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[insan]

Oracle my dear friend .... Idon't think we have a choice in allowing the TC's to hold part of our country hostage............ Turkey has a stronghold on it and whilst that oil is still in the sea we have buckleys. The only people that can change this is the TC's and through a revolution in the occupied areas...... an unlikely step.

The trouble is T/Cs dont hold it. It is occupied by Turkey whose military and govt exercise tremendous influence over those T/Cs willing to accept this situation. To a large extent you are negotiating with Turkey and the T/C only put their concerns forward if they happen to be aligned with Ankara's interests.
Most T/Cs demands are actually not very different to what G/Cs want; a country with the rule of law, security ensured by the EU (not guarantors), the solving of property disputes and prosperity.

The only way to resolve this not by revolution, where a T/C rebellion will be crushed by Turkey, but to support the peace process and to negotiate and begin a dialogue process with Turkey. The up side is that the Turkish govt is democratic and supporting a Cyprus solution based on unity. The pro-EU Turks are now in the majority so we should be working with them to put pressure on their govt for a solution.

I sometimes think that I'm not living in TRNC but on Pluto or Mars.

[bill cobbett]

Oracle my dear friend .... Idon't think we have a choice in allowing the TC's to hold part of our country hostage............ Turkey has a stronghold on it and whilst that oil is still in the sea we have buckleys. The only people that can change this is the TC's and through a revolution in the occupied areas...... an unlikely step.

The trouble is T/Cs dont hold it. It is occupied by Turkey whose military and govt exercise tremendous influence over those T/Cs willing to accept this situation. To a large extent you are negotiating with Turkey and the T/C only put their concerns forward if they happen to be aligned with Ankara's interests.
Most T/Cs demands are actually not very different to what G/Cs want; a country with the rule of law, security ensured by the EU (not guarantors), the solving of property disputes and prosperity.

The only way to resolve this not by revolution, where a T/C rebellion will be crushed by Turkey, but to support the peace process and to negotiate and begin a dialogue process with Turkey. The up side is that the Turkish govt is democratic and supporting a Cyprus solution based on unity. The pro-EU Turks are now in the majority so we should be working with them to put pressure on their govt for a solution.

I sometimes think that I'm not living in TRNC but on Pluto or Mars.

Well I have just been re-reading reports about the unrest and popular demos in the Occupied North back in 2003 which should remind us all that anything is possible.

[insan]

Oracle my dear friend .... Idon't think we have a choice in allowing the TC's to hold part of our country hostage............ Turkey has a stronghold on it and whilst that oil is still in the sea we have buckleys. The only people that can change this is the TC's and through a revolution in the occupied areas...... an unlikely step.

The trouble is T/Cs dont hold it. It is occupied by Turkey whose military and govt exercise tremendous influence over those T/Cs willing to accept this situation. To a large extent you are negotiating with Turkey and the T/C only put their concerns forward if they happen to be aligned with Ankara's interests.
Most T/Cs demands are actually not very different to what G/Cs want; a country with the rule of law, security ensured by the EU (not guarantors), the solving of property disputes and prosperity.

The only way to resolve this not by revolution, where a T/C rebellion will be crushed by Turkey, but to support the peace process and to negotiate and begin a dialogue process with Turkey. The up side is that the Turkish govt is democratic and supporting a Cyprus solution based on unity. The pro-EU Turks are now in the majority so we should be working with them to put pressure on their govt for a solution.

I sometimes think that I'm not living in TRNC but on Pluto or Mars.

Well I have just been re-reading reports about the unrest and popular demos in the Occupied North back in 2003 which should remind us all that anything is possible.

Let's wait and see then.. though it's been almost some 45 years, we still have a lot of time.

Intervention or invasion or ww3?

EOKA or TMT or ww3?

Political equality or minority status for TCs or ww3?

Return of all GC refugees or return of some GC refugees or ww3?

A united Cyprus as how GC wish or TCs wish or ww3?

Time to divide Turkey into 2 or 3 pieces or ww3?

Time to wake Hellenes up from their dreams or ww3?

All or ww3?


Let's see...

[Bananiot]

What about the original question? Are you ignoring the woman?

[YFred]

What about the original question? Are you ignoring the woman?

Haven't we always?

[Bananiot]

I think she probably does not understand the merits of "velvet revolution".

[The Cypriot]

I sometimes think that I'm not living in TRNC but on Pluto or Mars.

You're certainly on another planet when it comes to the choices facing Cyprus...

ww3 anyone?

[bill cobbett]

I think she probably does not understand the merits of "velvet revolution".

None of us do B.

Once the touch paper of popular revolution is lit, things take a difficult to predict course.

A single cross community aim would be helpful. To my mind this might be to oppose foreign interference. Left to their own devices with only Cy interests to consider, X and T might sort the rest in weeks.

[Oracle]

What about the original question? Are you ignoring the woman?

Thank you Bananiot! I know you mean well.

So far there have been a few (interesting) stabs at answering the question ... Do you have anything to add?

Perhaps you could start by giving us your definition of a 'Velvet Revolution', if you are stuck ....

[Raymanoff]

"Stop.... Souvla Time!!!!" - Mc.Hammerides