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Kifeas believe me im not trying to make excuses and it was wrong however you look at it the whole situation was crazy and the result appauling. The whole event should have never been allowed to take place, it should have been nipped in the bud when the idea first came to mind.

[Piratis]

There is still a ceasefire in Cyprus. In this situation, it is just crazy to let people walking against the soldiers as groups and marching. GC police could easily prevent them to pass a certain line to make sure that nothing bad happens.

Yes, there is still ceasefire. Why don't TCs realize this when they expect from GCs not to block direct trade with the occupied areas?

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Piratis

Yes, there is still ceasefire. Why don't TCs realize this when they expect from GCs not to block direct trade with the occupied areas?

goes for both sides, so you are allowed to trade we are not??? show the goodwill everyone expects and suprise us and the world.

[Kifeas]

Kifeas believe me im not trying to make excuses and it was wrong however you look at it the whole situation was crazy and the result appauling. The whole event should have never been allowed to take place, it should have been nipped in the bud when the idea first came to mind.

Okay, I understand what you want to say. However, civilians in every country have the right to demonstrate. Those people had the right to show to the international world opinion that their country was under occupation and that they were not allowed to move freely and visit their villages and properties, or just see the rest of their country. The right to demonstrate is a world widely acknowledged right. Those people were not armed, even with the most primitive means, so that one could assume or claim that they possessed any immanent danger for anyone’s life.

It is the duty of those claiming to have authority and who are supposed to have received adequate training to face such situations, and I am referring to the TC police and the Turkish army, to take the appropriate measures so that what happened at the end, would not have occurred. Not only they failed to do that, but also they allowed other "civilians" who were prepared with iron bars and sticks, to enter into the buffer zone with the sole aim to clash with them. Furthermore, they themselves (policemen,) participated in the beatings and the actual killing of Isaac.

At least one would have expect the Turkish /TC authorities, even for purely ‘face saving’ reasons, to have arrested and prosecuted those who did not exercise their duties properly and /or those who have participated in the murders.

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Kifeas please come into the real world, demonstrate all you want, burn flags if u want but not in a highly dangerous area called the buffer zone, this is like commiting sucide and asking for trouble, which was the result.
People are highly charged in riot situations and go beyond their normal behaviour patterns add to this the hatred and fear between our communties and the result was witnessed by all, we will never learn.

[Main_Source]

more bollocks excuses from VP.

[MicAtCyp]

Like Mikkie said the killing at the flagpole was done by Kenan Akin (an ex Minister of Denktash) using a precicely targeted pistol aiming exactly to the head of the victim.
The soldier who fired was using a machine gun. Machine guns firing repeatedly spread their bullets around (due to the vibration of the gun at firing) and are never used for precise shots, although there is a possibility that one of the bullets of the soldier also hit the victim on the head.

Now what happened to Kenan Akin?Simply Denktash called him at his office and asked him if he did it.He simply answered "No", and that was all.
The same way Denktash himself answered "No" concerning the murder of the journalist of Chumhurriet newspaper Ahmet Gurkan in 1962.

[Murtaza]

I think we should not protect our murderers. Maybe What they did is with rage, But This dont justify a human life.

Canned I think I maybe do what he did. But It wont change what happened, A human killed. Noone has right for this. But It looks like between greeks and Turks we even protect our murderers.

[MicAtCyp]

The first victim was killed by a mob together with TC policemen. The second victim at the flag pole by Kenan Akin and propably by the soldier who fired with a machine gun.Lets see what the soldier did. First of all he was not a plain soldier he was an officer having been ordered to fire if necessary.So it was clear NOT every soldier was allowed to fire.This officer first fired a blast on the flag pole, then over the heads of the demonstrators and then took cover behind the bushes.This was a clear "military" action.
It was known that the hills behind were full of Turkish tanks and artillery ready to start war.I was there and our military was there too ready to respond. I do remember a GC army officer calling the people to step back saying "now the Army will take over". Fortunately the situation was a chaos and it took the crowd a long time to step back.Otherwise most certainly we would have a war braking out. I remember the young GC soldiers there scared the shit that in a few minutes war would start.....

[garbitsch]

This incident happened and we are sorry, but what's the point to recall it again? Who thinks of Allahverdi Kilic who was murdered by G.Cs while he was waiting at the border? So the G.C act was right, but it was wrong to kill a guy who violated the border and climb to the flagpole. I say, both was wrong, but admiting one and forgetting the other is just a simple hypocracy!