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[magikthrill]

I can understand your position but given the situation a straight forward arrest would have sufficed, keep them in prision for 3 months. The guys weren't even a threat, jeans and top and another guy in his shorts.

yes cause we all know how safe those turkish prison are. the guy was better off dead.

[metecyp]

yes cause we all know how safe those turkish prison are. the guy was better off dead

Where does your expertise come from? Your first-hand experience in a Turkish prison or is it just from watching Midnight Express?

[cannedmoose]

I can understand your position but given the situation a straight forward arrest would have sufficed, keep them in prision for 3 months. The guys weren't even a threat, jeans and top and another guy in his shorts.

I think that the killing there (flag one) was spantenous but your solution of course seems better.

Of course they weren't threat militarily but I dont think that any offence to the flag in such hostile conditions would be serious threat everywhere.

Whilst acknowledging that what occurred in the cases of Isaac and Solomou was murder pure and simple, I think we all have to pose this question to ourselves, thinking particularly of the flagpole incident: Had we been in the position of the Turkish soldiers watching this guy that they'd be taught to fear and hate in equal measure, shinning his way up a flag pole to rip down the flag that you've been taught to revere, what would have been our reaction?

I can't honestly say that if I'd had a soldier's mindset, with an education based on hate and fear that in the same circumstances I would not have fired my weapon rather than see my flag dishonoured. This surprises me because I'm not a violent person, nor am I a hothead in any shape or form. But taking the tense circumstances into account, I would probably have done the same.

It's easy to say they should have arrested him, but in the heat of the moment, what's easier and what's more instinctive? Running up to the fence and dragging him down, or cocking your submachine gun and firing? In an ideal world, the first option always... shame Cyprus isn't in that world.

[magikthrill]

Where does your expertise come from? Your first-hand experience in a Turkish prison or is it just from watching Midnight Express?

im glad you detected my sarcasm

[-mikkie2-]

These people were not killed by Turkish soldiers. Isaac was killed by a mob whilst the TC police were watching and Solomou was killed by a TC politician.

These people were not arrested and in fact the were being encouraged to do these things.

This is just another example of the disgraceful behaviour of certain elements of the TC community and Turks that perpetrated these acts. The people that did this should have been arrested and tried, instead they are left to roam free.

If you want a peaceful society and one that advocates peace and the rule of law then your athorities need to set an example. Instead, the example they set is one of violence and hatred. SHAME ON YOU.

[Nickp]

I can't honestly say that if I'd had a soldier's mindset, with an education based on hate and fear that in the same circumstances I would not have fired my weapon rather than see my flag dishonoured. This surprises me because I'm not a violent person, nor am I a hothead in any shape or form. But taking the tense circumstances into account, I would probably have done the same.

This is ridicolous, you would have done the same? Were not talking about someone charging towards you with a hidden object? He was climbing up a pole. Any civilised reaction would be wait till he come's down and arrest him, simple as that.

If you can imagine the British/American taking similar reactions against Iraqi's taking there flags down there would be an out cry!!!

However, i think were missing one important point here. Like my previous colleague has said, these murders weren't carried out by the Turkish army, one was TC police and a mob. I think the flag pole incident was carried out by some non-infrantry miltary personnel.

I really hope these people are brought to justice as their respective families wont have any peace.

[cannedmoose]

This is ridicolous, you would have done the same? Were not talking about someone charging towards you with a hidden object? He was climbing up a pole. Any civilised reaction would be wait till he come's down and arrest him, simple as that.

If you'd bothered to read my post in full rather than jumping to your own conclusions, you would have seen that I qualified this... of course my reaction as a rational human being would have been to arrest him, not to shoot. Read my last post and you'll see the factors I mentioned that led to the shooting.

[Kifeas]

This is ridicolous, you would have done the same? Were not talking about someone charging towards you with a hidden object? He was climbing up a pole. Any civilised reaction would be wait till he come's down and arrest him, simple as that.

If you'd bothered to read my post in full rather than jumping to your own conclusions, you would have seen that I qualified this... of course my reaction as a rational human being would have been to arrest him, not to shoot. Read my last post and you'll see the factors I mentioned that led to the shooting.

Moose, first of all, he was not shot by any Turkish soldier but instead by Akin, an ex-TRNC minister, originating from Turkey. There are photos showing him aiming and shooting at Solomou. He could very easily shoot him on the legs rather than the head, if he was not a joy killer by "nature." He could have achieved the same result, i.e. to knock him down from the mast before reaching the flag, but would not have killed him. After all, he shot him from a distance of only 15 meters.

[Viewpoint]

the whole situation was crazy, a highly charged riot situation with hundreds of insensed raging greek cypriots entering an area that is very dangerous to normal civilians obviously they were not handing out flowers, what business did he have up the flag pole anyway?

[Kifeas]

the whole situation was crazy, a highly charged riot situation with hundreds of insensed raging greek cypriots entering an area that is very dangerous to normal civilians obviously they were not handing out flowers, what business did he have up the flag pole anyway?

Excuses viewpoint?
He could have been under the influence of drugs. He could have been mentally unstable (crazy if you like.) Do we shoot him dead?

And Isaak's murder? Policemen among civilians (grey wolves) beating a person to death and smashing his head with a rock, while laying on the ground and being caught in the barber wire? What excuse can we have for this one, especially when policemen were involved?