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[DT.]

IB, maybe u r descendent of a "converted" that had mixed blood of Choirokittian, Arab, Roman, Venetian, Lusignan, Hellene etc. Maybe I am too. Maybe VP is descendent of a Turco-Mongol-Helleno. We all have mixed blood ancestors but we r how we feel ourselves what we r. Regarding the solution thesis of Cyprus problem, I feel myself much closer to TC-Turkish solution thesis than GC-Greek solution thesis. How do u feel urself? Whatever it is, I respect.

Let's just dispel this myth once and for all. There are two solution theses to Cyprus but they are not G/GC verses T/TC.

They are:

1) the indigenous Cypriot reunification thesis representing and endorsed by the vast majority of Cypriots of all backgrounds and including a growing number of Cypriots of Muslim extraction, many of whom no longer live in the open prison that is the north.

2) the imported Turkish partition thesis representing expansionist Turkey's perceived geopolitical interests on the island and endorsed by many if not most settlers who now make up well over 60% of the electorate in the north (brought over for this purpose), as well as elements of right-wing institutionalised TC residue who also pollute this forum with their disgusting "might-is-right" bile.

Thesis 1 is backed by the whole world, the EU, UN, UK and US, and is about securing freedom and prosperity for the whole island and all its people as a reunified country in the EU. A solution BY Cypriots FOR Cypriots.

Thesis 2 is backed by the Turkish military and deep state which also inhibits real progress towards Turkey developing democratic values to enable it to become a modern civilised EU nation.

Ok. Keep struggling for what u created in ur imagination. I respect. And could u please explain me what national cause GC leadership talk abt with Greek leadership when they meet? Whose national cause is that?

The independence of our island and the halting of the Turkification process.

[The Cypriot]

Ok. Keep struggling for what u created in ur imagination. I respect.

If 'you respect', insan, then why the unbecoming sarcasm? There was nothing sarcastic in what I said. I follow the news on Cyprus very carefully indeed and there is nothing imaginary about the theses I have presented.

It is you that is imprisoned in an imaginary never-never land.

And could u please explain me what national cause GC leadership talk abt with Greek leadership when they meet? Whose national cause is that?

The national cause of President Christofias, whose election was secured from real Cypriot voters, not by imported settlers from a third controlling country, is to secure the reunification of Cyprus for all her people. He has said so on many, many occasions. Don't the prison wardens let you hear his statements? Or are you so institutionalised that you refuse to believe them?

When he visits Greece, Britain or any other European Union partner it is to garner support for the national cause. And since he was elected the term solution BY Cypriots FOR Cypriots has gained international currency and has been reiterated on numerous occasions by UN officials as well as senior politicians on both sides of the Atlantic. They realised an Annan Plan solution BY UK/US FOR Turkey was a non-starter now that Cyprus, as a whole, had joined the EU.

So put that in your nargile pipe and smoke it... if the guards will let you.

[insan]

IB, maybe u r descendent of a "converted" that had mixed blood of Choirokittian, Arab, Roman, Venetian, Lusignan, Hellene etc. Maybe I am too. Maybe VP is descendent of a Turco-Mongol-Helleno. We all have mixed blood ancestors but we r how we feel ourselves what we r. Regarding the solution thesis of Cyprus problem, I feel myself much closer to TC-Turkish solution thesis than GC-Greek solution thesis. How do u feel urself? Whatever it is, I respect.

Let's just dispel this myth once and for all. There are two solution theses to Cyprus but they are not G/GC verses T/TC.

They are:

1) the indigenous Cypriot reunification thesis representing and endorsed by the vast majority of Cypriots of all backgrounds and including a growing number of Cypriots of Muslim extraction, many of whom no longer live in the open prison that is the north.

2) the imported Turkish partition thesis representing expansionist Turkey's perceived geopolitical interests on the island and endorsed by many if not most settlers who now make up well over 60% of the electorate in the north (brought over for this purpose), as well as elements of right-wing institutionalised TC residue who also pollute this forum with their disgusting "might-is-right" bile.

Thesis 1 is backed by the whole world, the EU, UN, UK and US, and is about securing freedom and prosperity for the whole island and all its people as a reunified country in the EU. A solution BY Cypriots FOR Cypriots.

Thesis 2 is backed by the Turkish military and deep state which also inhibits real progress towards Turkey developing democratic values to enable it to become a modern civilised EU nation.

Ok. Keep struggling for what u created in ur imagination. I respect. And could u please explain me what national cause GC leadership talk abt with Greek leadership when they meet? Whose national cause is that?

The independence of our island and the halting of the Turkification process.

Is it the common national cause of Greeks and Greek Cypriots? You agree that u r part of the Greek nation?

[DT.]

IB, maybe u r descendent of a "converted" that had mixed blood of Choirokittian, Arab, Roman, Venetian, Lusignan, Hellene etc. Maybe I am too. Maybe VP is descendent of a Turco-Mongol-Helleno. We all have mixed blood ancestors but we r how we feel ourselves what we r. Regarding the solution thesis of Cyprus problem, I feel myself much closer to TC-Turkish solution thesis than GC-Greek solution thesis. How do u feel urself? Whatever it is, I respect.

Let's just dispel this myth once and for all. There are two solution theses to Cyprus but they are not G/GC verses T/TC.

They are:

1) the indigenous Cypriot reunification thesis representing and endorsed by the vast majority of Cypriots of all backgrounds and including a growing number of Cypriots of Muslim extraction, many of whom no longer live in the open prison that is the north.

2) the imported Turkish partition thesis representing expansionist Turkey's perceived geopolitical interests on the island and endorsed by many if not most settlers who now make up well over 60% of the electorate in the north (brought over for this purpose), as well as elements of right-wing institutionalised TC residue who also pollute this forum with their disgusting "might-is-right" bile.

Thesis 1 is backed by the whole world, the EU, UN, UK and US, and is about securing freedom and prosperity for the whole island and all its people as a reunified country in the EU. A solution BY Cypriots FOR Cypriots.

Thesis 2 is backed by the Turkish military and deep state which also inhibits real progress towards Turkey developing democratic values to enable it to become a modern civilised EU nation.

Ok. Keep struggling for what u created in ur imagination. I respect. And could u please explain me what national cause GC leadership talk abt with Greek leadership when they meet? Whose national cause is that?

The independence of our island and the halting of the Turkification process.

Is it the common national cause of Greeks and Greek Cypriots? You agree that u r part of the Greek nation?

Yes! Its just us the freemasons and the Reptilian race who are the true rulers of this Earth! Muahahaha!!!

[insan]

Ok. Keep struggling for what u created in ur imagination. I respect.

If 'you respect', insan, then why the unbecoming sarcasm? There was nothing sarcastic in what I said. I follow the news on Cyprus very carefully indeed and there is nothing imaginary about the theses I have presented.

It is you that is imprisoned in an imaginary never-never land.

And could u please explain me what national cause GC leadership talk abt with Greek leadership when they meet? Whose national cause is that?

The national cause of President Christofias, whose election was secured from real Cypriot voters, not by imported settlers from a third controlling country, is to secure the reunification of Cyprus for all her people. He has said so on many, many occasions. Don't the prison wardens let you hear his statements? Or are you so institutionalised that you refuse to believe them?

When he visits Greece, Britain or any other European Union partner it is to garner support for the national cause. And since he was elected the term solution BY Cypriots FOR Cypriots has gained international currency and has been reiterated on numerous occasions by UN officials as well as senior politicians on both sides of the Atlantic. They realised an Annan Plan solution BY UK/US FOR Turkey was a non-starter now that Cyprus, as a whole, had joined the EU.

So put that in your nargile pipe and smoke it... if the guards will let you.

When a GC and Greek president meet to talk abt Cyprus problem, the common national cause they talk abt is the Greek national cause. Even your former president TPap called GCs as Greeks of Cyprus. Why r u ignoring it?

[The Cypriot]

When a GC and Greek president meet to talk abt Cyprus problem, the common national cause they talk abt is the Greek national cause.

Goodness you are living in a time-warp. They make you believe that's what happens because that's what Talat has to do when he visits Turkey.

Even your former president TPap called GCs as Greeks of Cyprus. Why r u ignoring it?

insan, the world has changed since the 1960s. The world has changed since the Annan Plan and Cyprus's EU entry. And it's changed since the passing of Papadopoulos.

I am not ignoring what he said. I was critical of it at the time. His strategy was flawed; his belligerence on the world stage was flawed; his preoccupation with Hellenism was flawed; his alienation of Cypriots of Muslim extraction was flawed. I wrote and told him so on numerous occasions. But he was an old head who couldn't change. Are you like Papadopoulos, insan?

Papadopoulos's flawed strategy was rejected by the Cypriot electorate who have elected a new president who has offered the hand of friendship to Cypriots in the north so that they can share the same freedoms and prosperity as their compatriots in the south in a reunited homeland.

So let's talk about NOW. Not then.

[insan]

When a GC and Greek president meet to talk abt Cyprus problem, the common national cause they talk abt is the Greek national cause.

Goodness you are living in a time-warp. They make you believe that's what happens because that's what Talat has to do when he visits Turkey.

Even your former president TPap called GCs as Greeks of Cyprus. Why r u ignoring it?

insan, the world has changed since the 1960s. The world has changed since the Annan Plan and Cyprus's EU entry. And it's changed since the passing of Papadopoulos.

I am not ignoring what he said. I was critical of it at the time. His strategy was flawed; his belligerence on the world stage was flawed; his preoccupation with Hellenism was flawed; his alienation of Cypriots of Muslim extraction was flawed. I wrote and told him so on numerous occasions. But he was an old head who couldn't change. Are you like Papadopoulos, insan?

Papadopoulos's flawed strategy was rejected by the Cypriot electorate who have elected a new president who has offered the hand of friendship to Cypriots in the north so that they can share the same freedoms and prosperity as their compatriots in the south in a reunited homeland.

So let's talk about NOW. Not then.

PRESIDENT CHRISTOFIAS - PAPADOPOULOS` FUNERAL

Former President of the Republic of Cyprus, Tassos Papadopoulos, served
his homeland with devotion and was in the vanguard of the difficult
political life of Cyprus, which he did not abandon until his death,
President of the Republic Demetris Christofias said Monday.


In his valedictory speech at the funeral of Tassos Papadopoulos, who
passed away Friday, President Christofias said that the late President
served Cyprus and its people with devotion and passion and was
characterized by his persistence on and resolve in his beliefs, his
well founded arguments and the sincerity of his positions, which he
fought to put into effect.


He never hesitated to express his views, irrespective of what the
public opinion and the majority supported, a visibly moved Christofias
continued, as he addressed mourners at Saint Sofia church.


In a somber and very emotional atmosphere, President Christofias said
that despite this, he was a politician characterized by credibility, he
enjoyed respect and broad appreciation, because our society knows how
to appreciate and distinguish patriots who serve society with
consistency.

Cypriot society appreciates politicians who have strong opinions which
they defend without calculating any political cost, appreciates those
politicians, who defend their views with passion without however
exceeding the limits of ethical behaviour, decency and political
culture, he added.


In this category of political men, Tassos Papadopoulos has a
distinguished place, President Christofias noted.

Our respect and recognition for all he has offered to our homeland and
our people, for all his struggles and his political actions, will
accompany him during his long journey, President Christofias said.

Each one writes his own history. And Tassos Papadopoulos wrote a
history full of action and struggle. A history, which is closely linked
to the liberation struggle of our people and the eventful life of the
Republic of Cyprus, he continued.


President Christofias recalled that during the anti-colonial struggle
against British rule, in the mid 50s, Archbishop Makarios III detected
the abilities and knowledge of the then young Tassos Papadopoulos and
later selected him to participate in the first Cabinet of the Republic
of Cyprus.


Since then, Tassos Papadopoulos was in the vanguard of a hard political arena, which he did not abandon, until his death, he said.

The Cypriot President said that Tassos Papadopoulos had a profound
knowledge of the Cyprus problem and its parameters.


But he said that his contribution to other areas of the society was
equally important.


The continuous preoccupation with the Cyprus issue possibly overshadows what he has offered in the economic and social affairs of our country, which is equally important, he noted.


President Christofias referred to his sincere, very human, harmonious
and exemplary cooperation with Tassos Papadopoulos.


He said their relations were characterised by respect for one another
and added that their cooperation became friendship when as President of
the House of Representatives I cooperated with him but also later on
when with our support he was elected President of the Republic.


The Cypriot President said that Tassos Papadopoulos leaves behind him a
great contribution to the people of Cyprus and a broad recognition and
respect of friends and political opponents.


Now he can begin his long journey, having a clear conscience that he
carried out in full the duty and debt to his homeland and to our
people, President Christofias concluded.


The funeral service was held at Saint Sophia church in Nicosia, and was
officiated by the head of the Cyprus Orthodox Church Archbishop
Chrysostomos II.


Tassos Papadopoulos died of lung cancer on Friday at the Intensive Care
Unit of Nicosia General Hospital. He was 74.


HOUSE PRESIDENT - PAPADOPOULOS` FUNERAL


President of the House of Representatives Marios Garoyian has said that
the people of Cyprus now have a duty to continue the struggle of the
late President of the Republic of Cyprus, Tassos Papadopoulos, who
passed away Friday. In his valedictory speech at the funeral service of
Tassos Papadopoulos, which took place Monday at the Saint Sophia church
in Nicosia, Garoyian described the late President as a passionate
patriot, a fighter and defender of the just cause of Cyprus and a just
and visionary leader.

Those who had the privilege, the luck and the honor to work with him,
we bid him farewell with words of honor, respect and indebtedness.
Thank you for all you have offered us, for all you have taught us,
thank you for your legacy, he said, as mourners listened to his
emotional speech. Garoyian added your contribution has been full and
invaluable. You served your country with wisdom and devotion. You
sacrificed yourself for your homeland although some times you have been misunderstood and taunted.


The House President added that the people of Cyprus feel they have a
duty to continue Papadopoulos struggle. Noting the legacy which Tassos
Papadopoulos leaves behind, Garoyian said we continue your struggle,
having Cyprus in our hearts and your courageous no in our minds which
saved and safeguarded the Republic of Cyprus and the dignity of Cypriot
Hellenism.

[The Cypriot]

What is the point you're trying to make, insan?

It's was funeral for goodness sake. What did you want Christofias to do, dance on his grave?

[insan]

Karamanlis wrote that "Tassos Papadopoulos has been a prominent figure of the Greeks of Cyprus, whom he served with passion and devotion. Our cooperation was excellent with the single aim of finding a just, comprehensive and agreed solution to the Cyprus problem."
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008- ... 509834.htm

[insan]

What is the point you're trying to make, insan?

It's was funeral for goodness sake. What did you want Christofias to do, dance on his grave?

When I analyzed the speech of Christofias regarding TPap, what I understood is how great man was TPap for him, for all GCs and even for all Hellenes.