of the decrepit malapropism of the EU and a champion of human rigths , open borders, and the sell out of our people and heritage ?) Cyprus's fate is as good as sealed to fall under turkish sway. The free and untramelled immigration of muslims dirty, filthy pakis,palestinians and other undesirables, are a myopic and treasonous policy toward the Greeks of Cyprus. In the end the immigration cancer can be stopped by violence and bloodshed. The sooner it comes the better, numerically the Asiatic hordes are invading our shores have not reached the critical mass in which they'll tilt any balance of power in their favor. But we are on course toward the abyss. Only a radical revolution, a cleansing of our parasitic worms in government and an instauration of a national, homogenous state can save us from ultimate obliteration. If a recognition of RNC of Cyprus comes about, the correct policy of action would be to turn the dividing line into an iron curtain. Only thus can Greek cypriots remain Greek. As for the Iranian home buyers, it is another demonstration of the insanity of the communist regime of Mr Christofias. With Christofias at the helm of Cyprus, with the traitor alien Georgaki Papandreu at the helm of Greece ( it is irrelevant if the swine Alavanos, Papariga, the faggot Tsipras , Karamanoglou or the Mitsotakis clan are in power; they are cut from the same cloth, useless vampire like nation sellers) the bloodshed will take place not on the battlefield, but in the bedrooms, the colonists will outbreed us and disposess us.

17 April 2009 16:27
Hermes said...
Hillary Clinton and Alexander Downer are "cooking up" a solution for Cyprus

http://infognomonpolitics.blogspot.com/2009/04/x.html

Tremble!!!!

18 April 2009 11:25
Last Greek said...
Anonymous said: 'If the situation in Cyprus can be resolved with bloodshed, I fear mightily for the safety of Cyprus.We saw the kind of bloodhsed and its results in 1964 and 1974. Without active Greek military intervention (we did not fight then, why would we fight now?'

Years ago, I took the opportunity to go to my university library (McGill U.) and search its 1974 newspaper archives for eyewitness accounts of both Mongol invasions of Cyprus. Here's the shocking revelation: The Mongol invasions were like a Keystone Cops operation. The only reason they succeeded was because there was hardly any resistance by the Greeks. There's even mention of a heroic episode where some Greeks in a pickup truck---a fuckin' pickup truck!---were able to bog down a Mongol platoon!

Btw, I call the Turks "Mongols" not because I have no respect for murderers, rapists (and rape they did), and occupiers. No, not at all. I do so because they are indeed a nation of the Mongolian steppes---hence the squint.

There you have it.

~lastgreek

18 April 2009 13:28
john akritas said...
LG:
You're not wrong about the 20 July Turkish invasion of the island. It was a shambles. Our people report that the Mongol soldiers appeared drugged as they waded onto the Kyrenia beaches and were mowed down in large numbers. I've written previously about the experiences of the contingent from Greece on the island during the invasion.
http://hellenicantidote.blogspot.com/20 ... s-and.html

Here's an excerpt: "Ntouvas, serving as a lieutenant in ‘Niki’, is so convinced by the virtues of his comrades and the generally superior quality of the Greek over the Turkish warrior, that he states: 'I believe even today that despite the mistakes that were made, if on that morning [when the Greek commandos landed in Cyprus] there had been [leadership] to coordinate matters, Cyprus would have become a grave[yard] for the Turks and they wouldn’t have raised their heads for another 50 years'."

It should be remembered that having established their Kyrenia bridgehead, the Turks spent the next three weeks bringing in more equipment and men from Turkey in preparation for the second phase of the invasion, which began on 14 August. During this period, Greece – under Karamanlis – made no attempt to prevent this buildup – by bombing the bridgehead, for example – and didn't send one Greek soldier to Cyprus to counter the Turk reinforcements – not even as a bluff or deterrent.

18 April 2009 13:45
john akritas said...
H: that's a very good article you refer to. You know things are bad when you read this:

'Να σημειωθεί ότι οι εξελίξεις στο κυπριακό και γενικότερα στα ελληνοτουρκικά και ελληνοαμερικανικά ανησύχησαν και τους ομοϊδεάτες του κ. Χριστόφια στην Αθήνα. Προ ημερών, ο κοινοβουλευτικός εκπρόσωπος του ΣΥΡΙΖΑ Παναγιώτης Λαφαζάνης προειδοποίησε με άρθρο του ότι ο ελληνισμός αντιμετωπίζει το φάσμα μιας εθνικής κρίσης ακόμα χειρότερης από την οικονομική και κοινωνική που βιώνουμε, ενώ εξέφρασε τον φόβο του ότι στην Κύπρο συζητείται μια λύση «χειρότερη από το σχέδιο Ανάν»'.

'It's worth pointing out that the developments on the Cyprus issue and, more generally, in Greek-American and Greco-Turkish relations, are even concerning [president] Christofias' ideological soulmates in Athens. A few days ago, SYRIZA member of parliament Panayiotis Lafazanis warned that Hellenism is facing a national crisis even worse than the economic and social crises we're familiar with, and he expressed the fear that in Cyprus they're discussing a solution "worse than the Annan plan".

If even SYRIZA is worried about the future of Hellenism and Cyprus, then we really are in trouble.

18 April 2009 14:03

by **Bananiot** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:12 pm

Bloody fascists ... still they are after more blood to quench their thirst, but this time they will not get their way.

by **yialousa1971** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:19 pm

Bananiot wrote:Bloody fascists ... still they are after more blood to quench their thirst, but this time they will not get their way.

Yeah bloody Turks, blood thirsty they are. That is what you meant isn't it?

by **The Cypriot** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 6:38 pm

yialousa1971 wrote:Yeah bloody Turks, blood thirsty they are. That is what you meant isn't it?

Yialousa. Do you believe every 'Turk' or 'Turkish Cypriot' is blood thirsty?

Every single one of them?

That is what you meant isn't it?

(And try and answer without insults or aggression, otherwise don't bother).

by **Oracle** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:15 pm

Someone was talking to me the other day about peoples' disparate perceptions when we use inappropriate language/labels.

Interestingly, most people find it acceptable to 'have a go' at those "above" or in a "high status" position, but it is less acceptable to 'have a go' or denigrate those below you. Out of embarrassment people rush to defend the guilty/perpetrators/fickle-brained ... But the same could not be said for when one makes a 'put-down' on a person(s) perceived to be able to stand up for themselves through their education/privileged up-bringing. They can look after themselves!

Here, in this thread, is another perfect example of this phenomenon.

Bananiot, as usual, made a put-down re. the Greeks expressing their disgust at the behaviour of Turks (and yes, it's mostly Governments at fault, but they do not always get in power on their own ... especially for quite as long as in Turkey's history, without something bad in the background amongst the general population! :roll:

) ..... Yet he remained unchallenged by any outside interlocutor! Strange! ... But as soon as Yialousa made a negative comment about the Turks ... he is scolded! In defence of the 'unable Turk', so it seems

Interesting

... why rush to the defence of the Turks if it's not because we want to apologize for their behaviour ... as though they were unfit to make Human, mature decisions, which draw criticism (albeit it extreme)? Do we see them as infantile? Unable to defend themselves because they have febrile brains?

I'm not criticising The Cypriot for his comment. Au contraire, it demonstrates his caring, sensitive side

... But as a general observation .... any future scurries to defend the Turks, should be viewed in the light of the defender's pitying feelings for them, and not because they rightfully (?) deserve to be treated as wholly innocent/able Human beings ....

I could be wrong .... but it's all just very strange

by **insan** » Sat Apr 18, 2009 9:22 pm

We numerous times stated our opinions regarding almost same or similar disgusting propaganda crap Yallahusa posted above. We too have some websites making disgusting propaganda abt Hellenes but so far I've seen no TC or Turk copying bs from those websites and pasteing here for self-amusement.